Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 23-29 | Beauty and the Beast
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A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I liked this game better when it only had Señor and Footsy
irfaanator
Banned
ah, well the vid I linked is from capcomfighters anyways
Passive Assassin
Member
spooky said to pack it up.
Tokidoblog never claimed to be Tokido haha. It was always listed as a Tokido fansite.
https://twitter.com/tokidoblog
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Tokido fansite and Japan's fighting games community updates.
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https://twitter.com/tokidoblog
tokidoblog
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Tokido fansite and Japan's fighting games community updates.
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Pretty sure the asia grand finals is an open tournament. Pretty sure thats how the SF25th tournament did it.
Seasoned Badger
Member
No, the tokidoblog on Youtube. Not the website. The website is tokido but not the youtube tokidoblog. If that makes any sense at all.
Edit: nevermind, it's the same person.
This is tokido's real blog: http://tokidoki77.blog138.fc2.com/ though it haven't been updated in awhile so tokidoblog probably does involve Tokido some how.
gotcha, didn't realize you were referring to the youtube channel and not the website.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Rice-Eater
Member
The Asia qualifier for SF25 had 2 player each that qualified from Singapore, HK, South Korea, and Taiwan which made for a 8 man tournament. HK is not mentioned this time around. So that means the AQ only has 6 players, which means someone would get a bye unless they use a different format like round robin. I mean it's only 6 guys for one game, I hope they use round robin or something else besides the usual 2/3 double elim format.
If there's only 3 qualifiers - perhaps the 4th is actually held AT the final qualifier round?
call_kotaku
Member
I don't particularly understand the excitement around character ban tournaments. Doesn't it just mean that top players have to learn an extra team and Doom is effectively softbanned? It doesn't make X low tier that people like into a viable character nor does it stop the ChrisGs of the world from dominating since they aren't totally dependent on certain characters while a lot of mid-tier players absolutely are.
Wat.
Wat.
Last time they let Xzibit design their tournament structure.
Rice-Eater
Member
I edited my post which had some errors and was honestly pretty confusing. I meant HK and not Taiwan. Still, that's 6 players only for the AQ for one game. I hope they don't wrap it up in like 1 hour with the usual format.
Doom isn't always soft banned, you have to know the player to know if banning Doom is even worthwhile.
Example 1: Why the hell would you ban Doom against Justin Wong? His Doom is alright and is not part of his main squads. You are much better off banning Wolverine.
Example 2: Most Zero players do not run Doom and thus you are better off banning Zero.
Another reason why banning is interesting is that banning someone like Doom opens up a bigger portion of the cast. Suddenly Iron Man becomes an extremely good support character because of his ability to perform TAC infinites, his 0 frame DHC/THC and has a great beam assist (essentially the same utility as Doom but Doom did all of this better and came with Missiles). Or people might look towards another beam character like Dr Strange, MODOK etc.
Low ass tier characters will always be shit but when you ban characters like Vergil, Wolverine, Zero, Morrigan, Doom it makes so many characters extremely lethal. Obviously Hsien Ko/Phoenix Wright will always be shit but suddenly Wesker became much better as did Chris, as did Spider Man, X23, Jill and quite a few other Mid tier-ish characters.
ChrisG will always be fucking godlike... he will body everyone with Wesker/Ryu/Hawkeye or a variant of his many other teams. And I don't see a problem with that because he is the best. Obviously this format favors some players over others (like I expect Justin Wong to do really good and FChamp to do really poorly in this format) but that's fine.
As to why people get excited for this format... just look at the MOBA games. They aren't the paragon of balance, even DOTA 2 the most balanced MOBA game is filled with OP/"broke" heroes (Batrider was 100% banned/picked at TI3) but that fact is mitigated by having the draft system. You get to see more strategies in a set of game and a team can't rely on a single team strategy to win, they have to be well rounded. The draft itself is a strategy and games are decided at the draft most of the time. You have to learn more than a single hero per player essentially... most players are adept at 5+ heroes in a particular position.
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
CrazyTank940
Member
Arc System Works pls
https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/382291888297885696
What is still being worked on? WHAT IS IT?
https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/382291888297885696
What is still being worked on? WHAT IS IT?
It's either +R or Chaos Code online
It's not going to become a "thing". They once did an X Factorless, low damage setting tournament... it was extremely fun though. But they never did that format again.
call_kotaku
Member
It depends on how many characters you can ban, and even if you're allowed to ban 7-8 characters I don't see it necessarily "improving" marvel outside of making the draft process interesting. Doom being strictly better than Iron Man in 99% of all the things you'd want him on the team for doesn't mean that if you aren't allowed to pick Doom, that 1% where Iron Man has more utility is going to be realized. It might just be worse-Doom. I suppose there's potential for certain characters (that are unique i.e. not strictly worse versions of a top tier character) to be more viable because they're consistently hamstrung by one/two important matchups, but I think that's a low percentage and it would still be more profitable to learn 3-4 solid high-tier characters so that you have a threat that the opponent can't ban in return.
It rewards flexibility and breadth of character experience, but I don't necessarily see it "fixing" marvel. The ban system in DOTA sets up an interesting pre-match metagame but it hasn't exactly made a large number of the cast very competitively viable, afaik. As far as I can tell, it just means teams have to be able to run a dozen picks instead of just 5.
Not saying that "a thing" is it becoming a rule at tournaments all around, I hope this becomes a thing on their weekly's, trying experimenting with the game, like this no x-factor tourney they did
No one said it "fixes" Marvel... even ShadyK's statement on that tournament was "this is not a statement on how we feel the game should be played".
It's just for fun.
I think you are underestimating why a ban on Doom makes Iron Man better in comparison. A major reason why someone like Sentinel is picked quite a bit still yet IM is a very rare character is simply because Sentinel has a unique assist that no other character has where as IM's best assist is available on Dr Doom but with the added bonus of being a much better defensive assist (as it comes behind). If you ban someone using Dr Doom for their Plasma Beam and TAC infinites, then you either completely destroy their team or if they are smart they will pick Iron Man for the same purposes provided they know how to play the character.
As far as DOTA 2 goes... around 60%-70% of the cast is viable. Around 90 characters were used in TI3... about 40-50 of them were used frequently. That's a pretty damn good number and it's only like the top 5 characters who were messing up the draft because they were featured in every draft (like Batrider, Wisp, OD). Honestly not at all a different situation from what Marvel is... where if you ban 3 characters suddenly the pool of tournament characters essentially doubles.
And yeah it depends on how many bans they have. They are only doing 1 ban per player, I suggested they do at least 2 bans per player and no repeat picking between players. If you want to go the other way.. then go all the way no halfsies.
It's just for fun.
I think you are underestimating why a ban on Doom makes Iron Man better in comparison. A major reason why someone like Sentinel is picked quite a bit still yet IM is a very rare character is simply because Sentinel has a unique assist that no other character has where as IM's best assist is available on Dr Doom but with the added bonus of being a much better defensive assist (as it comes behind). If you ban someone using Dr Doom for their Plasma Beam and TAC infinites, then you either completely destroy their team or if they are smart they will pick Iron Man for the same purposes provided they know how to play the character.
As far as DOTA 2 goes... around 60%-70% of the cast is viable. Around 90 characters were used in TI3... about 40-50 of them were used frequently. That's a pretty damn good number and it's only like the top 5 characters who were messing up the draft because they were featured in every draft (like Batrider, Wisp, OD). Honestly not at all a different situation from what Marvel is... where if you ban 3 characters suddenly the pool of tournament characters essentially doubles.
And yeah it depends on how many bans they have. They are only doing 1 ban per player, I suggested they do at least 2 bans per player and no repeat picking between players. If you want to go the other way.. then go all the way no halfsies.
CrazyTank940
Member
Yeah it's gonna be one of these I think. Hopefully +R since it kinda sucks for me only being able to use some characters on my Vita due to not wanting to get used to using them on the PS3 version with the changes and all.
Ironman leaving them standing and better blockstun is actually a very good incentive to prefer it over doom's beam for certain characters.
The problem is his DHC is ass. That kills assist value quite a bit. I know for sure I'd try Ironman more if I could bring him in safely at times.
Yeah for a support character that is a big problem.
But honestly the fact that Doom's Plasma Beam appears behind the point character is a major reason why that assist is picked so much. It's the best beam assist in the game because of that only really matched by Bolts and only because Bolts is two beams in one!
Damn Doom is so absurd as a support character it's just ridiculous. He gives everything you need... best beam assist, best assist in the game period (Hidden Missiles), safe DHC in, safe DHC out with aerial Photon Array, raw tag combos that do boat loads of damage, godlike post TAC game, great THC game. It's pretty insane no one really figured out this character until he got Foot Dive.
DryEyeRelief
Member
The FGTV thing is just for fun of course, but people should be more open to the idea of different formats in general. It's that narrowminded attitude that enforced 2 out of 3 games for 13 months before everyone realized they could play a longer set.
I'm pretty sure ArcSys isn't involved with the Chaos Code update; to my knowledge that was something FK Digital is trying to work out. I know their English rep. was asking a lot of questions about netcode to some people who would know, and they had submitted an inquiry about GGPO (but don't get that hype train started... please?) The +R stuff makes no sense (from what I can tell) since the patch already has everything needed for the US and EU releases! Whoever runs that Twitter account needs to be slapped around with a trout.
Pretty much yeah... especially for weeklies. Hell, you might find a format that becomes standard in the years to come! (like what happened with 3/5 games)
A lot of people are just deathly afraid of becoming the next Smash community.
No X factor.
No TACs.
Training Stage only.
Lowest damage setting.
I really do not think he is the best beam assist.
Disruptor is better for teleport mix-up characters and sniping other assists due to start-up, Unibeam gives more time for approach and mix-up.
Doom is in-between, but with better DHCs. And easier TACs.
And easier hard tag combos.
Yeah, only Dante comes close in Assist value overall.
I need my +R Baiken already. She got so awesome it makes me sad that I'm still playing AC+ (and that I'm on 360)...
Now I just need to Wonder-eyes Donovan.
DryEyeRelief
Member
I don't get why Valle is opposed to testing the format at TRB when it was WNF that experimented with Playstation All Star rule sets.
And Renegade's (Civil War TO) comments on Patrick Miller's article are stream monster-esque.
And Renegade's (Civil War TO) comments on Patrick Miller's article are stream monster-esque.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I believe the original Curleh Mustache was the first notable event to do all 3/5 for marvel. It caught on as a standard not long after that.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Everytime I see that twitch link, I always think "sandieg of gc" even though it doesn't make any sense and I know its san diego fgc.
That Dude John
Member
Jesus :O
Too bad I don't play any of those characters that let her extend her combos in those ways. My Jill is forever lower tier.
But that slow tag combo almost makes me want Ammy on the squad.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Sadly, not anymore.
support your local scene socal
That won't be the case for everyone. For some people, it'll be about learning the rest of their team.
Besides if you have alt teams for collusion then you can have alt teams for this.
djplaeskool
Member
Oh hey.
I totally forgot I had ordered Phantom Breaker Extra.
Just showed up, along with a 300 Yen Quo card featuring Waka in a school swimsuit
I totally forgot I had ordered Phantom Breaker Extra.
Just showed up, along with a 300 Yen Quo card featuring Waka in a school swimsuit
Rice-Eater
Member
Oops, wrong thread lol.
Canada Cup teams are announced. Only Canada hasn't listed their teams.
Team USA
- EG|Justin Wong
- EG|PR Balrog
- EG|Ricky Ortiz
- AGE|NYChrisG
- coL|Filipino Champ
Team NE ASIA
- Infiltration
- Xiao Hai
- Dakou
- CafeID|Kensouzzan
- CafeID|MadKOF
Team Japan
- MCZ|Tokido
- MCZ|Mago
- Bonchan
- RZR|Fuudo
- Kazunoko
Team USA
- EG|Justin Wong
- EG|PR Balrog
- EG|Ricky Ortiz
- AGE|NYChrisG
- coL|Filipino Champ
Team NE ASIA
- Infiltration
- Xiao Hai
- Dakou
- CafeID|Kensouzzan
- CafeID|MadKOF
Team Japan
- MCZ|Tokido
- MCZ|Mago
- Bonchan
- RZR|Fuudo
- Kazunoko
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I read it in Triforce's voice and it worked out great.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
his power is maximum