Final Fantasy 16 - one of the most boring and uninspired games I have ever played
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DonkeyPunchJr
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Not only do the sidequests suck, they also give you the most useless rewards. Usually it's some crafting materials that you literally have thousands of already and nothing to spend them on.
You can practically see their thought process when they designed this turd.
"It's an RPG, we need some big areas to explore"
"We need give the player some reason to explore, let's dot the landscape with little shiny dots that give you 3 Gil"
"We need some content for the player to consume in these open zones, let's add lots of sidequests"
"We need some rewards for completing quests, let's throw in a totally pointless crafting system so we can have crafting materials for the quest rewards"
"Well shit, we need something to craft. Let's make a bunch of weapons/armor where each one is a tiny stat increase over the previous one, since we never planned for any kind of loot system or strength/weakness tradeoffs"
It totally feels like they just took some action game and then quickly cranked out a bunch of generic MMO filler so they could turn it into an "RPG"
You can practically see their thought process when they designed this turd.
"It's an RPG, we need some big areas to explore"
"We need give the player some reason to explore, let's dot the landscape with little shiny dots that give you 3 Gil"
"We need some content for the player to consume in these open zones, let's add lots of sidequests"
"We need some rewards for completing quests, let's throw in a totally pointless crafting system so we can have crafting materials for the quest rewards"
"Well shit, we need something to craft. Let's make a bunch of weapons/armor where each one is a tiny stat increase over the previous one, since we never planned for any kind of loot system or strength/weakness tradeoffs"
It totally feels like they just took some action game and then quickly cranked out a bunch of generic MMO filler so they could turn it into an "RPG"
GinSama
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I didn't like at all the game, combat was super easy, at begining was so good, but after a few hours it doesn't matter I was just spamming square button , not that its bad but I was just bored with the lack of challenge ... And really bad RPG mechanics
Was expecting some nice exploration of towns and people, after one of the first cutscenes only to be put into a big empty areas that try to give us the illusion of a massive open world where actually doesn't matter just go forward.
Also the story it kept me interest the first few hours and that's it, I personally didn't like the characters at all.
Was expecting some nice exploration of towns and people, after one of the first cutscenes only to be put into a big empty areas that try to give us the illusion of a massive open world where actually doesn't matter just go forward.
Also the story it kept me interest the first few hours and that's it, I personally didn't like the characters at all.
Hudo
Member
Their side game, Stranger of Paradise, is a far better action RPG than FF16, tho.
SkylineRKR
Member
Gameplay, yes. It has tons of different weapons, a party, job system. Its pretty cool having the correct skills and magic at your disposal and nuke your enemies.
It looks hideous though. But okay, its a lower budget game. Square could incorporate this gameplay and equipment system in FFXVI and build a decent adventure around it.
Hudo
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FFXVI-II with those kinds of gameplay systems would be neat.
I didn't really care about them being an RPG, action RPG, action game etc. I just wanted a great story with an interesting world that invited you to explore it, and rewarded you for doing so. They built large and somewhat asthetically interesting worlds in both games, but gave no reason to explore them, no intrigue, no mystery, no loot or pointless loot, incredibly boring characters, and dull side quests, they fleshed them out with various steps and dialogue, but they were so so so so dull. Rebirth in particular was also subject to the worst elements of Ubisoft open world design with incredibly frustrating map design and traversal mechanics. A lot of this was fixable, they build a great world and dropped the ball on so much critical stuff. For loot and exploration they needed some people from Elden ring, and quest design and story telling, I don't know where to start, half the time it felt like it was written by an intern, or programmers had thrown together a questline. People complain about ai not being a great writer or lacking soul, but I done and seen far far more interesting stuff from ai than the slop these supposed professional writers were paid for for these games.
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
I prefer it over XV but yeah, the game is just not it. Good boss fights and that's about it
Minsc
Gold Member
Yeah, just strong disagree then, the gameplay matters a lot to me, and Rebirth at least had a fun party/battle system that leaned into RPG elements, where that was missing entirely in XVI.
Exploring in Rebirth also yielded worthwhile rewards, like the story elements from the Gilgamesh, and also Queen's Blood, which was fantastic, possibly the best side game in a FF to date.
I also loved the end of the game, it felt a lot stronger than Rebirth. Exploring the Temple of the Ancients, the first dungeon that was actually fun and reminded me of a real FF dungeon. Plus getting the dark back stories to each party member at the end was great too.
Definitely felt the second half of Rebirth was super strong, the water chocobo was also fun to fly around with and explore. Where the 2nd half of XVI I was pulling out my hair for.
Never made it to the end, sank in a huge amount of time about 2/3rd through. Then kinda bailed out.
The sad thing was that your right, it did have the best combat/gameplay of them, and most the characters themselves were actually good/interesting and well designed. Some key story beats were good too. It was just everything in between that drained all the life out of it like a vampire.
Valonquar
Member
I feel like if they had intentionally left out the accessories that made combat completely trivial and forced people to learn the controls it would have been a VERY different experience for a lot of folk. Still pretty easy, but not the cakewalk it was for most people that played it.
MetalFreak
Member
I'm like 15 hours in and I'm enjoyed it.
The downside so far is that the side quests are a bit shit but the main story has kept me intrigued.
The downside so far is that the side quests are a bit shit but the main story has kept me intrigued.
Tqaulity
Member
I actually just yesterday finished my 100% completion of this including all 100% of trophies across the main game and both DLCs. For those that have played it, you know that includes 2 full playthroughs (including one on the Final Fantasy difficulty), obtaining every weapon, all marks, all Eikon abilities, all Chronolith challenges, a full Kairos Gate etc. All in all, I've put nearly 200 hours into the game which says it all. I was pretty high on the game from my initial playthrough but the longer I played on my second playthrough, the worst it felt to me. That said, my time for gaming is pretty limited and I don't have much patience to play though many current games that are bloated time sinks. The fact that I even willingly put that much time into this to complete it says A LOT.
The game is extremely flawed with very limited RPG elements and much removed from traditional FF games. The pacing is horribly slow at times, the animations janky throughout, environments felt pretty flat and lifeless, crafting system includes so many wasteful items, and the rewards for exploration and side quests are a joke to say the least. Yet, there is something about the gameplay that hooked me and I thoroughly enjoyed. Overall I give the game a 7/10 at best but I don't regret the time I put into it. That said, I have absolutely zero desire to put anymore time into it. I've had more than my share of FFXVI for a lifetime
The game is extremely flawed with very limited RPG elements and much removed from traditional FF games. The pacing is horribly slow at times, the animations janky throughout, environments felt pretty flat and lifeless, crafting system includes so many wasteful items, and the rewards for exploration and side quests are a joke to say the least. Yet, there is something about the gameplay that hooked me and I thoroughly enjoyed. Overall I give the game a 7/10 at best but I don't regret the time I put into it. That said, I have absolutely zero desire to put anymore time into it. I've had more than my share of FFXVI for a lifetime
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Decided to finish the game by playing it bit by bit over the past couple of weeks. The cutscenes and dialogue scenes are so unnecessarily long in this game. Story sucks. Clive Rosfield is a boring character. Everything about the game is awful. What a waste of my time.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It's a really terrible game. Sorry you had to go through it. I did it all including side quests. Ill never get that time back.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
The worst part is the game would crash so frequently at the end of each level. I would be presented with a black screen at the end of a cutscene.
However the save system in the game is so fucking retarded. It would restart me at the beginning of the boss fight - so I would have to go through a tedious routine all over again.
I gave up after around 25 hours and watched the last 5 hours of cutscenes on youtube. The boring combat, stretched out boss battles and non existent progression system just killed the game for me. I enjoyed in the first half but everyhing just get's so repetitive at some point. Take the boss battles. They were great at first but around Titan I just catched myself thinking "Please let this be the last phase". All in all one of my least favorite mainline FF.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Barnabus fight was the worst. He's got 1 trillion HP and your sword does not do any damage. Bullet sponge enemies = shit tier gameplay design.
Roman Empire
Member
It's a decent Action RPGs (not memorable). But it's a terrible RPG. The fetch quests during the interludes of the main campaign show its MMO devs nature and it's probably the worst aspect of the whole game.
I loved for what it was, but it has no replay value whatsoever.
I loved for what it was, but it has no replay value whatsoever.
Klosshufvud
Member
I am in a similar slog. While the combat has some slight entertaining aspect to it, just mindlessly dumping all spells on a boss in staggered state becomes boring after a while too. The story is dull and too derivative. The sources of inspiration are too apparent and there isn't enough Final Fantasy spirit in here. The lack of playable party characters and RPG mechanics is absolutely baffling. Like Roman says above, the devs' MMO traits are too visible.
Myths
Member
The game is too streamlined. In older FFs, you need to figure out how to progress the game forward and it often wasn't so straightforward either. No level design, puzzles/riddles, or other progressive barriers requiring active engagement. Something as simple as raising a chocobo to overcome some field or dungeon would've been bare minimum; instead, it's only fetch some logs to help repair the bridge. About it…
kiphalfton
Member
Cool story bro, one of my favourite games this gen. A buddy of mine who is a huge Nintendo fanboy recently finished it and said it was the best FF since X and overall spectacular entry in the series. Worth noting we are both old-school gamers who started gaming on the Atari 2600, haters keep hating, Final Fantasy for life
Cool story bro
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Lambogenie
Member
What makes it worse is how Clive's actor wants to be so liked by the masses. Didn't see any his colleagues try to be loved so much. Put me off the guy big time.
Fortress of Regrets
Member
I thought it was pretty OK overall. Not the best thing ever, but I enjoyed my time with it. It's worth it for the boss fights alone, 120 fps + HDR on PC looks insane.
Go_Ly_Dow
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He's an FF fanboy since SNES and PS1 that was pretty chuffed to be the VA for the lead character in a new numbered FF, his fav being FF8. He's a genuine fan, hence why he's always engaging with the community. Friendly guy who I very briefly engaged with at the FF7 Rebirth symphony in London last Autumn.
Lambogenie
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Klosshufvud
Member
That entire Bahamut chapter though
Klosshufvud
Member
I just finished the game. Oh boy what a massive waste of time and slog this was. I can't fathom exactly how the development and creative process went for this game. It's so bad in so many ways. Its lack of ambition is definitely not made up for in general polish or detail. Going from FFXV to this is like going back multiple generations. Just the difference in the chocobo controls and its gameplay is mere one example of how downgraded this game feels compared to XV in almost all aspects. I have no desire to play the DLC. I have no desire to ever revisit Valisthea. I have no desire to ever play something made by these devs again.
The story went to shit after the Bahamut fight. Barnabus just being the typical obedient evil guy and Ultima babbling on forever about his vessel and bla bla bla had me giving the game side eyes like mad. None of this felt of consequence. The game in between its overdone spectacle scenes is basically nothing but repetitive filler. The gameplay has nothing more to present after Bahamut. It's just you getting stronger and enemies getting more spongier. The final boss felt like a satire on JRPG final bosses with special effects so overdone that I felt a seizure attack was coming any moment. Garbage.
The story went to shit after the Bahamut fight. Barnabus just being the typical obedient evil guy and Ultima babbling on forever about his vessel and bla bla bla had me giving the game side eyes like mad. None of this felt of consequence. The game in between its overdone spectacle scenes is basically nothing but repetitive filler. The gameplay has nothing more to present after Bahamut. It's just you getting stronger and enemies getting more spongier. The final boss felt like a satire on JRPG final bosses with special effects so overdone that I felt a seizure attack was coming any moment. Garbage.
jmiller180
Member
Am playing this now, about 2/3 of the way through the main story. While I do enjoy the worldbuilding, I can't deny that the quest structure is very poor compared to similar games. Everyone saying the quests are like those from an MMO are spot on. Unfortunately the main questline suffers from this problem and not just the optional side quests. Having just completed FFVII Remake and Rebirth for the first time earlier this year the issues are glaring - the FFVII games are much more enjoyable IMO. I am looking forward to completing the game so I can see how things unfold though. Plus the music is great.
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