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[ZenTzen]

Luckily the original story still exists. I'd rather have something new that better conforms to the stories written after. Not to say i agree that the compilation changed so much that it was unrecognizable, but made it a lot better.

Aerith runs out of Zack's house crying and is still drawn to even just similarities of a completely different person 5 years on is not the symptoms of a relationship that 'wasn't serious' as Aerith described when Cloud and her met. Even in the same game it was strange, those inconsistencies.

didnt they already state they werent putting any new characters in some interview after e3, they may put something more inline with the compilation here and there, but i dont think it'll be major changes, like plot points from BC, CC, or DoC, like genesis, deepground or the more expanded vincent past

they may address more of those inconsistencies you speak of about aerith and zack and maybe make it more clear that she wasnt just pinning for cloud just because of Zack

if anything, the thing i dont want them most to change is Zacks original death, i already said this but, CC Zacks death was completely stupid to me, i love the to the point and the finality of his death in OG FF7

 

[aly]

Luckily the original story still exists. I'd rather have something new that better conforms to the stories written after. Not to say i agree that the compilation changed so much that it was unrecognizable, but made it a lot better.

Aerith runs out of Zack's house crying and is still drawn to even just similarities of a completely different person 5 years on is not the symptoms of a relationship that 'wasn't serious' as Aerith described when Cloud and her met. Even in the same game it was strange, those inconsistencies.

The Aerith/Zack relationship was so weird to me in the original due to those types of reactions. But not serious also fits in with the portrayal of the relationship in Crises Core, minus the letter stuff. I hope they go with that version honestly.

 

[-Ryn]

didnt they already state they werent putting any new characters in some interview after e3, they may put something more inline with the compilation here and there, but i dont think it'll be major changes, like plot points from BC, CC, or DoC, like genesis, deepground or the more expanded vincent past

they may address more of those inconsistencies you speak of about aerith and zack and maybe make it more clear that she wasnt just pinning for cloud just because of Zack

if anything, the thing i dont want them most to change is Zacks original death, i already said this but, CC Zacks death was completely stupid to me, i love the to the point and the finality of his death in OG FF7

His original death and the death in CC still lined up for the most part. At the end of the battle in CC he dies by the original 3 soldiers in FF7. There was just a major last stand before that.

Though I will say Zack flying up to the heavens with "Why" blaring in the background kind of took away from it. Had they left it at the point when Cloud looked up screaming it would've been fine. Hell you could even still include his dying thoughts.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

His original death and the death in CC still lined up for the most part. At the end of the battle in CC he dies by the original 3 soldiers in FF7. There was just a major last stand before that.

Though I will say Zack flying up to the heavens with "Why" blaring in the background kind of took away from it. Had they left it at the point when Cloud looked up screaming it would've been fine. Hell you could even still include his dying thoughts.

Even in the original game, it's obvious that there was a last stand, with all those rifle and sword slash sounds happening off screen before Zack went back to check on Cloud. I just find it a taaad bit silly that said last stance turned out to be against an army of soldiers and helicopters.

And they better don't have a scene of Celestial Angeal welcoming an ascending Zack. Blaaargh.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

Even in the original game, it's obvious that there was a last stand, with all those rifle and sword slash sounds happening off screen before Zack went back to check on Cloud. I just find it a taaad bit silly that said last stance turned out to be against an army of soldiers and helicopters.

And they better don't have a scene of Celestial Angeal welcoming an ascending Zack. Blaaargh.

You don't like Angel Angeal?

 

[-Ryn]

Even in the original game, it's obvious that there was a last stand, with all those rifle and sword slash sounds happening off screen before Zack went back to check on Cloud. I just find it a taaad bit silly that said last stance turned out to be against dozens of soldiers and helicopters.

Yeeaaaahhh perhaps sending the entire Shinra army and along with some of the air force may have been a bit overkill...

I dig the last stand heroic sacrifice thing it did, but it could've been done better. Especially if it weren't a game (not a dig against games it's just that some mediums can generally do certain types of narrative moments better than others).

 

[ZenTzen]

His original death and the death in CC still lined up for the most part. At the end of the battle in CC he dies by the original 3 soldiers in FF7. There was just a major last stand before that.

Though I will say Zack flying up to the heavens with "Why" blaring in the background kind of took away from it. Had they left it at the point when Cloud looked up screaming it would've been fine. Hell you could even still include his dying thoughts.

thats the thing, the last stand just seemed stupid to me, him fighting against this what can only be described as a full army charge was stupid, in the OG, zack still had a last stand while protecting cloud, the difference is, the grunts got him while he was distracted while checking up on cloud, thats a major difference, thn theres the whole thing on the grunts unloading a full clip on him while hes down and then deeming cloud a non issue, thats other major departures from the depiction present in CC

other than that yeah, the going to the heavens with jpop in the background really took away from it as well, and personally would prefer without the last thoughts, i like that theres no last words, its basically, heres someone who was alive a few seconds ago, no last words, no goodbyes, just the hard truth that a good friend of clouds is now dead, i like that FF7 doesnt overdramatize deaths like other RPGs, its someone dies, then theres the aftermath of said characters death and how the characters deal with it

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

You don't like Angel Angeal?

He's a monster.

 

[Fou-Lu]

With how over the top your characters get in Final Fantasy games, why is it so strange that a SOLDIER First Class backed into a corner needed an army to take him down?

Edit: I guess if we are talking about how Shinra sending an army being silly then it makes sense, but I would have been really disappointed if Zack lost to a couple soldiers after the rest of the game.

 

[Meccanical]

It's kind of hilarious that the same company who went out of it's way to cover up the Nibelheim incident would also mobilize a huge force of thousands of soldiers to kill one person.

Not even some kind of special operations division either, just thousands of regular soldiers, who shouldn't even be privy to information on Hojo's experiments. Also send a shit load of helicopters too. That won't be noticeable at all.

For the life of me I don't understand why Tabata didn't just have what was left of SOLDIER at the time go after Zack if he was so adamant on making him seem like a badass.

At least in the original I could buy them sending a small team to capture one person even if they were just grunts. No more than 20 people should have been assigned to something like that.

With how over the top your characters get in Final Fantasy games, why is it so strange that a SOLDIER First Class backed into a corner needed an army to take him down?

Because SOLDIERs aren't that damn strong.

Not every SOLDIER was Sephiroth, and that's another problem with Crisis Core. It glorified SOLDIER way too much.

You fight First Class SOLDIERs in the original game and they can get rekt like everyone else.

 

[Enthus]

Even in the original game, it's obvious that there was a last stand, with all those rifle and sword slash sounds happening off screen before Zack went back to check on Cloud. I just find it a taaad bit silly that said last stance turned out to be against an army of soldiers and helicopters.

And they better don't have a scene of Celestial Angeal welcoming an ascending Zack. Blaaargh.

That's one of the big problems with the Compilation. They take all these details, character traits, and events and crank them up to a point that just makes the whole thing seem like fanservicey-garbage.

 

[Inuhanyou]

didnt they already state they werent putting any new characters in some interview after e3, they may put something more inline with the compilation here and there, but i dont think it'll be major changes, like plot points from BC, CC, or DoC, like genesis, deepground or the more expanded vincent past

they may address more of those inconsistencies you speak of about aerith and zack and maybe make it more clear that she wasnt just pinning for cloud just because of Zack

if anything, the thing i dont want them most to change is Zacks original death, i already said this but, CC Zacks death was completely stupid to me, i love the to the point and the finality of his death in OG FF7

Well making the remake conform to the compilation doesn't mean adding characters into the plot. Even if they were to include Genesis, it would probably still be a very small cameo to synch everything up.

As for Zack and Aerith's relationship, Crisis core did really expand on Aerith and Zack's relationship while showing more of Tifa and Cloud's relationship(how all tifa did was ask about cloud when Zack and Sephiroth got to Nibelheim, how Cloud was so messed up over not having achieved his promise to Tifa that he actively had to run away when she would show up.)

I think in the FF7 remake, basing it off of that would probably have Nojima include a lot more early references in Aerith's perspective of Cloud as Zack, and show her confusion over her feelings about Cloud. Of course we also have to remember that is dependent on who you put your relationship points into in the original game. I wonder if they will still have those choices or make it a straight story?

The Aerith/Zack relationship was so weird to me in the original due to those types of reactions. But not serious also fits in with the portrayal of the relationship in Crises Core, minus the letter stuff. I hope they go with that version honestly.

I don't think what Crisis core portrayed was "not serious". When she could tell that he was reeling from Angeal's death(even though the specifics were lost) and steadily comforted him, it really wasn't a light dating type of thing. The moments throughout the game that culminated in her essentially realizing that something was off with him enough to pray, and Zack seeing her in his dying moments isn't really hard to confuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6tqreNkNXw

Even more so in AC, where Zack and Aerith are up there together wherever death souls end up in the lifestream. Zack and Aerith were definitely serious.

But i will agree with

His original death and the death in CC still lined up for the most part. At the end of the battle in CC he dies by the original 3 soldiers in FF7. There was just a major last stand before that.

Though I will say Zack flying up to the heavens with "Why" blaring in the background kind of took away from it. Had they left it at the point when Cloud looked up screaming it would've been fine. Hell you could even still include his dying thoughts.

This. My issue with the ending of Crisis core was that the credits really made it too in your face.

Number 1, Cloud should have been the one who picked up the buster sword, and Zack should have been slightly more out of it, mumbling instead of looking like he can still move.

Second it should have ended right after Cloud screamed. Cut to black, the song can still come on but over black credit text. And then you can have the secret aerith ending afterward.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

It's kind of hilarious that the same company who went out of it's way to cover up the Nibelheim incident would also mobilize a huge force of thousands of soldiers to kill one person.

Not even some kind of special operations division either, just thousands of regular soldiers, who shouldn't even be privy to information on Hojo's experiments. Also send a shit load of helicopters too. That won't be noticeable at all.

For the life of me I don't understand why Tabata didn't just have what was left of SOLDIER at the time go after Zack if he was so adamant on making him seem like a badass.

At least in the original I could buy them sending a small team to capture one person even if they were just grunts. No more than 20 people should have been assigned to something like that.

Because SOLDIERs aren't that damn strong.

Not every SOLDIER was Sephiroth, and that's another problem with Crisis Core. It glorified SOLDIER way too much.

You fight First Class SOLDIERs in the original game and they can get rekt like everyone else.

They've should sent Cissnei and Tseng after him to add extra tension.

 

[Inuhanyou]

That's one of the big problems with the Compilation. They take all these details, character traits, and events and crank them up to a point that just makes the whole thing seem like fanservicey-garbage.

I will disagree and say that they made it more fit the world. In regards to FF7, SOLDIER is supposed to essentially be super humans, they showed that with Sephiroth the whole time in the original game. So essentially showing them to be that way doing crazy special moves is par the course. In that case a first class against a bunch of normal soldiers and some heli's is probably unfair as it is.

The main characters of FF7 already beat up any number of giant monster and even Gods that can do any number of feats. So really why would it be so absurd that they can do these feats themselves?

That's what i meant by some of the changes actually fitting the world instead of being contradictions to the fiction.

Nojima wrote all of these stories lets not forget. Tabata, Nomura and Kitase just directed. He's got to have some sort of method to his conclusions.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

other than that yeah, the going to the heavens with jpop in the background really took away from it as well, and personally would prefer without the last thoughts, i like that theres no last words, its basically, heres someone who was alive a few seconds ago, no last words, no goodbyes, just the hard truth that a good friend of clouds is now dead, i like that FF7 doesnt overdramatize deaths like other RPGs, its someone dies, then theres the aftermath of said characters death and how the characters deal with it

It's funny that the most melodramatic death in Final Fantasy VII is Cait Sith's.

But ya, I think I said this in this very thread, even: Zack doing the whole "you're my living legacy" speech made the whole Cloud taking his identity thing too neat and justified. I like how in the original it was all a tragic serendipity.

 

[Meccanical]

They've should sent Cissnei and Tseng after him to add extra tension.

Yeah, considering killing Zack was basically a operation to protect company secrets, it should have been a job given to the Turks.

I understand even the original used regular grunts but even I think they messed that up there.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

August 11th according to Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, page 14.

What the fuck is this shit?!!!!!

FFVII:R confirmed to use the compilation of FFVII now.

FFVII is DEAD to me now. Damn you Nomura!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, you had to go and change his birth date. I don't know what to believe anymore... What hath thee wrought, Nomura and Nojima?!

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

FFVII:R confirmed to use the compilation of FFVII now.

Source?

 

[Meccanical]

He said that because they allegedly changed his birthday.

 

[aly]

I don't think what Crisis core portrayed was "not serious". When she could tell that he was reeling from Angeal's death(even though the specifics were lost) and steadily comforted him, it really wasn't a light dating type of thing. The moments throughout the game that culminated in her essentially realizing that something was off with him enough to pray, and Zack seeing her in his dying moments isn't really hard to confuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6tqreNkNXw

Even more so in AC, where Zack and Aerith are up there together wherever death souls end up in the lifestream. Zack and Aerith were definitely serious.

I guess my feelings about that come from more of a time thing and the speed the relationship was moving. Like it seemed from Angeals death on that they were getting more serious, but he kicked the bucket before. I just don't get why there was the disconnect in the original of her calling it not serious and then crying about it later on. I really do think she moved on from Zack by the time she met Cloud though.

 

[manipulate]

thats the thing, the last stand just seemed stupid to me, him fighting against this what can only be described as a full army charge was stupid, in the OG, zack still had a last stand while protecting cloud, the difference is, the grunts got him while he was distracted while checking up on cloud, thats a major difference, thn theres the whole thing on the grunts unloading a full clip on him while hes down and then deeming cloud a non issue, thats other major departures from the depiction present in CC

other than that yeah, the going to the heavens with jpop in the background really took away from it as well, and personally would prefer without the last thoughts, i like that theres no last words, its basically, heres someone who was alive a few seconds ago, no last words, no goodbyes, just the hard truth that a good friend of clouds is now dead, i like that FF7 doesnt overdramatize deaths like other RPGs, its someone dies, then theres the aftermath of said characters death and how the characters deal with it

The scene in the original was quite brutal and confronting. No hero's death; Zack dies like any other grunt. It was more powerful for it.

 

[ZenTzen]

Well making the remake conform to the compilation doesn't mean adding characters into the plot. Even if they were to include Genesis, it would probably still be a very small cameo to synch everything up.

As for Zack and Aerith's relationship, Crisis core did really expand on Aerith and Zack's relationship while showing more of Tifa and Cloud's relationship(how all tifa did was ask about cloud when Zack and Sephiroth got to Nibelheim, how Cloud was so messed up over not having achieved his promise to Tifa that he actively had to run away when she would show up.)

I think in the FF7 remake, basing it off of that would probably have Nojima include a lot more early references in Aerith's perspective of Cloud as Zack, and show her confusion over her feelings about Cloud. Of course we also have to remember that is dependent on who you put your relationship points into in the original game. I wonder if they will still have those choices or make it a straight story?

I don't think what Crisis core portrayed was "not serious". When she could tell that he was reeling from Angeal's death(even though the specifics were lost) and steadily comforted him, it really wasn't a light dating type of thing. The moments throughout the game that culminated in her essentially realizing that something was off with him enough to pray, and Zack seeing her in his dying moments isn't really hard to confuse.

Even more so in AC, where Zack and Aerith are up there together wherever death souls end up in the lifestream. Zack and Aerith were definitely serious.

Aeriths was confused initially, but she does state thats hes different, and things are different, she knows theres something wrong with him and she states her desire to meet him(as in, the real cloud), and going by other works outside of videogames, its stated and made abundantly clear that her feelings for cloud are of love and not some confusion about Zack and clouds thing

So i would think that nojima and nomura would put a couple of those things for both Aerith and tifa

Either way, yes, CC shows that the relationship between Zack and Aerith was getting serious(despite some of the issues i have with their interactions in CC), but, ultimately she moved on from Zack by FF7 time

And the thing about AC, is that Zack and Aeriths appearance in the movie was all about helping cloud and the connection both of them have with him, not because of some romantic stuff between the two, and if we are to put stuff of the compilation, we have the novels on Aerith in the lifestream stating cloud as the most important person/loved one to her

 

[Meccanical]

Well as far as a young adult relationship goes it was pretty tame.(Understatement of the night)

So yeah in hindsight I guess it would seem "not serious" to anyone.

They never even kissed.

 

[Pagusas]

Well as far as a young adult relationship goes it was pretty tame.(Understatement of the night)

So yeah in hindsight I guess it would seem "not serious" to anyone.

They never even kissed.

Was that ever actually stated or are we just assuming they never kissed or did anything physical? As far as I can recall no one in FF7's univers has ever kissed... Lol. For all we know they reproduce via dry humping

 

[aly]

Was that ever actually stated or are we just assuming they never kissed or did anything physical? As far as I can recall no one in FF7's univers has ever kissed... Lol. For all we know they reproduce via dry humping

Well we know that Cloud and Tifa got busy that one time when it faded to black. Or at least I think that was confirmed.

 

[Meccanical]

Was that ever actually stated or are we just assuming they never kissed or did anything physical? As far as I can recall no one in FF7's univers has ever kissed... Lol. For all we know they reproduce via dry humping

Yuffie kisses Cloud if you somehow end up dating her.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Pagusas]

Well we know that Cloud and Tifa got busy that one time when it faded to black. Or at least I think that was confirmed.

It was suggested but never stated anywhere that I recall. The point I'm making is the games have all seemed to avoid showing any sort of physical relations, only at most ever hinting about it. So I'm not sure it fair to assume A & Z never enjoyed some R&R.

Yuffie kisses Cloud if you somehow end up dating her.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

What!?! I knew you could date barret, I didn't know you could date Yuffie! Just you tuned it, that's hilarious, and clouds reaction is perfect.

 

[Turin]

Well making the remake conform to the compilation doesn't mean adding characters into the plot. Even if they were to include Genesis, it would probably still be a very small cameo to synch everything up.

If Genesis had to be included, even in a small cameo, I'd hope they'd retcon the shit out of him. For starters, not resembling Gackt at all.

 

[Lemondish]

Reposting for new page because goddamit:

Oh lol its Clouds birthday?! I drew this today just cause I was feelin it, but thats good timing I guess

I also made an avatar if anybody would like it

Matt Smith as Cloud.

 

[Meccanical]

They should add a "and then they fucked" caption into the port so we can stop pretending we don't know what they were doing.

 

[aly]

If Genesis had to be included, even in a small cameo, I'd hope they'd retcon the shit out of him. For starters, not resembling Gackt at all.

Maybe they could make him not talk too.

In a better world, Angeal and Genesis would have never existed. Crises Core would've been the merry adventures of Zack and his socially awkward buddy Sephiroth getting through the Wutai war. It they needed a third guy so bad they could've used Tseng or something and we would've been spared the extra one winged angel junk.

 

[-Ryn]

thats the thing, the last stand just seemed stupid to me, him fighting against this what can only be described as a full army charge was stupid, in the OG, zack still had a last stand while protecting cloud, the difference is, the grunts got him while he was distracted while checking up on cloud, thats a major difference, thn theres the whole thing on the grunts unloading a full clip on him while hes down and then deeming cloud a non issue, thats other major departures from the depiction present in CC

I think either one works personally (albeit as I stated in another comment, the ludicrous amount of soldiers and helicopters really could've been toned down).

Because SOLDIERs aren't that damn strong.

Not every SOLDIER was Sephiroth, and that's another problem with Crisis Core. It glorified SOLDIER way too much.

You fight First Class SOLDIERs in the original game and they can get rekt like everyone else.

You don't fight First Class SOLDIER's until much later in the game and even then they can put up a fight despite you being fairly higher at that point.

Crisis Core didn't really change anything and even showed that there were still some members of SOLDIER who weren't quite as effective. SOLDIER is Shinra's most elite force. The best of the best, enhanced to super human levels of strength and efficiency. That's how it was portrayed in the original game as well.

This. My issue with the ending of Crisis core was that the credits really made it too in your face.

Number 1, Cloud should have been the one who picked up the buster sword, and Zack should have been slightly more out of it, mumbling instead of looking like he can still move.

Second it should have ended right after Cloud screamed. Cut to black, the song can still come on but over black credit text. And then you can have the secret aerith ending afterward.

I would've been perfectly happy with this. Especially the bit about Zack being more far gone. Would've really hammered home how far Zack went and how traumatic it was for Cloud.

The scene in the original was quite brutal and confronting. No hero's death; Zack dies like any other grunt. It was more powerful for it.

He still died saving Cloud. I'd call that a heroes death. Though I suppose I'm just nitpicking points.

And the thing about AC, is that Zack and Aeriths appearance in the movie was all about helping cloud and the connection both of them have with him, not because of some romantic stuff between the two, and if we are to put stuff of the compilation, we have the novels on Aerith in the lifestream stating cloud as the most important person/loved one to her

I think it's a mix of both though it's open to interpretation.

Regarding the novels though, if I recall correctly it's debatable as to whether or not those are canon.

Well we know that Cloud and Tifa got busy that one time when it faded to black. Or at least I think that was confirmed.

Yes it was confirmed they not only did the dance with no pants but also ended up together.

 

[ZenTzen]

I think either one works personally (albeit as I stated in another comment, the ludicrous amount of soldiers and helicopters really could've been toned down).

not really, at least for me, but i guess thats a matter of personal taste

I think it's a mix of both though it's open to interpretation.

i really dont think so, that stuff is pretty much straightforward, Aerith and Zack only have a couple lines of dialogue between the 2 and that is pretty much all about cloud

Regarding the novels though, if I recall correctly it's debatable as to whether or not those are canon.

not really, they are pretty much part of the compilation as CC, AC, DoC, etc.

Yes it was confirmed they not only did the dance with no pants but also ended up together.

only in the high affection version, and going by AC, with them having seperate rooms, and then cloud straight up leaving to go live in Aeriths church kinda makes it seem it wasnt that one they went with

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

only in the high affection version, and going by AC, with them having seperate rooms, and then cloud straight up leaving to go live in Aeriths church kinda makes it seem it wasnt that one they went with

Having watched many Japanese movies, it actually makes it seem like that the high affection version was exactly what they went with.

 

[Shadow_Lord]

Year of dreams indeed

 

[-Ryn]

not really, at least for me, but i guess thats a matter of personal taste

That it is. I do think they each have their own strengths in the effect they have though.

i really dont think so, that stuff is pretty much straightforward, Aerith and Zack only have a couple lines of dialogue between the 2 and that is pretty much all about cloud

It's not so much the dialogue between them as it is them being together in the lifestream that you could draw the implication from. Adding that with their previous romantic interest in each other and certain events in FF7 kind of help that interpretation.

not really, they are pretty much part of the compilation as CC, AC, DoC, etc.

From what I understand (I haven't gotten to read it myself yet), the novella in question "Maiden who travels the planet" supposedly has a lot of inconsistencies with the original game and even the compilation itself. It also apparently doesn't portray Aerith very well.

only in the high affection version, and going by AC, with them having seperate rooms, and then cloud straight up leaving to go live in Aeriths church kinda makes it seem it wasnt that one they went with

I could sweat there was an interview that confirmed this but at the very least the Ultimania confirms they did indeed bang under the stars. I don't recall anything about Cloud and Tifa being in separate rooms though. Cloud was gone for quite some time in AC.

Year of dreams indeed

Best E3 ever. Hands down.

 

[ZenTzen]

It's not so much the dialogue between them as it is them being together in the lifestream that you could draw the implication from. Adding that with their previous romantic interest in each other and certain events in FF7 kind of help that interpretation.

not really, and i dont know how anyone can make that assumption when the whole movie, and the scenes that involve either or both of them are all about cloud, and how they help him, that just seems to me people wanting to imply stuff where there is none

From what I understand (I haven't gotten to read it myself yet), the novella in question "Maiden who travels the planet" supposedly has a lot of inconsistencies with the original game and even the compilation itself. It also apparently doesn't portray Aerith very well.

i'm not talking about that one, i'm talking about case of the lifestream white, which is a couple of novellas dealing with different characters, specifically to expand on AC, case of lifestream white deals with Aerith in the lifestream and whats happening there with her, thats where she states how much cloud is important to her, those are part of the compilation

I could sweat there was an interview that confirmed this but at the very least the Ultimania confirms they did indeed bang under the stars. I don't recall anything about Cloud and Tifa being in separate rooms though. Cloud was gone for quite some time in AC..

the ultimanias and interviews only confirm the high affection version of the scene, the seperate rooms thing, is on the ultimanias or novellas, cant remember which

 

[Icyflamez96]

Year of dreams indeed

and the Ratchet and Clank remake

 

[Shadow_Lord]

and the Ratchet and Clank remake

Hey I think I remember you from GFAQS. Icyflamez from PSASBR boards?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Maiden who travels the planet was never stated as being apart of the official canon. It is not listed anywhere outside of its own existence. In the ultimanias it is nowhere on the list of canon novels associated with compilation, whereas OTWTAS is specifically called out as being apart of this grouping.

On top of that, there are far more retcons in that then the other works.

Of course, with the remake coming, all of our speculations here will be moot point, as Nomura and Nojima will clear out anything they intended to show more clearly to the player i'm sure.

 

[-Ryn]

not really, and i dont know how anyone can make that assumption when the whole movie, and the scenes that involve either or both of them are all about cloud, and how they help him, that just seems to me people wanting to imply stuff where there is none

The implication can be drawn from it if you consider their previous relationship. Whether you consider it an actual implication of their relationship or just coincidence due to their mutual relation to Cloud is a matter interpretation.

i'm not talking about that one, i'm talking about case of the lifestream white, which is a couple of novellas dealing with different characters, specifically to expand on AC, case of lifestream white deals with Aerith in the lifestream and whats happening there with her, thats where she states how much cloud is important to her, those are part of the compilation

I'm aware of those but I could've sworn it was the Mwttp that had her rejecting Zack. When you consider her actions in the original FF7 it was apparent that she still had some feelings for him. How far those feelings go is another matter.

I should really go back and read that stuff again to refresh my memory really.

the ultimanias and interviews only confirm the high affection version of the scene, the seperate rooms thing, is on the ultimanias or novellas, cant remember which

The cutscene doesn't play out any differently if you have high affection or not iirc so for all intents and purposes I think it's safe to say they boned. Ultimately they did sail away on that ship regardless of whether they played hide the pickle though

Maiden who travels the planet was never stated as being apart of the official canon. It is not listed anywhere outside of its own existence. In the ultimanias it is nowhere on the list of canon novels associated with compilation, whereas OTWTAS is specifically called out as being apart of this grouping.

On top of that, there are far more retcons in that then the other works.

Of course, with the remake coming, all of our speculations here will be moot point, as Nomura and Nojima will clear out anything they intended to show more clearly to the player i'm sure.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I really am looking forward to seeing what they do with the story and the bits of inconsistencies. I thought the explanation for the difference in Crisis Core was pretty well done. With Clouds recollection being skewed by his hatred of Sepiroth, thus making Sepiroth more sinister looking in the flaming Nibelheim scene for example.

 

[Wazzy]

MOTP is canon. It was supervised by SE when it was being made and is mentioned in one of the Ultimania's.

Last Order is the one that isn't canon.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Hey I think I remember you from GFAQS. Icyflamez from PSASBR boards?

Yup that's me.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

MOTP is canon. It was supervised by SE when it was being made and is mentioned in one of the Ultimania's.

Last Order is the one that isn't canon.

Well, Last Order was also supervised by SE when it was being made and is listed in not even one but three Ultimania.

The main difference between them is Last Order was eventually explicitly described as a work outside of the continuity while MOTP is only weirdly omitted in the lists of canon novels. Thus the argument surrounding whether it's canon or not would continue forevermore.

On a side note, this made me realize how fun would the debate about the canonity of Remake versus Original be. (not really)

 

[Wazzy]

Well, Last Order was also supervised by SE when it was being made and is listed in not even one but three Ultimania.

The main difference between them is Last Order was eventually explicitly described as a work outside of the continuity while MOTP is only weirdly omitted in the lists of canon novels. Thus the argument surrounding whether it's canon or not would continue forevermore.

On a side note, this made me realized how fun would the debate about the canonity of Remake versus Original be. (not really)

Yes LO has been acknowledged but like you said, it's been acknowledged as not canon. MOTP has been addressed in an official ultimania with no mention of not being canon. It's canon even if people don't want it to be.

 

[-Ryn]

Well, Last Order was also supervised by SE when it was being made and is listed in not even one but three Ultimania.

The main difference between them is Last Order was eventually explicitly described as a work outside of the continuity while MOTP is only weirdly omitted in the lists of canon novels. Thus the argument surrounding whether it's canon or not would continue forevermore.

On a side note, this made me realized how fun would the debate about the canonity of Remake versus Original be. (not really)

Sweet bishounen jesus

The nerdrage. The derailings. Countless pages lost to the war of the canons.

Spoiler

Yes pls

Yes LO has been acknowledged but like you said, it's been acknowledged as not canon. MOTP has been addressed in an official ultimania with no mention of not being canon. It's canon even if people don't want it to be.

Maybe they figured it was so bad that they didn't need to point it out

Spoiler

 

[Wazzy]

Sweet bishounen jesus

The nerdrage. The derailings. Countless pages lost to the war of the canons.

Spoiler

Yes pls

Maybe they figured it was so bad that they didn't need to point it out

Spoiler

I like MOTP. I think it's one of the most accurate character representations regarding the compilation.

I think it properly deals with Zack and Aeris unlike CC which I'm fine with being young love but god it's horribly done.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Yes LO has been acknowledged but like you said, it's been acknowledged as not canon. MOTP has been addressed in an official ultimania with no mention of not being canon. It's canon even if people don't want it to be.

Last Order has been addressed in two official Ultimania with no mention of not being canon, too. All I'm saying is "it's never mentioned as not being canon" is a defense just as strong as "it's never mentioned as being canon". Until SE explicitly says either way like they did Last Order, people would always argue about this.

I have no strong feelings either way about it, by the way, and I like MOTP too.

 

[Enthus]

Cloud's birthday is the 19th of August. When did it change? The hell?

Such bullshit. I shared a birthday with Cloud Strife until they changed it.

 

[Wazzy]

Last Order has been addressed in two official Ultimania with no mention of not being canon, too. All I'm saying is "it's never mentioned as not being canon" is a defense just as strong as "it's never mentioned as being canon". Until SE explicitly says either way like they did Last Order, people would always argue about this.

I have no strong feelings either way about it, by the way, and I like MOTP too.

No LO has been addressed as not canon multiple times. It didn't even need to be addressed since it's so obvious it's not but it was so there's that.