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Final Fantasy: Record Keeper |OT3| When having no onions makes you cry
- Thread starter CuthbertAllgoodz
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Well... that sucks. Why, oh why did I waste so many motes on people who didn't need it.
I wasted or used with out a plan for he first week or so but then I looked at my A-Team and a few second stringers and only ever boosted someone else if the top tier had no use for them.
Golem attempts failed. Get him to 25-33% out of 3 tries so far but I only have one magic wind Burst and it is doing enough at the moment. I may go back and try Zidane or Fang but Zack was pretty much a waste with CSB only.
I may also go back and kill Fenrir some for the magicites and the pleasure of killing him after he gave me so much trouble.
Did 2 rolls earlier hoping to get Bartz's USB and was very pleasantly surprised.
1- Faris USB (2!), Galuf's SSB (2), and Faris SSB
2- Bartz USB
It's crazy how lucky I get with Bartz's relics, I have the most of his than any other character's. All I'm missing from him is his first SB and his 2 new BSBs. Anyways, getting the USB has got me motivated to get off my ass and start doing torments (I had only done the first one in the past with the 3 stooges). I completely mowed down Geosgaeno with a fully dived Bartz. He was doing 60k with each Engulfing Twinstrike, double that when his dual cast LM procced. And then his chaser would do 8k per hit afterwards! Welcome back to the team Bartz.
Now we'll see if I feel like doing the Nightmare dungeons. I've only done 2 and really should get them done for the new magicite dungeons....
1- Faris USB (2!), Galuf's SSB (2), and Faris SSB
2- Bartz USB
It's crazy how lucky I get with Bartz's relics, I have the most of his than any other character's. All I'm missing from him is his first SB and his 2 new BSBs. Anyways, getting the USB has got me motivated to get off my ass and start doing torments (I had only done the first one in the past with the 3 stooges). I completely mowed down Geosgaeno with a fully dived Bartz. He was doing 60k with each Engulfing Twinstrike, double that when his dual cast LM procced. And then his chaser would do 8k per hit afterwards! Welcome back to the team Bartz.
Now we'll see if I feel like doing the Nightmare dungeons. I've only done 2 and really should get them done for the new magicite dungeons....
ErasureAcer
Banned
I'm still stuck at 2 done. Maybe tomorrow I'll try Golem, can't beat the other 3.
Random Painted HIghway
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Bartz usb mastery gives +10 atk AND +5 spd???? Woah, not that spd is that useful a stat... any other +15 masteries?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Spending 120 stamina to get 3k greens to be half way to buying 100 stamina doesn't seem like a good trade though. lol
I believe it's just a reference to the fact that the Chicken Knife gives +5 speed in FFV rather than a harbinger of change to mastery bonuses generally.
Fenrir was by far my hardest. I haven't beat Golem yet, but I can already tell he won't be as much of a roadblock.
I beat Bismarck on the first day. Mostly because Ashe and Rapha BSB's do all the damage AND heal the group, so was nice.
For Sealion, I got him on day 2 after 2-3 tries. I had Thancred BSB and Vivi BSB. It rewally was all Vivi though. I just stacked the mag buffs and kept him en-fired and bsb'ing the entire time. He also had Meltdown and Chain Fire.
Flame was hard, but Tidus BSB/CSB combination worked with Ramza buffs. For Hydra, I got him on the second try. He was surprisingly easy. As I posted before, it was all Tifa.
Fenrir was a beast, and well we discussed Golem.
Which have you done, and why were certain one's easy for you, as in who was your MVP?
Random Painted HIghway
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Random Painted HIghway
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Oh cool. 😄
Edit to not triple post:
Just realized that after I finish augmenting the faris bow, I have at 6+, I can legend dive paladin Cecil and run him back row at the soft cap after shout. I have his USB, so he will be extra deadly. Any body legend dive him yet? I'm curious how his cover materia works with Gaia cross. Does Gaia cross cover all the cover attacks and cover only moderately take allies hits? Hmm food for thought, could be a fun build.
Edit 2
Faris if I legend dive her (USB and lmr), is going to end up close to the soft cap with shout as well. And vaans USB and bans do not conflict with her USB either from what I can tell. Pair those two with cloud (osb and bsb2) and zack (csb) and a healer and we will be doing some crazy levels of damage and damage reduction. Woah. Need more five star motes now, want to try this out on golem asap.
Finished Golem.
Same strategy really as the other for me. Focus on one particular magic relic and make sure that person stays fullly buffed and enElement at all times.
So for this fight it was Alphi and Air BSB. Tried an Aetherflow to Meltdown strategy but didn't work as well. Also for some reason I still did not have high enough magic for Tiamat to cast 3 times.
So all done. All mastered, now to get sub 1 min clears on all.
With Penelope bsb, Rapha bsb, and OK bsb, he was doing 4400x8 on entry, wind blade was doing about 17k a turn.
Same strategy really as the other for me. Focus on one particular magic relic and make sure that person stays fullly buffed and enElement at all times.
So for this fight it was Alphi and Air BSB. Tried an Aetherflow to Meltdown strategy but didn't work as well. Also for some reason I still did not have high enough magic for Tiamat to cast 3 times.
So all done. All mastered, now to get sub 1 min clears on all.
With Penelope bsb, Rapha bsb, and OK bsb, he was doing 4400x8 on entry, wind blade was doing about 17k a turn.
ErasureAcer
Banned
I have Tifa BSB and at 99! and couldnt beat that dude.
I've beaten Ice and Wind. I'll try Golem today but if I lose it's back to Fenrir.
Should be able to beat Flame as I have good flame resist but besides Strago, Water, like Wind is a poor spot on my team dealing damage.
Bismarck and Hydra light me up. Think I gotta work Vaan into either team. I in theory should be able to beat Bis...probably overloading ATK where I need a Vaan instead.
Almost got my USB Curilla to 99...so I guess I could beat Flame in 4 plus minutes.
She's been in my Fenrir runs. Shield is awesome. Just had my best go of that at 0:50:xx the other day. So I really should be able to beat just about all of them but still can't.
MVP is OK. Best source of haste I have. Also have 80 Edge and 80 Serah who is also in my Fenrir team for the haste.
Then I have Garnet 99 for haste as well plus RES.
I'll try Bis again. I really should be able to pull it off.
Do you have radiant shield? I brought that along for the buff and damage in every single Magicite Win, except for Golem, where he did Air BSB the entire time.
Tifa, I'm still convinced everybody with a Tifa can beat him (lol).
I think I had Tifa, with Ramza being a Ninja and Wrathing? I don't remember if he wraths, if not was Phantasm and LifeSiphon. But once Shout plus Ramza USB plus Lenna USB plus 610 from Alphi, it is good night. I always bring Relm for healing bsb. I think my win had Cid instead of Lenna, but we had a whole discussion on Imperil, he really wasn't doing much, I don't think I brought Lenna in the Win, but her ATK buff would have stacked as well.
It looks like too much healing, but really it's about the buffs, the healing is just bonus. For DPS it's all Tifa, Radiant Shield, and sometimes if he is full on SB-meter, Ramza can do something.
Do you have most or all of those toys?
For haste, the only fight I made sure to bring it was Golem because I needed the 610 buff from OK anyway since Alphi BSB'ing. It would have been useful in my Fenrir runs, but I couldn't fit a hastega in, would have been nice to get rid of the slow though.
Now that I've cleared them all, I have 0 stones, but no sub-1min clears. My times ranged from 1:02 (Bismark) to 1:47 (Flame). I think first focus is get Bismark sub 1min mostly just due to the magicite leveling up. We'll see in about 20 mins.
Shout + Ramza usb + Alphi 610 already puts you way above the atk softcap, and probably at the buff cap. I'm pretty sure Cid's imperil will benefit you there more than Lenna usb, but by all means test it and let us know.
Wait, are you telling me you did all these Magicites except Golem WITHOUT HASTE?!
On the buffs, you might be right, I really should spend more time doing the math portion of the pre-setup.
As for the haste, it wasn't by choice necessarily, but my best two sources of haste is Ramza (could not always fit him fights when using my "Buff the Magic BSB'er" strategy) and OK's 610 which was always covered by Alphi leaving Oknight to only be a healer or Ninja, since the buff goes to waste. I usually had a different buff stacked in (Ramza or Lenna USB) or another dps'er that would do more than Ninja Onion.
But this is why my times are all over a minute.
I'm working on my sub-1min Bismarck at the moment, I think I'll have it here next fight.
Edit: I've also considered Breaking Braska tomorrow night when we get our MC3 since I have his Group Magic Haste SSB. Unsure though that it is worth a slot.
Edit2:
Alright, Bismarck mastered again, this time at :57.
Setup was:
Relm - Arise/Curada - Last Stand BSB (Fully Dived) - Mogs Teachings
Lenna - Shellga/Ultra Cure - USB Buffs - Gathering Storm
Alphinaud - Protectga/Curaja - 610/Radiant Shield - Mako Might
<Team DPS>
Rapha - Curaga/Phantasm - BSB(mag Buff) - Do much more lightning dmg
Ashe - Chain Lightning/Thundaja - BSB - Scholars Boon
Basically the top 3 just covered all buffs and heals.
For Rapha, she was spec'ed for magic, and she never did use Curaga, I could have put Sudden Thunder there, but it didn't matter. Phantasm was doing 5700 a hit, and it was just to build up the Gauge the first time, after that she stayed in BSB mode. Her BSB, for those who don't know, is 4 strikes of Lightning (was doing 4300x4) and a decent heal to an ally. Also Buffs party magic.
Ashe is the MVP everytime here. I never used Thundaja since her CMD1 does more than Chain Lightning, I just built up her meter with Chain Lightning. She was the best mag spec'ed player. I don't remember what she did on 2nd BSB Entry once she was enLightning, but it is a good portion, I think 6-7k a hit x??.
Her cmd 1, when fully buffed, was doing 7900-8100 x4. That's 32k with a heal to herself! Was nice. She stayed EnLightning and BSB mode entire fight.
The mag buffs were Lenna USB, Rapha BSB, and 610 from Alphi.
I don't think :57 is that good at all, but for those having trouble, I still wrote out what worked. Next Sub 1min target will be Sealion tomorrow.
Firstly, Braska's faithga ssb does not give haste, unless he has another ssb i'm not aware of.
Secondly, haste is by far the most important buff, no wonder you've been struggling so much! I think you should try swapping Alphi for Onion, Radiant Shield is nice but not as important as haste IMO.
Also, on the buffs for fighting Hydra, i checked the math and i was right, the 3 atk buffs you already have put you at the buff softcap and way above the atk softcap. In fact when you throw in burst mode Tifa is above the buff softcap even. Imperil should definitely serve you better there than another atk buff.
Heading to the vet with my animals, but just saw this. I'll try one with OK instead of Alphi.
I'm referring to Braska's Summoner's Dream SSB. I may remember it wrong, I didn't just go check or anything.
Edit: I looked while sitting in this Vet waiting room. It says buff party magic and reduce all allies offensive magic casting time for 3 turns. No idea by how much.
Edit2: btw Xeth are you using good old fashioned math with pen and paper or do you have a good buff calculator set made exactly for FFRK with the caps built in? I know that one website that shows you how much damage you will do to certain bosses but I don't remember if it had a good calc on it.
Yeah, Summoner's Dream doesn't give haste, it's faithga + quickcast 3 + hi regen. Quickcast 3 is nice but not as important as haste.
For the math, i just had to check what the caps were, because i didn't remember off the top of my head. I used this to look them up.
Another way to write buff percentages is: +50% = 1.5. Buffs stack multiplicatively, so combining them goes like this: 1.5 x 1.3 x 1.3 = 2.535. 2.535 = +153.5%. So those 3 buffs alone get you over the softcap. Burst mode takes it even higher, as it applies another +20%.
There's also the atk softcap of 805. Once you're above that value, any 30% buff applied only increases damage by about 10%, and that becomes even less if you're over the buff softcap.
Imperil will be much more effective than stacking a 4th stat buff.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Once Bartz masters his USB I'm looking forward to giving Liquid Flame another try. 
And I beat the last magicite dungeon!. The lightning one... Only Earth SB I have is Tifa's BSB. Tactic was 2 Entrustbots (Ramza/Minfilia) and all I did was using Meteor Crush on Tifa and then entrust everything to her and spam the BSB over and over again because fuck the cmds... 4*3k is nothing. Instead I got 8-hits a 5k. Of course Rosa's USB was still OP as fuck. (Again my advice: pull for it next week!!!) Last spot was Rikku with her USB for Haste, ProShellga and another 30% ATK boost. Powerchain with her is pretty nice. Especially if you know that you can get a full SB bar next turn. Time was a little bit over 1 minute.
Guess I'll try to farm Fenrir for Enkidu.
Funny thing my core for every fight was Rosa, Rikku and Ramza.
Guess I'll try to farm Fenrir for Enkidu.
Funny thing my core for every fight was Rosa, Rikku and Ramza.
ErasureAcer
Banned
Mastered Liquid Flame in 1:25:26.
3 more to go!
Tidus OSB
Curilla USB
Strago BSB
Garnet SSB Haste-RES
Relm BSB
Rank 50 Enkidu was main magi. Saved my ass on last cast too as low on HP across boars and someone paralyzed. Yay esuna.
Bit RNG dependent in the beginning.
3 more to go!
Tidus OSB
Curilla USB
Strago BSB
Garnet SSB Haste-RES
Relm BSB
Rank 50 Enkidu was main magi. Saved my ass on last cast too as low on HP across boars and someone paralyzed. Yay esuna.
Bit RNG dependent in the beginning.
Ya, I had pretty much the same core for every fight, and it was different than my usual A-Team since I couldn't find a place for Vaan and Firion. These magicite dungeons seem to be more about Buffs than usual. I guess because debuffers are limited here.
If I run two healers on most fights, it's a backup healer being Tyro-Wall or Alphi-Radiant shield, but for these fights, I often ran Penelo or Lenna to compliment Relm.
Wish I had the OP Y'shtola setup.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
My core for pretty much every Magicite fight has been Rikku (USB), Yuna (BSB2), and Y'shtola (BSB). The extra MAG/RES buff from Yuna's entry makes a huge difference in mages' damage output. Two healers is really slowing me down though, especially with Y'sh's bubbles slowing SB build. Speed clearing is something to worry about later though, right now I'm happy just to survive.
I've NEVER run a two healer setup outside of Magicite, and Advent Madness Sephiroth.
ErasureAcer
Banned
VIII, XIII and Tactics LD this week.
I have 20/100(108??). 10 of those being from FFVIII.
I have 20/100(108??). 10 of those being from FFVIII.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
68/108. But I see a chance at Lightning's USB, I pull.
Wow man.
22/108 for me.
Here's the link for those that don't want to have to google.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/6xpnq6/du_36_lucky_draw_relic_list/
If I had Ramza's USB, I would have been able to do Red Dragon D300 in 9 seconds (Magicite takes 10 secs to charge).
Have to settle with 11-12 secs right now.
I should've pulled harder on Ramza stuff. Most of his SBs are so good for speed meta.
Have to settle with 11-12 secs right now.
I should've pulled harder on Ramza stuff. Most of his SBs are so good for speed meta.
Starwolf_UK
Member
I'm on about 30/108....welp. But it has the claws, Squall BSB2 and lots of other goodies...along with lots of dupes and/or obsoletes.
Also on reddit someone managed to beat liquid flame with a time of 4 minutes. Others have also managed to pull it off. I'm pleased extreme turtling can work...at least for one magicite.
Finally, have the weekly magicite missions screwed up for anyone else. I have to complete 6 magicite dungeons between 09/09 23:59 and 09/10 07:59. I'll take the apology mythril TYVM.
Also on reddit someone managed to beat liquid flame with a time of 4 minutes. Others have also managed to pull it off. I'm pleased extreme turtling can work...at least for one magicite.
Finally, have the weekly magicite missions screwed up for anyone else. I have to complete 6 magicite dungeons between 09/09 23:59 and 09/10 07:59. I'll take the apology mythril TYVM.
I hate that I have to wait for stone timer!
I mean, I like how it kind makes it special and somewhat keeps people on an even playing field, but the magicite dungeons really brought some fun back to what had lately become a snorefest until Sunday battles and Sunday Raids.
Edit: Well in the meantime, with Sunday bonus, I'm going to have some level 99 magicite. That should be interesting to test out.
I mean, I like how it kind makes it special and somewhat keeps people on an even playing field, but the magicite dungeons really brought some fun back to what had lately become a snorefest until Sunday battles and Sunday Raids.
Edit: Well in the meantime, with Sunday bonus, I'm going to have some level 99 magicite. That should be interesting to test out.
ErasureAcer
Banned
After beating LF yesterday, I'm moving backwards through the grid. Somehow managed to beat Bis today.
Quite certain he never imperiled. That, plus Vaan, was a big help.
Curilla USB
Kain BSB
Garnet SSB Haste-RES
Vaan BSB
Relm BSB
Curilla at 99 now and paired with a haster seems to be replacing OK.
Oh yeah, I won under a minute too.
Quite certain he never imperiled. That, plus Vaan, was a big help.
Curilla USB
Kain BSB
Garnet SSB Haste-RES
Vaan BSB
Relm BSB
Curilla at 99 now and paired with a haster seems to be replacing OK.
Oh yeah, I won under a minute too.
Doing my fight for the day. Current Best time for Sea Lion is 1:06. Switching out Alphi for OK instead per Xeth's theory.
Also all magicite is leveled to their caps, so that's a boon as well.
We'll see how it goes!
Edit: Ok well, switching OK in and Alphinaud didn't really make much of a difference. I got 1:02 this time, and I have leveled up my materia quite a bit since the last time being a 1:06.
I was using Relm, Lenna, OKnight, Thancred, and Vivi
Also all magicite is leveled to their caps, so that's a boon as well.
We'll see how it goes!
Edit: Ok well, switching OK in and Alphinaud didn't really make much of a difference. I got 1:02 this time, and I have leveled up my materia quite a bit since the last time being a 1:06.
I was using Relm, Lenna, OKnight, Thancred, and Vivi
Random Painted HIghway
Member
9 magicite a week is not enough to feed the farming need. Is jp still on 9 a week?
Well I got Mom Bomb to 99 already, so I guess it makes sense to farm another boss. I figure it makes sense to farm a boss until I get a 99 of something so I don't have any wasted drops while leveling up magicites.
It really 100% depends on what you have. I did 3 of them with no elemental SB's because I lacked so much gear for them. I honestly think Golem is the easiest if you can afford the hones for it.
It really 100% depends on what you have. I did 3 of them with no elemental SB's because I lacked so much gear for them. I honestly think Golem is the easiest if you can afford the hones for it.
Like he said, it depends but..
It seemed like everybody was doing Bismarck and Sealion for the first few days. Course that could of just meant they had Lightning and Fire relics.
Understood what you guys meant, I do have TGC OSB and Terra/Krile OSB, is it better to go with Wrath - Entrust route?
That is a viable strategy, some here have used it.
I only have 3 OSB, a Fire/Dark, Holy, and Physical.
So what I, and some of the others are doing is stacking buffs and taking 1-man armies or two-man destroyers, while the other 3 provide heals, supports, buffs, or whatever is needed.
With TGC, he can solo Bismarck with 2 entrust bots. You can probably do the same with Terra and Krile, I just know from experience TGC can definitely solo.
AdawgDaFAB
Member
What's your Bismarck strat / team build? Don't have any Thunder Boost gear for TGC, unfortunately. Usually he is on a Holy team rocking his 6*+ OSB Sword w/ Basch's Shield and Imperil Holy BSB Beatrix. Just used that to melt the XI Apoc, actually.
Support Units: BSB/DT Alphi, Shout Ramza, BSB Onion, BSB/Wall Tyro, BSB Fran, BSB Lion, Dual SSB Barret
Healers: BSB Vanille, USB/LM Relm, USB/BSB Aerith, BSB2 Yuna
Other Lightning peeps: EnLightning BSB Ashe and Imperil Lightning BSB Laguna
I had TGC with 1 piece of lightning boosting armor and whatever my strongest weapon is, probably just his weapon actually which has 198 attack. Ramza with Shout full LD'd alternating between that and Entrust. Red XIII with his USB and his extended duration LM doing the same as Ramza. The other 2 slots were healers, Y'shtola and Relm with their BSB's. TGC did 62k per OSB and it was basically spammed in under 60 seconds.
You could definitely do it with TGC as the sole DPS, Ramza and OK Entrusting with 2 healers. You could try with Lightning and replace a healer for a faster clear for sure. I think with those relics you are good to go for sure.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Ashe BSB + Yuna BSB2 is the way to go against Bismarck.
Hours Left
Member
All Magicite dungeons cleared. Golem is only an Expert clear, but with a few tweaks I think I can eek out a Mastery.
PSA: Don't sleep on Ninja magic.
PSA: Don't sleep on Ninja magic.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
So I decided to treat myself to a couple of gem pulls since FF5 is one of my favorites in the series, even though I already had 5/11 on Banner 2. Most desired items were Exdeth USB and Faris BSB.
4/22, amazingly no dupes, and the items were Galuf BSB, Galuf LMR, Exdeth LMR, and Gogo SSB. I now own everything on the banner except my two most desired prizes lol.
4/22, amazingly no dupes, and the items were Galuf BSB, Galuf LMR, Exdeth LMR, and Gogo SSB. I now own everything on the banner except my two most desired prizes lol.
Random Painted HIghway
Member
that feeling when you take out the jumpstart only to realize that it was reduce defense not resistance. oops.