Mr Hyde
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I'm not confused at all. I know SE has made big changes to the game and story, but it's still very much a remake of an existing game, waiting for more parts to arrive, so that said story can be complete. It's not rocket science.
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I'm not confused at all. I know SE has made big changes to the game and story, but it's still very much a remake of an existing game, waiting for more parts to arrive, so that said story can be complete. It's not rocket science.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I'm going to play it once I finish Crisis Core lol
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
No.
Mass Effect 2, yes. That had a story that was part of a bigger arc, deeply connected with 3. I would compare it to Lord of the Rings. You wouldn't say Two Towers is a complete movie/novel just because it had a beginning and an end?
God of War, no. It's a self contained story that holds it's own, whose storyarc is being continued in a sequel.
Half-Life I haven't played, so can't say much about that.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I'd argue (for the sake of discussion, I'll play it if it takes ten months or ten years) that the development time will be helped along by the fact that not only do they already have character models for like twenty or so recurring characters/enemies/bosses, but more to the point they've already got the meat of the gameplay loop down. Equipment, menus, materia, weapon upgrades, sidequests and most importantly the battle system probably took a HUGE amount of time to iron out. While I also understand that that means they'll need to come up with gameplay variations for (presumably) at least Red XIII, Yuffie and Cait Sith, having the basic framework in place *should* affect development time a bit, I'd hope.
Ixion
Member
So that means you have to wait for the entire trilogy to be completed before you can watch it? If Fellowship of the Ring came out today, you wouldn't buy a ticket to see a 2.5 hour masterpiece of a film because it's just 1/3 of the full story? Do you I guess.
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Mr Hyde
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No, I watched every LotR-movie by itself when it ran on cinema. It's just in this particular case with FF 7 that I want the full experience. It's a very precious game for me with a lot of memories attached, so I don't want a chopped up game where I have to wait 2-3 years for the next installment.
Why does it trigger you so much that I'm waiting for all parts to be released?
Ixion
Member
You said "No it's not" to the statement that it's a full game. It is a full game. It's just not the original Final Fantasy 7 game. Then you compared it to the LOTR installments, but now you're admitting you watched those as they came out which goes against your point. So as I've mentioned, you just want to wait for the whole series to be completed for certain special/personal reasons. And that's completely fine. But that doesn't mean this first installment isn't a full game.
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Mr Hyde
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I compared LotR to Mass Effect 2 & 3. Also, admitting? Since when have I hid the fact that I didn't watch those movies one by one? Just because I have that stance on FF 7 doesn't mean I have to have it on everything. You're just making shit up and putting words in my mouth. Don't do that.
It's not a full game. Where's Junon? Cosmo canyon? Gold Saucer? Cid, Cait Sith, Yuffie? Weapons? The Ancients? Not in this first installment I'd take it.
Ixion
Member
So then Fellowship of the Ring isn't a full movie. Where's Fangorn? Helm's Deep? Faramir? The War of the Ring? Not in the first installment I'd take it. Why did you pay to see only part of a movie?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You both have different definitions of what a "full game" is, which is why you're talking past each other. Just a piece of advice - if you wait for all parts to be released you're looking at around 100 hours of playthrough just to get through the whole thing and that's if you're rushing. I'm not sure how doable that is in one sitting.
eyesabitdull
Banned
This.
Probably the only reason why I haven't jumped onto buying the game even though it's a childhood dream come true sort of event.
I want it badly, but I also want it at it's best.
So definitely waiting for the PC version next year.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
No, it's not. Which was the fucking point I was trying to make, until you started tripping all over yourself trying to prove it is. But thanks for proving my point, I guess.
Why would I want to complete it in one sitting? I have no problems with 100-hour games if the quality match the content, which I believe this game will do.
Lethal01
Member
I'm actually hopeful there, moving from one version of Unreal to another is many time more useful than it used to be. If they need to support the newer consoles then they are likely to opt to just move to the latest version of Unreal 4 and if they are doing that then there is a fair chance they just decide to go to Unreal 5.
Lethal01
Member
They probably misread what you said due to just how crazy it sounds.
I guess God of War 2018 isn't a complete game either. After all Where is the fight with far? The scene where atreus kills Kratos, etc? having a portion of the story does not make something an incomplete piece of media. It's an incomplete adaption but a totally full game.
Ixion
Member
Of course it's a "full movie". I was just going by your broken logic. It's pretty simple: there is a difference between a "full game" or "full movie" VS a "full story arc". You're referring to the latter but calling it the former.
And I don't care what you do. The reason I'm clarifying this is to prevent others who are reading this thread from being mislead. FF7R has roughly the same length as other Final Fantasy games, it's very high quality for the majority of the game, it fleshes out Midgar greatly so as to provide a proper emotional story for a location that was used lightly in the original game, and it has a climactic and satisfying ending even though it's part of a larger story arc.
It's a full, satisfying game. It's worth a full game price. But yes, it's not the entire story arc.
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Aggelos
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Red Rackham's Revenge
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You'll be waiting a decade. Did you wait until all 8 season were out before you started watching Game of Thrones?
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
Yes, I did.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
No.
No.
Finally you admit the game is not finished. Took you long enough.
Lanrutcon
Member
Hey, blame Square. They market it as a remake, and if it's a remake: then you only got part of the game. That's incomplete by any definition.
The fact that they don't even have the balls to put "Part 1" on their product speaks volumes. They were obviously nervous as hell as to the message that would send (which is stupid: everyone and their uncle wants an FFVII remake). I am very curious as to what part 2 is going to be called.
Ixion
Member
You're lying to yourself to make yourself feel better. It's obvious. FF7 is a very special game to you, and you know you'll have to wait a god damn decade to finally play the remake series based on what you're saying. So you lie to yourself to justify the long wait. Whatever you gotta do.
There's a few reasons for the name.
- It's a full-length Final Fantasy. Square mentioned they didn't want to say "Part 1" because it would imply that it's only a short 10-hour experience, instead of the 40+ hour experience that it is.
- The story has been changed, and the word "remake" has different meaning with this series since you, the player, are attempting to "remake" what happened before.
- The back of the box specifically states it only covers Midgar.
borborygmus
Member
I recommend skipping the "remake" entirely then. It's a turd.
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Lanrutcon
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1. It's a full length Final Fantasy, but not a full length Final Fantasy VII. Your argument is essentially that Part 1 is long thus it is not a part but a whole. Length is irrelevant: it's only a part of the game it's remaking. I have never seen people dance around the obvious so hard as with this topic.
2. So either they were trying to be clever and fucked up the messaging by using a word with an established meaning in context of the product and industry...or you're overthinking a deliberate attempt to mislead people. Incompetence or deceit. Not sure one is an improvement on the other.
3. It's fine to market bleach as Tasty White Liquid because the fine print at the back says not to swallow it. Very clear messaging, and not at all trying to make a product appear as something it's not.
Maybe they didn't realise what expectations they'd be setting calling it a remake. Maybe they're new to videogames?
Yes, although out of the textures they will not fix, the game was pretty solid. I didn't see any bug on my 50 hours save.
borborygmus
Member
Kitase even went on the record before it came out saying it'd be a faithful remake. Kitase after launch: "yeah btw it's not a faithful remake. Do u rike it?"
They knew what they were doing.
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Lethal01
Member
He was clear that while it would be very faithful there will be tons of things they want to change in additions that things that pretty much had to change.
They were very clear that the games would never be a 1 to 1 remake but would have the vast majority of things that most fans want to see and it did.
borborygmus
Member
"Not a 1 to 1 remake" and "changing some things" is such a dishonest understatement. There's no way they didn't know what they were doing.
This is one of the most cynical marketing campaigns I've ever seen.
TheAssist
Member
Hmm interesting. I gotta say, the game never crashed, freezed or stuttered for me. Compared to FF15 on PC this was smooth sailing. But good thing they still tweak it a little.
Man I would love some story DLC for this game. They talked about the cut content and I would looooove them to ad that in. I'd pay you 30 bucks Square. I dare you
Man I would love some story DLC for this game. They talked about the cut content and I would looooove them to ad that in. I'd pay you 30 bucks Square. I dare you
Lethal01
Member
Not really, the ghosts are a tiny part of the game even if they have big implications, the rest of the game is extremely faithful.
Lethal01
Member
Hmm interesting. I gotta say, the game never crashed, freezed or stuttered for me. Compared to FF15 on PC this was smooth sailing. But good thing they still tweak it a little.
Man I would love some story DLC for this game. They talked about the cut content and I would looooove them to ad that in. I'd pay you 30 bucks Square. I dare you
I'd prefer they take anyone who would work on that DLC and make them make part 2 as good as possible.
instead of getting more content now I'd rather wait till 2025 when they have a new game and a new engine that they could the port the first game into with 4x more experience working with next gen.
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borborygmus
Member
Are you for real? Literally the entire story is undone by time travel.
Don't mind me, just shut off your brain and keep on consooming whatever animu masterpiece Nomura shits out and gets covered up with dishonest marketing. Just lap it up off the floor.
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SCB3
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But you haven't played it, I don't think you can make a fair assessment of it until you do tbh
It is a full game, if it wasn't a remake but a new FF game itd still stand as a complete game, think of it as a first game in a trilogy, a bit like the LotR analogy you made earlier, you're right as in you wouldn't jump into the sequel and this story arc is not complete yet, but the game does a good job of feeling like a standalone story and if you didn't know there was more to come, it does leave it open to a sequel.
But if you wanna wait til the whole arc is out, that's cool, there's obviously nothing wrong with that and I bet you'll love it all when you do. Like you FF7 is a special game for me, my first RPG that I ever played, the remake is my current goty and Cyberpunk would have to do something special to change that now
Ixion
Member
1. Do you know of one other instance in the history of video games that did what Square did with this game? Where they took a chunk of an old game and created a fleshed out, in-depth, full-length, big-budget game from that chunk? Putting "Part 1" on the cover, as mentioned, would also cause confusion over the game's length. Whether they said that or not, either way wouldn't be perfect since it's a very unique situation.
2. How often is the word "Remake" used for an official game title? It's not a very traditional word to use for the official title. I thought it was odd when they first announced it, but it makes sense with the story direction of this game.
3. Selling a video game is different than selling a fatal liquid. Anyone who paid the slightest attention to the game besides just looking at the front cover will know it focuses only on Midgar. And if they didn't, then worst case is they own a new (great) game.
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Lethal01
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I mean, if I got a 99% faithful remake but right at the end it reveals the whole things was a dream I still see that as me getting an extremely failthful remake.
But sure, I will continue to Consoom things that I enjoy and reject things I don't.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Because you're waiting for the whole thing to come out first. When I mean "one sitting" I mean binge playing like someone might binge watch a TV series only once the whole thing is complete.
Dacon
Banned
No they arent lmao, they're a huge part of the plot and
change events from the original game in significant ways. They ruin Cloud's first fucking meeting with Aerith, interfere with SEVERAL important plot events and even have their own damn bossfight and chapter(which is terrible and makes 0 sense). The story is SOMEWHAT faithful but needless fucks with iconic moments in moronic ways, purple goo, Hojo lab, President Shinra not being dead, Barret getting stabbed, the game has plenty of dumb shit like this.
I wish I could agree, as a devout fan of the original game this game left me incredibly disappointed and dissatisfied, but that had nothing to do with it just being a Midgar game.
The ridiculous amount of padding to justify its length and price definitely helped mar my experience. Theres a lot of forced walking, and squeezing through things that just makes traversal annoying, and there's just big sections of the game that would have been better cut out like the obnoxiously terrible sidequests(some of which you're forced to do to progress), and entire gameplay sections that are just there to spin your wheels to pad the game out.
Lethal01
Member
other than the last chapter, every minute they are in the game is generally followed by an hour without them or with them just floating around in the background. To me the just weren't there enough to bother me for like 99% of the game.
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Lanrutcon
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1. They don't want to confuse people? Then why use the word "Remake" which caused a shitload of confusion? Also, game length is irrelevant. It can be 100 hours, it's still not the complete FFVII. The question of completeness is a pretty simple yes or no question, but you don't like the answer so you keep bringing up other facets of the game that don't matter. Is it complete, Lxion? Yes, you say. Because they modeled the playground in Midgar correctly. Because the red materia is really, really red. Because Cloud now has fingers. Admitting the answer is "no" would apparently end the universe or something.
2. Yeah, how weird would it be for a game that was announced as a remake of an older game to have "Remake" in the title as an indication that it's a remake. That would be so odd. I'd have to stop and think about it. And then the game came out and it wasn't a remake at all! Gosh. Yup, I think Square is actually new to this video game thing.
3. People know it focuses only on Midgar because of the stink it caused when it was announced more than anything.. Square intentionally chose to leave any indication that they're only delivering a part of the game they're remaking from the title in an effort to...fuck, I don't know. It's just so stupid the more I think about it. They're not fooling anybody. Whyyyyyyyyyy, Square? You dumb bastards, your game deserves better.
Maybe they were drunk that day.
sid2vicious
Banned
Then I guess by definition, every game that has a direct sequel are also incomplete. That's because by your definition, those games also tell a self-contained arcs but do not tell the complete story, how's this any different? Should I also blame Ubisoft for Assassin's Creed, EA for Mass Effect, Sony for God of War, Rockstar for Max Payne, Konami for Metal Gear Solid, Capcom for Resident Evil, I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. Stop being disingenuous and blame shit you're not in favor for because it doesn't fit your narrative. So by your definition we've been playing incomplete games for awhile now, who knew? Actually I knew, I just had to wait for the sequel to know what happens next... bummer, still enjoyed the full game though!
Moridianae
Member
I haven't played the remake yet and was waiting for a PS5 version or update. It is strange to me they haven't confirmed either one.
Someone said many games are getting patches, but they aren't explicitly stated to be PS5 patches for enhanced BC. Feels like that would be a good talking or marketing point...
Someone said many games are getting patches, but they aren't explicitly stated to be PS5 patches for enhanced BC. Feels like that would be a good talking or marketing point...
I began to think that boost mode only works with patches, and Sony don't want people knows.
Herr Edgy
Member
There is a 0% chance that Square hasn't branched out from the official source code though.
This means that even though UE 4.25 projects and up should officially be compatible, Square is probably using a much older version and tweaked that heavily. I very much doubt upgrading would be anywhere close to easy. It comes down to whether they want to invest a lot of money and time into upgrading or not.
ZZZZ
Member
They will have to make the change at some point, KH, FFVIIR, DQ are all UE4 games.
sublimit
Banned
Playing the first part might save you for having to wait for the rest.
