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[TomPUH]

Is anyone's client being very slow? It freezes on me for a little while before it even shows Square Enix for example.

Titan HM is not hard. Garuda HM is hard mode.

I beg to differ. Maybe because I've only been doing DF runs.

 

[GraveRobberX]

I've been thinking about this. Since they've stated that Crystal Tower is meant to be a bridge between AK and the Coil, Crystal Tower runs should drop myth tomes, right? If I had the patience I'd probably hold off on grinding tomes for now, and wait til CT is out to make it a bit less repetitive. But I don't.

CT is 24 man raid scenario

It will be in DF, not like Coil where you have to get a 8 man crew yourself and go at it

So just grab 8 people and start DF and get paired with 2 other Full Parties and have at it for ilevel 80 Gear or just try by yourself and get into the weirdest random parties ever created

 

[gatti-man]

I didn't think you could transfer from Legacy -> Non. Are you in the Gaf FC? What's your name?

Gatti Man in game. I keep trying to message Eithne Rain but never get a reply.

I wasn't sure if they will or not allow legacy to non legacy transfers.

 

[daveo42]

Titan HM is not hard. Garuda HM is hard mode.

Garuda HM allows for minor mistakes. Making even minor mistakes in Titan HM can quickly lead to party wipe. Once you have the patterns and phases down though, it'd not nearly as bad assuming your heals are on top of their game the entire time.

I beg to differ. Maybe because I've only been doing DF runs.

DF has the wrong party set up for Titan HM. No reason to have more than one tank and you end up either swapping that spot for another healer 9 (phase 5 help) or dps (phase 4 help).

 

[studyguy]

Titan HM is not hard. Garuda HM is hard mode.

Neither are difficult once you know the fights.
Garuda however is easy to overgear for.
You can absolutely overgear for Garuda to the point where you take her out long before the first center phase ends.

Titan is simply a matter of getting over the heart and whittling him down. If you know how to dodge, you're golden on Titan if you make it past the heart.

 

[demosthenes]

Gatti Man in game. I keep trying to message Eithne Rain but never get a reply.

I wasn't sure if they will or not allow legacy to non legacy transfers.

Did you sign up on the website from the first post?

-> http://reddot.guildwork.com/

 

[Marceles]

I'm pretty behind in the gear department, I only have two DL accessories in so far, and still on the chimera fight on Relic Reborn.

The CM runs aren't that bad when there's a group who gets along, it's just tough to find a dedicated group who wants to run it or Prae that many times unless they're "RELICZ ONRY, FULL DL OR AF+1 GEARZESEZ, I'M NOT AN IDIOT SO I EXPECT MY GROUP NOT TO BE" people. DF also takes a good 20-40 mins to find a group.

One day I'll just have to buy a load of coffee from Starbucks and grind it out. Might be tonight actually.

 

[omlet]

Titan HM is not hard. Garuda HM is hard mode.

Neither is very hard once you have seen the fights a couple times and know how they work.

Garuda has a lot more wiggle room in small mistakes, except that one major difference is Garuda HM going smoothly or not is almost completely up to the offtank handling sister spawns properly. I'd say well over half the wipes I've seen on Garuda were the OT's fault. Titan wipes on the other hand are almost never the tank's fault, typically the healers or DPS not dodging properly in my experience.

 

[demosthenes]

I'm pretty behind in the gear department, I only have two DL accessories in so far, and still on the chimera fight on Relic Reborn.

The CM runs aren't that bad when there's a group who gets along, it's just tough to find a dedicated group who wants to run it or Prae that many times unless they're "RELICZ ONRY, FULL DL OR AF+1 GEARZESEZ, I'M NOT AN IDIOT SO I EXPECT MY GROUP NOT TO BE" people. DF also takes a good 20-40 mins to find a group.

One day I'll just have to buy a load of coffee from Starbucks and grind it out. Might be tonight actually.

What server are you on? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on Sarg FC say any of that about CM/AK.

 

[Subaru]

Hey, I'm starting to play today and I have a big question. I want to be a Black mage, is there any difference if I start playing as an archer and then become a Thaumaturge? Because my friend is conjurer and I'm in Ul'dah he is in Gridania and we want to play together!

Thanks for the help!

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Hey, I'm starting to play today and I have a big question. I want to be a Black mage, is there any difference if I start playing as an archer than become a Thaumaturge? Because my friend is conjurer and we while I'm in Ul'dah he is in Gridania and we want to play together!

Thanks for the help!

You can do it however you want. But your Archer just needs to be 15 to unlock Black Mage. At level 10 you'll be able to switch classes.

 

[Marceles]

What server are you on? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on Sarg FC say any of that about CM/AK.

Good ol' Ultros, Crotin Phoenix. No one on the FC says that lol, mostly on shouts in Mor Dhona

 

[demosthenes]

Good ol' Ultros, Crotin Phoenix. No one on the FC says that lol, mostly on shouts in Mor Dhona

Ah well see, I run CM/AK pretty much exclusively with FC. There will be times where we won't fill a full party and we get some on DF or through shouts but I try to avoid non FC groups.

 

[Kade]

Thinking of switching servers from Behemoth. Where is the majority of the East Coast NA GAF?

 

[Aeana]

Neither is very hard once you have seen the fights a couple times and know how they work.

Garuda has a lot more wiggle room in small mistakes, except that one major difference is Garuda HM going smoothly or not is almost completely up to the offtank handling sister spawns properly. I'd say well over half the wipes I've seen on Garuda were the OT's fault. Titan wipes on the other hand are almost never the tank's fault, typically the healers or DPS not dodging properly in my experience.

Tanks can screw up on Titan, too. I've had tanks get hit by bombs several times before.

 

[Mendrox]

Alright I wanna try my hand at Titan HM tonight after work if anyone wants to help. Would be my first time, so prepare to watch me fail a lot.

http://www.justpushstart.com/2013/09/final-fantasy-xiv-primal-guide-titan-hard-mode/

Read that or have it open when the fight starts. You will have everything memorized after 2-3 times. And don't panic, everybody fails this fight because they panic.

Haven't killed him, but I know that the fight isnt hard with an experienced team.

 

[Subaru]

You can do it however you want. But your Archer just needs to be 15 to unlock Black Mage. At level 10 you'll be able to switch classes.

Oh good to know. If I delete my (old) character, my nickname is available right away?
Thanks for the help!

 

[Spiritreaver]

I believe the overflow linkshell was emptied and there are still empty spaces in the FC even right now. It's always nice to have more people to play with.

This does irk me a bit. I have no way of being in contact with GAF members because I'm not in the FC. Well aside from this thread really.

 

[Marceles]

Ah well see, I run CM/AK pretty much exclusively with FC. There will be times where we won't fill a full party and we get some on DF or through shouts but I try to avoid non FC groups.

I'm not 100% sure of the kind of gear I need for AK. I have all AF gear, DL belt and choker, all other accessories white, and my weapon is -1 damage from the Ifrit weapon since the lance never seems to drop.

I did one and 1/2 CM runs with the FC actually, first attempt foiled by a douche tank we had to get from DF, second attempt went great but by that time it was mostly time for everyone to rest up for work the next day to do more runs.

 

[theechrisfox]

If anyone on Behemoth wants to run AK 2-3 times tonight (5 p.m. eastern) with a relic/DL bard, drop me a PM. Sick of the long DF queues...

Spoiler

and GTA/2K14 are begging to be played

 

[Lain]

I'm at the part of the Relic quest where I need 2 Quicktongue 3 materia to meld into the Madman weapon and since the materia is 25k gil and I'm sorta poor, I was wondering what was the best path to get armor to break down for chances at the materia. Would rewards from high level leves do?

 

[Aeana]

This does irk me a bit. I have no way of being in contact with GAF members because I'm not in the FC. Well aside from this thread really.

Hmm? Why don't you join?

 

[chickdigger802]

I miss playing mmos in asia where you buy 'time' over subs. Those models seem to work better with how i play.

 

[demosthenes]

I'm not 100% sure of the kind of gear I need for AK. I have all AF gear, DL belt and choker, all other accessories white, and my weapon is -1 damage from the Ifrit weapon since the lance never seems to drop.

I did one and 1/2 CM runs with the FC actually, first attempt foiled by a douche tank we had to get from DF, second attempt went great but by that time it was mostly time for everyone to rest up for work the next day to do more runs.

You're fine with AK especially if you run it with FC. You might get some jerks from DF that need the best possible run. I started running AK with AF gear and GC weapon. Within 10 runs I was almost all AK gear. I upgraded my bow in WP.

 

[omlet]

Tanks can screw up on Titan, too. I've had tanks get hit by bombs several times before.

Anyone can screw up on anything. I said "almost" because yeah I've seen tanks run into bombs or poorly time cooldowns or fall off the edge (lol), too, but nine times out of ten in runs I've been in it's other people dying and the party losing a battle of attrition well before the tank makes any fatal mistakes.

I'm at the part of the Relic quest where I need 2 Quicktongue 3 materia to meld into the Madman weapon and since the materia is 25k gil and I'm sorta poor, I was wondering what was the best path to get armor to break down for chances at the materia. Would rewards from high level leves do?

Get i45-50 (you can use 55 but they SB a lot slower) DoM gear (things like accessories are the best, like the gem jewelry such as Tourmaline or Turquoise or Zircon) and SB->convert those. Wear them in CM and you'll probably get close to 20% SB per run or you can try to find a SB party (seem rare in ARR compared to 1.x).

 

[casuallyhardcore]

Where did you see this?

Here.

 

[Isaccard]

I plan on moving to ultros. I still haven't connected with anyone on sagitanas.

WHAT!?!?!?!!1?!!1111?!!1

 

[DrDogg]

My ACN is almost to 30 and it's looking more and more like I'll want to play both SMN and SCH. Any recommendations on how I should use my attribute points so one job isn't gimped? I know it's been discussed here and there, but this thread is huge and I couldn't find what I was looking for.

 

[falastini]

Alright I wanna try my hand at Titan HM tonight after work if anyone wants to help. Would be my first time, so prepare to watch me fail a lot.

Get your feet wet with Duty Finder first. DF is pretty much there for practice and desperate players. Any chance of finding 7 other competent players through DF is a crapshoot. It's better to learn the fight before grouping with guildies, unless it's understood that you're doing learning attempts.

Tanks can screw up on Titan, too. I've had tanks get hit by bombs several times before.

I found you're better off eating the circle pattern bombs than trying to avoid them. Unless the first bomb starts on your side of the map, then you can side step without moving Titan too much. Otherwise, you have to drag Titan with you as you run across the map. I found that just caused confusion and panic with the dps, and risked the chance for swipes by Titan. The other two bomb patterns are easily avoidable.

 

[Clever Pun]

My ACN is almost to 30 and it's looking more and more like I'll want to play both SMN and SCH. Any recommendations on how I should use my attribute points so one job isn't gimped? I know it's been discussed here and there, but this thread is huge and I couldn't find what I was looking for.

I'm focusing more on SCH than SMN, so I have put probably 10 or 11 points into MND and the rest into INT at level 44. I like healing more, though, so once I hit 50 and don't need to worry as much about solo questing, I'll probably respec to all MND. I know others have just done 15 MND, 15 INT, though so if you want to spend equal time playing both that's probably the way to go.

 

[Mechakira]

Relating to endgame gear grind, this was posted on Reddit recently:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ZnZmYkJJejlvY3d1c25ucVdQYXc&usp=sharing#gid=0

It covers the cost of buying Darklight vs buying Tomestone items to have crafted into 2-star armor. While the majority of armor is more expensive crafted, there are a couple exceptions in tank chest/head and leg/feet combos pieces, and the healer/mage robes that are actually cheaper. In addition crafted 2-star with appropriate materia is usually better than Darklight, and tomestone items can be bought from other players.

It's not going to work for everyone, since you need to find a crafter with a very good chance of making the item HQ (as the NQ is near-useless), and tomestone items are very expensive (40-50k right now) but it is an alternate route to CM grinding. On my Warrior I avoided a lot of the grind by crafting both the tank combo pieces, though this was back when tomestone items were around 10k each.

 

[DrDogg]

Also... I see there will be a gil limit when you transfer worlds. Any idea what this will be? Are we talking 100k, 500k, or in the millions?

 

[omlet]

My ACN is almost to 30 and it's looking more and more like I'll want to play both SMN and SCH. Any recommendations on how I should use my attribute points so one job isn't gimped? I know it's been discussed here and there, but this thread is huge and I couldn't find what I was looking for.

30INT/0MND if you to play SMN more. 0INT/30MND if you plan to play SCH more, or perhaps a mix of MND and VIT. 15/15 if you can see the future and know you'll play them equally in content where those stats matter, because the thing is those points won't make an appreciable difference in actually winning or losing until you're getting to things like coil, at which point, due to lockouts, you'll proooobably be playing one or the other, not both--much more likely to be switching from one flavor of one role to another than you are switching between roles because of gear distribution. You could also just not distribute them at all until you're 50 and have a better idea which you'll be playing more.

 

[DrDogg]

I'm focusing more on SCH than SMN, so I have put probably 10 or 11 points into MND and the rest into INT at level 44. I like healing more, though, so once I hit 50 and don't need to worry as much about solo questing, I'll probably respec to all MND. I know others have just done 15 MND, 15 INT, though so if you want to spend equal time playing both that's probably the way to go.

30INT/0MND if you to play SMN more. 0INT/30MND if you plan to play SCH more, or perhaps a mix of MND and VIT. 15/15 if you can see the future and know you'll play them equally in content where those stats matter, because the thing is those points won't make an appreciable difference in actually winning or losing until you're getting to things like coil, at which point, due to lockouts, you'll proooobably be playing one or the other, not both--much more likely to be switching from one flavor of one role to another than you are switching between roles because of gear distribution. You could also just not distribute them at all until you're 50 and have a better idea which you'll be playing more.

Thanks guys!

There's no better method at the moment? I'm concerned if I go 50/50 I'll be average at both jobs without the ability to be above average (based solely on stats). With the fairies for SCH, if I went more INT than MND, would the fairies help make up for the lower HP restored with healing spells?

At the moment I haven't distributed anything yet, so I may take the advice of just waiting until 50 and seeing how things go. I also have BLM, WHM, BRD and GLA at the moment, all of which are leveling at about the same pace, so it'll likely I'll have a variety of jobs to play at 50 and may want to focus more on SCH than SMN or vice versa.

From what I've read, it seems SMN plays more like ACN. Is that fairly accurate?

 

[casuallyhardcore]

Also... I see there will be a gil limit when you transfer worlds. Any idea what this will be? Are we talking 100k, 500k, or in the millions?

Really? So does that mean legacy players will be able to move to non-legacy servers now? I thought that was the whole reason they segregated the people that broke the economy early on.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Really? So does that mean legacy players will be able to move to non-legacy servers now? I thought that was the whole reason they segregated the people that broke the economy early on.

They will eventually with gil in tow

Right now it's only new <=> new, new => legacy, legacy <=> legacy

Legacy => New, is on hold, if you still want to, there's a gil limit

 

[Ferr986]

I wonder how many strength do DPS need to overcome the hearth phase.

When I tried yesterday (in DF) we were smooth avoiding shit, but we couldnt get past the heart phase. I have 422 str , and it seemed like the other DRG had more or less the same gear AS ME. Maybe Garuda's weapon is required after all? both had ifrit weapon (I tHink the BRD had GC wep. and some AF parts and the other was a SMN).

 

[omlet]

Thanks guys!

There's no better method at the moment? I'm concerned if I go 50/50 I'll be average at both jobs without the ability to be above average (based solely on stats). With the fairies for SCH, if I went more INT than MND, would the fairies help make up for the lower HP restored with healing spells?

At the moment I haven't distributed anything yet, so I may take the advice of just waiting until 50 and seeing how things go. I also have BLM, WHM, BRD and GLA at the moment, all of which are leveling at about the same pace, so it'll likely I'll have a variety of jobs to play at 50 and may want to focus more on SCH than SMN or vice versa.

From what I've read, it seems SMN plays more like ACN. Is that fairly accurate?

Mechanics/job knowledge > weapon primary stat > stats like INT and MND

SMN plays much like a more powerful ACN, yes.

SCH's fairy stats are based on your own base stats, so if you went all INT your fairy would be slightly weaker at healing, too.

 

[casuallyhardcore]

They will eventually with gil in tow

Right now it's only new <=> new, new => legacy, legacy <=> legacy

Legacy => New, is on hold, if you still want to, there's a gil limit

Sucks for the people that amassed their ridiculous stock pile of gil.

Great for me and new players playing in legacy servers having to deal with the absurd inflated market.

 

[Haint]

CT is 24 man raid scenario

It will be in DF, not like Coil where you have to get a 8 man crew yourself and go at it

So just grab 8 people and start DF and get paired with 2 other Full Parties and have at it for ilevel 80 Gear or just try by yourself and get into the weirdest random parties ever created

24 man is a disaster waiting to happen in every single respect--from strategy to gear distribution to everything. If people are looking to that as the savior of end game there are going to be a lot of really rude awakenings.

 

[Kyoufu]

I wonder how many strenght do DPS need to overcome the hearth phase.

When I tried yesterday (in DF) we were smooth avoiding shit, but we couldnt get past the heart phase. I have 422 str , and it seemed like the other DRG had more or less the same gear AS ME. Maybe Garuda's weapon is required after all? both had ifrit weapon (I tHink the BRD had GC wep. and some AF parts and the other was a SMN).

I did it with a green weapon from the AH.

It's important that the healer esuna/leeches the determination debuff on the person that gets Gaol'd.

 

[omlet]

I wonder how many strength do DPS need to overcome the hearth phase.

When I tried yesterday (in DF) we were smooth avoiding shit, but we couldnt get past the heart phase. I have 422 str , and it seemed like the other DRG had more or less the same gear AS ME. Maybe Garuda's weapon is required after all? both had ifrit weapon (I tHink the BRD had GC wep. and some AF parts and the other was a SMN).

You don't need garuda weapons to beat titan. It doesn't hurt but it's not required. Especially at 422STR, that's a pretty good number. Save burst damage skills and cooldowns for heart phase, only break 1st rock gaol and get that debuff off them ASAP if it's a DPS, and LB if you have to--it's easy as long as everyone is alive. Healers can also be tossing some nukes if they can afford to (which they should be able to if group is good at dodging).

 

[Marceles]

Relating to endgame gear grind, this was posted on Reddit recently:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ZnZmYkJJejlvY3d1c25ucVdQYXc&usp=sharing#gid=0

It covers the cost of buying Darklight vs buying Tomestone items to have crafted into 2-star armor. While the majority of armor is more expensive crafted, there are a couple exceptions in tank chest/head and leg/feet combos pieces, and the healer/mage robes that are actually cheaper. In addition crafted 2-star with appropriate materia is usually better than Darklight, and tomestone items can be bought from other players.

It's not going to work for everyone, since you need to find a crafter with a very good chance of making the item HQ (as the NQ is near-useless), and tomestone items are very expensive (40-50k right now) but it is an alternate route to CM grinding. On my Warrior I avoided a lot of the grind by crafting both the tank combo pieces, though this was back when tomestone items were around 10k each.

Thanks, I'll probably use this to gauge how many runs I need to do to get fully DL geared. Is the tomestone route even worth it? Seems like people go from DL straight to AF+1

 

[Alucrid]

24 man is a disaster waiting to happen in every single respect--from strategy to gear distribution to everything. If people are looking to that as the savior of end game there are going to be a lot of really rude awakenings.

Well considering that it'll never be the highest content out there...I don't think anyone is expecting that. At most I see it as a fun romp with my secondary classes.

 

[Wortany]

How bad are Ultros' logging queues during peak-hours?

I've been thinking of changing to Ultros as there is nothing binding me to Cerberus.
But seeing Ultros being mentioned as one of the highest populated servers in Yoshi-p's message has me a bit worried.

On the other hand, I am from EU so that might lessen the problem a bit.

 

[demosthenes]

You don't need garuda weapons to beat titan. It doesn't hurt but it's not required. Especially at 422STR, that's a pretty good number. Save burst damage skills and cooldowns for heart phase, only break 1st rock gaol and get that debuff off them ASAP if it's a DPS, and LB if you have to--it's easy as long as everyone is alive. Healers can also be tossing some nukes if they can afford to (which they should be able to if group is good at dodging).

Also, just normal attack at the start will help build up your limit break if you're having problems w/ the heart.

 

[WeaponKnight]

How bad are Ultros' logging queues during peak-hours?

Biggest queue I got after the server fixes was 2-3 minutes, around 10PM UTC.

 

[dark_chris]

Hey guys. I got the attribute reset. I wanna be sure I do this well.

I'm a Paladin, level 50. I wanna have good HP but at least have some points to hit stuff. How do these attributes look?
6 str and 24 vit in case someone doesn't know what is what.. Lol.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Tanks can screw up on Titan, too. I've had tanks get hit by bombs several times before.

I wonder how other tanks do, because for the line and clock formations you either move with the party and potentially kill them all, or you try to stay in the very small safe zone in the edge between the 2 bombs (is the last phase). Is very hard to get it down and you potentially can fall (lol), so is better play it safe and posibly eat one bomb. Either way I only get hit one or two times and use convalescence if I got hit, which should be enough for healers to top me before MB

I heard you can stun the bombs, but never tried.

BTW Titan down:

Hey guys. I got the attribute reset. I wanna be sure I do this well.

I'm a Paladin, level 50. I wanna have good HP but at least have some points to hit stuff. How do these attributes look?
6 str and 24 vit in case someone doesn't know what is what.. Lol.

That's fine, most PLD goes 30 VIT, but that 6 points will barely make a difference.

 

[demosthenes]

Hey guys. I got the attribute reset. I wanna be sure I do this well.

I'm a Paladin, level 50. I wanna have good HP but at least have some points to hit stuff. How do these attributes look?
6 str and 24 vit in case someone doesn't know what is what.. Lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/darkchris66/null_zps7cebc221.jpg[img][/QUOTE]

I don't think the 6 STR is really going to give you a difference. I think you'll enjoy that 6 VIT more when you survive some attack and have 40 HP left.