I don't think this tech is in the demo yet (Behemoth's legs kinda still shuffles around when turning) so I'm going to assume all large monster fights are pretty much in an "under construction" state.
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Xion4360
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yes but I think thats by design.
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No, just hold L1. Once the enemy actually hits you a prompt will pop up to press square. Thats when you do it.
DarkLordMalik
Member
When we originally load the demo after update, it asks to update the save file. I am sure this is the source of glitch as many of the bugs, I haven't encountered yet aside from the crash.
coredecepts
Member
I started up a new file with 2.0 and was surprised that the tutorial is a little different.
That would be it then. I'm probably being hit because I'm mid attack by the time they hit me.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I don't think this tech is in the demo yet (Behemoth's legs kinda still shuffles around when turning) so I'm going to assume all large monster fights are pretty much in an "under construction" state.
Hope so. Seems it's unanimous that these large monster fights are underwhelming right now. I specifically remember Tabata saying there's a monster free-run mechanic in one of the ATR. Hope to see it working like Dragon's Dogma. These beasts are made to be scaled, not be whacked at their feet.
Supermanisdead
Member
Game just seems slow and unresponsive. Weird camera issues, weird input lag. The camera is especially poor against the large monsters and whenever you do one of the team attacks. The screen just gets so cluttered that you don't even see Noctis do the finishing blow sometimes.
This is happening for me too. The whole "focus" thing is poorly implemented.
Game still thinks the phantom sword is there:
This is happening for me too. The whole "focus" thing is poorly implemented.
Pejo
Gold Member
So I bought Type-O HD at launch, never got around to downloading the FFXV demo though. Last night after seeing this thread, I downloaded it and put in about an hour and a half.
Overall, I like the game. It doesn't feel very "Final Fantasy" to me, but I guess it's been moving this direction for a few years. The combat is a fun mix of action and warping around. I am having a lot of issues telling exactly where I'm going to be warping to, and targeting in general at the moment, but I'm expecting I'll get familiar with it after a few more hours. Dodge/parry mechanic is actually a ton of fun. I really hate the idea of moving out of the battle to heal yourself/regen MP. Hanging off of a tower or hiding behind a rock for 25 seconds is no fun, and it seems kind of cheap honestly. Also I don't like the stolen shooter mechanic of "I'm near death, come give me an adrenaline shot" bullshit.
I'm not really a fan of the party outside of Noctis and the big gruff dude with the 2h sword (forget his name). I would have greatly preferred to be able to select from a larger cast of characters, and I'm surprised with myself that I'm kinda missing a female party member. I was originally all for the "bro road trip" idea but the characters just don't seem interesting or likable enough for it to work. Of course this is just an early demo.
I like the weapon system well enough, even though i'm by no means an expert with it. I wish you could normal attack with different weapons based on which direction you were holding, instead of it being "sword sword sword" until its near death then "spear spear". Skill selection seems to be a bit of a chore given the action pace of the battle system in general.
It's not bad by any means, and I'll be buying it day 1, because well, it's a mainline Final Fantasy, but it's hardly the JRPG I've been waiting for. Would have preferred a modified FFXII battle system using dedicated party roles and the gambit/targeting systems for AI. Noctis could even retain his current controls and I feel like it would be a big step up.
Overall, I like the game. It doesn't feel very "Final Fantasy" to me, but I guess it's been moving this direction for a few years. The combat is a fun mix of action and warping around. I am having a lot of issues telling exactly where I'm going to be warping to, and targeting in general at the moment, but I'm expecting I'll get familiar with it after a few more hours. Dodge/parry mechanic is actually a ton of fun. I really hate the idea of moving out of the battle to heal yourself/regen MP. Hanging off of a tower or hiding behind a rock for 25 seconds is no fun, and it seems kind of cheap honestly. Also I don't like the stolen shooter mechanic of "I'm near death, come give me an adrenaline shot" bullshit.
I'm not really a fan of the party outside of Noctis and the big gruff dude with the 2h sword (forget his name). I would have greatly preferred to be able to select from a larger cast of characters, and I'm surprised with myself that I'm kinda missing a female party member. I was originally all for the "bro road trip" idea but the characters just don't seem interesting or likable enough for it to work. Of course this is just an early demo.
I like the weapon system well enough, even though i'm by no means an expert with it. I wish you could normal attack with different weapons based on which direction you were holding, instead of it being "sword sword sword" until its near death then "spear spear". Skill selection seems to be a bit of a chore given the action pace of the battle system in general.
It's not bad by any means, and I'll be buying it day 1, because well, it's a mainline Final Fantasy, but it's hardly the JRPG I've been waiting for. Would have preferred a modified FFXII battle system using dedicated party roles and the gambit/targeting systems for AI. Noctis could even retain his current controls and I feel like it would be a big step up.
I updated my save and I haven't hit a crash or any glitches.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Definitely. My biggest comlaint with the new team attacks is that we can't even see most of the action due to the hectic camera. Seems like a sloppy implementation.
Death Penalty
Member
I'm glad to see that more folks are citing the big monster fights as a point of concern, because that was my biggest gripe with 1.0 and I didn't see as many people echoing it as I might have hoped. The fights are tedious, and especially in the case of the behemoth it feels like there are no truly effective strategies to take the big guys down. Just poke away with impotent attacks and dodge an almost overwhelming flurry of blows from your foe.
First, they need to cut down the HP bars of these enemies DRASTICALLY. Like, a quarter of the health probably won't be overdoing it. This will at least HELP make the fights a bit less dull because a big part of what makes them so tedious is that they take forever.
Second, the enemies need a greater degree of interactivity and strategic opportunity, just to keep the player engaged. With the big enemies there really isn't much variation moment to moment. They sling out the same strikes and leave you only tiny windows to counter with attacks that do next to nothing. It's the opposite of satisfying. There's no great way to stagger the behemoth, no strategy that really affords you a "gotcha!" moment, nothing but poking at feet. I pray that monster climbing is still in but after so long it's hard to imagine it is.
I really dislike Tabata's fascination with battles that last forever. He explains it will take you in game days to beat the Adamantoise like it's a point of pride when that sounds just terrible. Go for excitement, go for engagement and satisfying combat. As it is, it's quantity over quality and it's making what should be huge moments fall very flat.
Worries me when the big fights have been such set pieces up to this stage. They seem to be a big part of the game so seeing them being done so wrong up to this stage is not great.
First, they need to cut down the HP bars of these enemies DRASTICALLY. Like, a quarter of the health probably won't be overdoing it. This will at least HELP make the fights a bit less dull because a big part of what makes them so tedious is that they take forever.
Second, the enemies need a greater degree of interactivity and strategic opportunity, just to keep the player engaged. With the big enemies there really isn't much variation moment to moment. They sling out the same strikes and leave you only tiny windows to counter with attacks that do next to nothing. It's the opposite of satisfying. There's no great way to stagger the behemoth, no strategy that really affords you a "gotcha!" moment, nothing but poking at feet. I pray that monster climbing is still in but after so long it's hard to imagine it is.
I really dislike Tabata's fascination with battles that last forever. He explains it will take you in game days to beat the Adamantoise like it's a point of pride when that sounds just terrible. Go for excitement, go for engagement and satisfying combat. As it is, it's quantity over quality and it's making what should be huge moments fall very flat.
Worries me when the big fights have been such set pieces up to this stage. They seem to be a big part of the game so seeing them being done so wrong up to this stage is not great.
SoraanTribal
Member
I had this problem last night, too. It's weird because I really didn't remember it happening that often in 1.0, so it feels like something changed. I might be wrong, though. My Noctis was warping around in a random direction when I was pressing Square toward an enemy (he was warping in a direction that had no enemy at all), so I was confused. It's much easier to just use the big attack thing with Armiger, but sometimes I don't want to do that attack and just want to attack with all the swords. Not sure what's wrong.
coredecepts
Member
How do you initiate that big omnislash-looking attach with Armiger? Is it just L1+R1 then warp attack? Do I need all the Armiger weapons?
SoraanTribal
Member
L1+R1, then lock into an enemy (I wish activating it didn't unlock you from the enemy you had targeted)... Then yes press the warp attack button (X). You do need all 4 weapons yes.
coredecepts
Member
Cool, thanks. I though that's what I was missing, but I wanted to be sure.
Harkins1721
Banned
『Inaba Resident』;167042848 said:
It could have just been a place holder. I honestly thought it was fine but I love the new after image one.
Im also surprised how many of you cant tell the difference between Noct and Gladio. Also they pretty sure they didnt include any redubbing for the 1.0 scenes. Just some new scenes for 2.0. I tried looking up a comparison but the link someone posted is down for me.
Did anyone else notice how the AI is much dumber when it comes to them coming to save you? When those magitek soldiers pierce you with that critical attack, they don't come to save me anymore as much.. I think they saved me once out of 5 times...which wasn't like that at 1.0.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Couldn't agree more. I don't understand why they have SO much HP it's stupid. What is Behemoth and Catoblepas weak/strong against? What strategy are open for players to utilize? At this stage, it seems like even the developers have no clue on these judging by the demo.
Imagine if we could climb onto enemies and blind them by attacking their eyes, cut their legs to them cripple their movement, burn Iron Giant's hand to make them drop their weapon. They can make enemy specific weaknesses that way and make battles much more interesting.
They have never saved me once in 2.0. I just keep running around until Noctis magically revives himself. lol.
dragonzdogma
Member
How do you perform the charge attack with the zweihander?
I've tried changing it to be by first, second weapon, but I still cant get the charge attack to work.
I've tried changing it to be by first, second weapon, but I still cant get the charge attack to work.
coredecepts
Member
Set it as the Ravage weapon. I think you need to hold back on the stick and the attack button to start charging. At least, that works for me.
dragonzdogma
Member
Attack Dead eye from the right side,
using armiger will help you knock him down,and further attacks will take a nice chunk off his life, bring at least 10 potions into the battle and try to rescue your partners often.
If they die, Dead eye will focus solely on you.
You can even beat him if your level 20 or 25 ( it might take a whole FFXV day tho)
Also Dead eye has 3 target points when head left and right body
I find that after the patch the Dragoon lance works very well when jump attacking his face from the right side.
Finally dead eye has the quickest parry counter in the game,
but if you time it successfully you will cause him to stumble and be unguarded.
Well, I think it'd be hard to design fights if you don't know the extent to which the characters, monster and terrain can interact with each other, what kind of animation features there are, etc.
It'd be like trying to design KH2 fights when you don't know the extent of what's possible with reaction commands if the whole reaction command system was still being finalized.
Like literally chozen's video of the Catoblepas fight is just a big punching bag with token hard hitting abilities just because, with nothing interesting going on at all.
Compare that to any of the boss fights in KH2.
inb4 "get up on the Catobeplas' back"
Yeh, exactly. It kinda feels that way for Deadeye too, to be honest. Especially considering the theme-park-attraction-Main-Quest way to kill him was to drop Ramuh on his head. It felt like "oh, hey, let's just also let you cut him to death for now because why not, it doesn't break the game" was an afterthought for Episode Duscae.
YankeeDonB
Member
Yeah, Dead Eye does have some weaknesses. It's just that they're so much trickier/more finicky/on shorter timer than for other foes who are much weaker in general. I guess this is part of his being tough, but, coupled w/ the huge HP pool seems like overkill. I'd either make his weaknesses easier to hit (e.g., either extend the window for counter, or have it produce a longer stagger state), or give him far fewer HP.
As for Catoblepas, right now he feels more like a proof of concept than a fully implemented, thought out fight. It's like: look, you can fight this huge, well rendered animal in real time without breaking the game!
ergo, the large HP-pool monsters are to killed by yet implemented
1) Monster climbing,
2)Aerial attacks,
3) Magic systems.
My money is on 2-3.
Idk i thought they were saving me more then in 1.0. They still take forever but at least in 2.0 they got the hint to heal me whenever i approached them. In 1.0 i would approach them and they'd just stand there.
copelandmaster
Member
Wanna join in on the update fun, but I decided that I wanted to keep the old version. Maybe I don't wanna spoil myself for the final game, I dunno.
ooooooo, 2.0 is glitchier than the last one? Neat! I was thinking of asking someone to go try the car trick, but that's not really a fun thing to have to do to get some more exploration in.
If that doesn't work, you could try something else. I managed to break the LOD system by accident in 1.0. You'd know this happened if all the ground textures become blurry, or if the environment objects don't load in. If this happens to you, go to the map boundaries on the far enough from where you fist noticed everything was broken, the invisible wall doesn't load in to stop you from getting out. See if they removed Titan's model, or made the reset error boundaries more restrictive. Just something to keep in mind.
ooooooo, 2.0 is glitchier than the last one? Neat! I was thinking of asking someone to go try the car trick, but that's not really a fun thing to have to do to get some more exploration in.
If that doesn't work, you could try something else. I managed to break the LOD system by accident in 1.0. You'd know this happened if all the ground textures become blurry, or if the environment objects don't load in. If this happens to you, go to the map boundaries on the far enough from where you fist noticed everything was broken, the invisible wall doesn't load in to stop you from getting out. See if they removed Titan's model, or made the reset error boundaries more restrictive. Just something to keep in mind.
Death Penalty
Member
If that's a joke, it's fantastic.
I agree that the effect doesn't stand out enough now.
They replaced the particles with an after-image effect of Noctis for normal mp dodge, and restricted the particle use for perfect dodge. I actually prefer the new one as the particles were a little overboard, and this provides a bigger difference in visual feedback between the two dodge types.
normal dodge
perfect dodge
Shift Breaker
Member
I can't help but feel that having sidequests pop up at the start of the day after sleeping may have been poorly thought out when one of them looking at stars during night. Walk a few seconds to a spot and then just...wait.
If there are more of these in the main game then a time skip option might be nice.
If there are more of these in the main game then a time skip option might be nice.
Perfect Cha0s
Member
The whole left side of the UI is a fucking trainwreck right now.
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Deleted member 20920
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Hope so too. I think it's a necessity if you have time sensitive events and quests.
Large monster fights should just focus on being tactical.
They should draw inspiration from the souls series(dodging,timing attacks correctly) or,zomg,LR/XIII(buffs,debuffs,and just requiring you to set your self and party correctly)
Climbing shit is shallow and gets boring real fast.SotC is an exception because that's the entire focus behind the game and its only a handful of unique fights.
They should draw inspiration from the souls series(dodging,timing attacks correctly) or,zomg,LR/XIII(buffs,debuffs,and just requiring you to set your self and party correctly)
Climbing shit is shallow and gets boring real fast.SotC is an exception because that's the entire focus behind the game and its only a handful of unique fights.
Still ten thousands better than what we had before.
dragonzdogma
Member
BTW- Update:
The game is much darker now,
I had to re adjust my TV settings,
there seems to be a transparent fading effect that encompasses the whole screen.
At night time it was impossible for me to see anything unless I shifted the camera towards the moon.
The game is much darker now,
I had to re adjust my TV settings,
there seems to be a transparent fading effect that encompasses the whole screen.
At night time it was impossible for me to see anything unless I shifted the camera towards the moon.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
That effect was always there. I hope they remove it in the full game.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Opposite for me. I really disliked the combat in 1.0.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Something I noticed is that AI really won't save you after you get the summon.
In 1.0, my teammates always revived me pretty quickly, but after i got the summon, they never got me. I'm assuming its to allow you to activate the summon. I've noticed the same thing with 2.0
dragonzdogma
Member
We need to encourage this guy to make another combat in-depth explanation video
V.1 was PERFECT !!
for those of you who need a recap here's the Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2t2Si60Ak
Watching this made me play the game so much better.
V.1 was PERFECT !!
for those of you who need a recap here's the Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2t2Si60Ak
Watching this made me play the game so much better.
Yeah.
I want to warp attack a part of the Catoblepas (shoulder for instance), and have my sword get stuck while I dangle from it and be able to use my off hand for a flurry of attacks until Catoplebas shakes me off, and when he shakes me off while in in mid-air I get a X prompt allowing me to air-warp to a raised piece of land or a tower so I can land safely then reevaluate my next COA.
Hitting feet messes up the camera and is really boring, and forces you to get hit/stomped fairly often and easily by Cato.
Typically my whole party would be annihilated and I'd scurry off to a rock, hold L1, wait until my MP was full, then run a bit further away until I was out of the battle mode, which would then trigger the rebirth of The Three Stooges, and they would run over, and then I'd use 1-3 potions on It's Bedtime, then return to battle since Cato wouldn't regen any HP (afaik).
Kind of a lame battle...
They replaced the manual warp dodge with the roll?
dragonzdogma
Member
Great Question
according to Tabata 2.0 is supposed to have a way to toggle the warp dodge ( which consumes MP) or the roll.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Haven't played it but I've seen footage. Combat looks so much better and it finally doesn't look super clunky. However, I can still see many areas of potential improvement.
-Lock-on still needs work (God dammit just copy KH's lock-on please).
-Duscae still feels a bit too empty, there shouldn't be instances of Noctis just running around for 3 minutes with no enemy encounters or NPC's.
-I really am hoping for better implementation of the Summon system and the Team Attack system in the full game. They really do seem a bit OP.
-Enemies have too much health.
-Every single line of dialogue should be voiced.
-Camera and framerate still need a biiiit of work
I've heard the combat feels a lot lighter and smoother and that makes me very happy.
-Lock-on still needs work (God dammit just copy KH's lock-on please).
-Duscae still feels a bit too empty, there shouldn't be instances of Noctis just running around for 3 minutes with no enemy encounters or NPC's.
-I really am hoping for better implementation of the Summon system and the Team Attack system in the full game. They really do seem a bit OP.
-Enemies have too much health.
-Every single line of dialogue should be voiced.
-Camera and framerate still need a biiiit of work
I've heard the combat feels a lot lighter and smoother and that makes me very happy.
jimmypython
Member
exactly! We see so much strategic play in FFX/X-2/XIII/XII aka non-action based RPG. Position-based strategic elements would work in ARPG if done well, like some boss fights in KH. Tabata still has something to learn from other games..just be sure not from Skyrim/Dragon Age/Diablo.... lol
DarkLordMalik
Member
Strange since they are actually saving me now whereas they ignored me in 1.0
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