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[poipoipoi9]

Was watching the stream earlier before it got canned. The ending moment where the camera panned over the picture that was Young Noctis doing the Jojo pose had me in stitches . And New Noctis looking like Araragi didn't help. I was laughing throughout.

What was Ardyn's motive? Like why did he took the effort to hang the bodies of dead Niflheim people in the Throne Room? Did he expect Noctis to commend him on his interior decorating skills or something?

 

[Wanderer5]

Wow so the whole area you are in gets destroyed with everyone killed?

Amano is still the best

The logo changes post game? That pretty cool if so.

 

[Inuhanyou]

To me if you have to resort to bad/overly sad things to get a reaction, if that's your credo, you're automatically a hack.

Yoko Taro disagrees with you entirely. Gen urubochi too.

 

[Ruff]

What was Ardyn's motive? Like why did he took the effort to hang the bodies of dead Niflheim people in the Throne Room? Did he expect Noctis to commend him on his interior decorating skills or something?

I believe that was an illusion. They disappeared shortly after the scene. Obviously meant to be demotivational and such.

 

[Frumix]

Yoko Taro disagrees with you entirely. Gen urubochi too.

The difference is that in their story downer endings are properly set up and actually accomplish something. What does this ending accomplish? Everybody lost. The world is kinda unfucked, but Insomnia is done, and it's still hard to care.

 

[GringoSuave89]

I believe that was an illusion. They disappeared shortly after the scene. Obviously meant to be demotivational and such.

Kinda odd though. I mean, does Noct even know about Nyx? Would his addition faze him?

The difference is that in their story downer endings are properly set up and actually accomplish something. What does this ending accomplish? Everybody lost. The world is kinda unfucked, but Insomnia is done, and it's still hard to care.

For all we know, Insomnia was a total Sodom and Gomorra thing, and Ardyn had a reason to hate it all. We are missing large swaths of context here.

 

[Yasumi]

To me if you have to resort to bad/overly sad things to get a reaction, if that's your credo, you're automatically a hack.

This is a bad opinion.

 

[Gbraga]

The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with it. Not every final boss has to have a billion different forms. This seemed super personal and it was still epic as hell. And lol at people saying worst FF final boss. Remember Yu Yevon? So, has anyone here actually played the final boss?

And here's a question. Doesn't FFXV have NG+? Is there a possibility we have a Type-0 situation here?

Tabata did talk about NG+ a while back, but then said there wouldn't be a way to keep your levels on a new game. I just interpreted both things as working together, as in "you keep your gear but your level is reset", but I'm now thinking there's no NG+ at all.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Eh, when so many games pull their punches at the end and have everything turn out fine, I'm happy to see an ending where everyone just fucking dies.

I always thought that was how

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FFT

ended. I wasn't aware that

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Ramza and Alma riding chocobos were REALLY them alive living the rest of their lives out in peace, but always thought none of Ramza's group made it out of Murond, and all died with Ultima's final attack.

 

[Ruff]

Kinda odd though. I mean, does Noct even know about Nyx? Would his addition faze him?

I have no idea if Noct learns about Nyx during the game or not. Could just be a reference for the player. It would be funny if he was like "Wait, what. Who is that guy with the nice ass?"

 

[GringoSuave89]

I have no idea if Noct learns about Nyx during the game or not. Could just be a reference for the player.

Still really fucking weird. They really banked on people watching Kingsglaive hahaha

 

[DMONKUMA]

How are the Prompto, Ignis or Gladio dlc suppose to add to this?

I'm joking.


Ending is kinda fucked up. But I love that type of shit.

 

[raven777]

The logo looks so bad that I can't believe it's real

 

[Inuhanyou]

The difference is that in their story downer endings are properly set up and actually accomplish something. What does this ending accomplish? Everybody lost. The world is kinda unfucked, but Insomnia is done, and it's still hard to care.

Well, i'm not saying whether or not Tabata's writing was good or bad, just disputing the notion that anyone who writes sad or disturbing stuff as their calling cards are a hack. There's a difference between having a calling card and having a one note crutch that destroys the entire series once the viewer gets tired of that specific draw(akame ga kill, mirai nikki, looking at you)

We also still have not played the games for ourselves as i said last page. Context matters going through a 30+ hour story and how things are laid out are key.

 

[Socivol]

I find it weird that a final boss of a main FF have one human form and that's it.

Same it's a super weird turn of events.

 

[Frumix]

For all we know, Insomnia was a total Sodom and Gomorra thing, and Ardyn had a reason to hate it all. We are missing large swaths of context here.

Nothing of what I've seen of the game indicates that we aren't playing as good guys.

 

[YunFang1130]

I kinda feel bad that I spoiled the ending for myself. But at least, there's a lot of stuff that I still don't understand that I can explore... Can't wait until next week.

 

[MechaX]

I always thought that was how

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FFT

ended. I wasn't aware that

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Ramza and Alma riding chocobos were REALLY them alive living the rest of their lives out in peace, but always thought none of Ramza's group made it out of Murond, and all died with Ultima's final attack.

Well, to be fair in that kind of a situation (FFT spoilers):

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Ramza's entire band were heretics for life and even Olan got burned at the stake for it. They lived in peace, but in absolute obscurity, which is still pretty somber in of itself. But yeah, I thought that everyone just died when Ultima blew up until Matsuno set the record straight.

Yoko Taro disagrees with you entirely. Gen urubochi too.

Nah, Yoko Taro puts in some work to make his endings as depressing as fuck. Just pulling the trap door on the entire cast is one thing, but Taro is going to make damn sure that you feel terrible about what happens.

 

[Ruff]

Still really fucking weird. They really banked on people watching Kingsglaive hahaha

Aren't the Kingsglaive supposed to be the kings best defence force anyway? I imagine that Noct as the Prince would probably see Nyx around from time to time before the events unfolded, whether on a first name basis I'd have to guess :/

 

[vainglorious]

I find it weird that a final boss of a main FF have one human form and that's it.

It's the fucking fedora that's offensive.

 

[Natheren]

The only saving grace this game has is that it might pull a Bravely Default?

Man 10 years of waiting for this game... oh boy.

 

[AlexFlame116]

HA!

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But seriously wtf did that song have to do with the game? It's a good song but it feels really random. :/

It's actually really simple!

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It's about how Lightning will never get to hold hands with Noctis due to him leaving the FNC saga.

 

[GringoSuave89]

Nothing of what I've seen of the game indicates that we aren't playing as good guys.

WE are the good guys, doesn't mean Insomnia/previous kings didn't royally fuck things up.

I doubt SE would let FF go in that direction anyway, but it's just a thought.

Aren't the Kingsglaive supposed to be the kings best defence force anyway? I imagine that Noct as the Prince would probably see Nyx around from time to time before the events unfolded, whether on a first name basis I'd have to guess :/

I guess, but it reeks of trying to make the FFXV world bigger than it is. Having Nyx there is solely for the player to go "oh that one dude from the movie tie in!". It doesn't nothing for the main story. Maybe I'm making a mountain of a molehill.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Well, to be fair in that kind of a situation (FFT spoilers):

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Ramza's entire band were heretics for life and even Olan got burned at the stake for it. They lived in peace, but in absolute obscurity, which is still pretty somber in of itself. But yeah, I thought that everyone just died when Ultima blew up until Matsuno set the record straight.

Wait. He did? When did that happen?

 

[Ruff]

I guess, but it reeks of trying to make the FFXV world bigger than it is. Having Nyx there is solely for the player to go "oh that one dude from the movie tie in!". It doesn't nothing for the main story. Maybe I'm making a mountain of a molehill.

I feel that is absolutely the case, I'm just trying my best to rationalise it haha. come to think of it, I find it harder to think about how Ardyn himself even knows about Nyx. They never meet.

 

[MechaX]

Wait. He did? When did that happen?

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If you're talking about Olan, they mentioned it right before the ending credits; Olan tried to release Ramza's story and the Church burned him at the stake. If Matsuno, he revealed it in a twitter post a few years back.

 

[Gbraga]

To me if you have to resort to bad/overly sad things to get a reaction, if that's your credo, you're automatically a hack. Goes for manga, anime, anything really. Considering we're 3-0, Tabata is very much of a hack. Assuming that's the whole ending, it manages to successfully make the literal deus ex machina at the end of the FFXIII saga a lot more enjoyable.

What got me the most in the ending scenes was Noctis' "Guys... I love you", so I can't really agree with that.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Well, to be fair in that kind of a situation (FFT spoilers):

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Ramza's entire band were heretics for life and even Olan got burned at the stake for it. They lived in peace, but in absolute obscurity, which is still pretty somber in of itself. But yeah, I thought that everyone just died when Ultima blew up until Matsuno set the record straight.

I think it would've made more sense

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that they all died. Olan didn't go with them, hence he still died as a heretic, but it felt right that Ramza and his companions would see it through to the end and die to make sure the rest of the world was "safe" from the Lucavi threat. That and I never grasped how they would've made their way back. Didn't they get to Murond through a special teleportation gate? I figured it was a one-way trip. When they show Ramza and Alma on chocobos at the end, I always figured that was their ghosts riding through some sort of afterlife.

 

[GringoSuave89]

I feel that is absolutely the case, I'm just trying my best to rationalise it haha. come to think of it, I find it harder to think about how Ardyn himself even knows about Nyx. They never meet.

Rationale goes out the window when we've been waiting for the game in question for over a decade haha

 

[Via Purifico]

HA!

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But seriously wtf did that song have to do with the game? It's a good song but it feels really random. :/

Because it was literally just meant for her album Echo and Square wanted to use that for western promo lol.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Where the hell are people seeing the ending?

 

[Thoraxes]

You know, it says something that I'm trying to think of a funny response and can't even come up with that.

XIII's ending really did wrap everything up.

Yeah. It's why I remembered being weirded out when they went the way they did for XIII-2 with the whole chaos realm/Valhalla stuff.

 

[AlexFlame116]

Because it was literally just meant for her album Echo and Square wanted to use that for western promo lol.

Hmm...I like my answer better haha!

Just kidding! Wasn't Leona Lewis popular at the time due to her winning a contest or something so this was her first album?

 

[vainglorious]

Where the hell are people seeing the ending?

YouTube stream that's been taken down.

Hopefully some screens or mirrors pop up.

 

[Via Purifico]

Where the hell are people seeing the ending?

It was being streamed but it got pulled but we saw everything.

 

[yunbuns]

Where the hell are people seeing the ending?

During a stream. It was uploaded on youtube but it was taken down. Idk if if anyone has put up another video though.

 

[fluffydelusions]

So are people just freaking out over the ending? What about the rest of the game?

 

[Inuhanyou]

Nah, Yoko Taro puts in some work to make his endings as depressing as fuck. Just pulling the trap door on the entire cast is one thing, but Taro is going to make damn sure that you feel terrible about what happens.

I wasn't comparing them. I was disputing the fact that anybody who makes a sad ending is a hack.

 

[yunbuns]

Hmm...I like my answer better haha!

Just kidding! Wasn't Leona Lewis popular at the time due to her winning a contest or something so this was her first album?

It was her second album iirc and honestly she was never that 'big'. Bleeding Love was her only major hit. Florence + the Machine was a better choice for XV.

 

[Socivol]

Same. While not exactly the same, I was quite fond of how the ending of FFXIII gave a different meaning to the logo.

I still don't understand what everyone else in the logo represents besides the sleeping Luna. Also, that seems kind of shoehorned into the logo because we know Luna as a character didn't even exist 10 years ago when the logo was developed.

 

[AlexFlame116]

Now see, I love NieR and I loved the ending. But I wasn't a big fan of having to

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collect every weapon

haha.

 

[Leeness]

HA!

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But seriously wtf did that song have to do with the game? It's a good song but it feels really random. :/

It was about hands and putting on make up. Lightning had hands and put on make up. Duh.

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I don't know.

 

[Kagari]

I still don't understand what everyone else in the logo represents besides the sleeping Luna. Also, that seems kind of shoehorned into the logo because we know Luna as a character didn't even exist 10 years ago when the logo was developed.

Because it was originally Etro.

 

[Via Purifico]

Hmm...I like my answer better haha!

Just kidding! Wasn't Leona Lewis popular at the time due to her winning a contest or something so this was her first album?

She seemed to be pretty popular in the UK which is where she won Xfactor in and Bleeding Love was a hit here in the States but I still think it was a misguided way to sell the game.

I think they were running with their head cut off like a chicken trying to find something they could use for promotion.

 

[Ruff]

I still don't understand what everyone else in the logo represents besides the sleeping Luna. Also, that seems kind of shoehorned into the logo because we know Luna as a character didn't even exist 10 years ago when the logo was developed.

Yeah, they definitely retconned the logo. I don't believe for a second they planned it from the start.

 

[vainglorious]

So are people just freaking out over the ending? What about the rest of the game?

The promise of Final Fantasy Versus 13 has been reduced to... well.

Instead of Stella we have a barely there heroine who dies after the Leviathan encounter in a collect the ancient sword plot that culminates in everyone else dying.

This is some rough shit.

 

[GringoSuave89]

I feel like a great deal of this game was retooled just to fit prerelease plans and ideas. Far easier than to start from scratch.

 

[sonicmj1]

Having only seen the last boss and the last cutscene, it's impossible to tell how well the ending works without knowing why any of it is happening or what any of it means. I like that most of the focus seems to be on the characters affected, as opposed to resolving a giant, monstrous piece of plot, but then again I might just be saying that because the characters are the only thing I understood.

 

[Mister Megative]

Does the game have superbosses/ultimate weapons and such?

 

[Inuhanyou]

As Kagari says the logo was originally etro. But since they removed all trace of FNC from this game, the logo just represents Luna in that specific position, hence noctis taking a spot after the end