Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD

Crossing Eden said:
Not the game specifically, the story part of it. Nomura simply cannot do narratives. Remember we're talking about the same dude who wrote this:
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The most unironic and cliche use of "my friends are my power."
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You know Nomura didn't actually write the script of DDD right (so all those lines you've said you hate in that game, like the use of my friends are my power there)? That was all Masaru Oka. You can blame the overall plot on Nomura but not the actual dialogue since that was Oka.
 
Crossing Eden said:
Not the game specifically, the story part of it. Nomura simply cannot do narratives. Remember we're talking about the same dude who wrote this:
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The most unironic and cliche use of "my friends are my power."
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More hype than anything in FFXV

If only they'd kept that city invasion they'd have something to top it though.
 
DKHF said:
You know Nomura didn't actually write the script of DDD right (so all those lines you've said you hate in that game, like the use of my friends are my power there)? That was all Masaru Oka. You can blame the overall plot on Nomura but not the actual dialogue since that was Oka.
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People always do this whenever somebody criticizes story in Nomura games, it's weird. Tabata can sleep in his own bed but why do people rush to Nomuras defense so much when it comes to story? ThirdBirthday, Crisis Core(Gackt), DDD, Dirge, AC,Coded the dude had a huge hand in all of them and yet there story woes aren't on him? Lol
 
PshycoNinja said:
Nope. Not true.



Nope. Not true.
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I didn't count the flashbacks, he also appears in two short flashbacks. If that what you mean.

For the emperor, yeah, Ardyn kills him offscreen. You fight a demonized version of him later but it's a normal enemy, not even a boss.

Sorry I wasn't detailed enough in my answers.
 
If sora isn't lying and he played the game and he only shows up twice then that means he only shows up twice in the main story. maybe he shows up elsewhere in a sidequest. who knows.

EDIT: Redacted.
 
Slater said:
People always do this whenever somebody criticizes story in Nomura games, it's weird. Tabata can sleep in his own bed but why do people rush to Nomuras defense so much when it comes to story? ThirdBirthday, Crisis Core(Gackt), DDD, Dirge, AC,Coded the dude had a huge hand in all of them and yet there story woes aren't on him? Lol
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I never said the story isn't on him at all dude since it is, but the cringeworthy dialogue that people take issue with especially in DDD wasn't actually written by him. That's what I was pointing out.
 
DKHF said:
I never said the story isn't on him at all dude since it is, but the cringeworthy dialogue that people take issue with especially in DDD wasn't actually written by him. That's what I was pointing out.
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Ahhhh my bad. Although, KH has had incredibly cringy dialogue forever. Nomura written stuff is like the opposite of the exception to it.
 
Slater said:
Ahhhh my bad. Although, KH has had incredibly cringy dialogue forever. Nomura written stuff is like the opposite of the exception to it.
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Well Nomura has never written the dialogue in KH (or really any game AFAIK) since that's not his job. It's always been Nojima, Watanabe or Oka.
 
Kagari said:
Nojima didn't rewrite Tabata's script.
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I agree. While i don't think nomura/nojima will do a better FF15, Tabata had a lot of time to develop the game. Even if SE wanted to retain the character art, surely he could have come up with a solid plot and game.
 
Shandy said:
Conspiracy theory: Game was delayed 50% for technical reasons and 50% to get it closer to GOTY period so as to avoid giving people too much time to mull over it.





Tabata, Toriyama and (unpopular opinion?) Nomura all seem like they do better when there's someone above them who can control their input and veto anything they approve that's just silly. The 3rd Birthday is a tremendous example of this, when all three of them were sufficiently senior enough for all their bad decisions to just float on by. Story director Toriyama's input should have been rejected by creative director Nomura. Failing that, game director Tabata should have put the screws to both of them.

This applies as equally to gameplay mechanics as it does narrative, too. Tabata should have laughed the random outcomes of DNA combining in The 3rd Birthday back to whoever came up with it. And he should have laughed the random proccing of abilities back, too. But he didn't because... question mark? Maybe he's just not that good? Maybe he got XV by process of elimination. "Nomura can't get the job done, putting Toriyama in charge will go over like a lead balloon, Ito is working on a new game that definitely exists and will be amazing shut up and let me have this. Give it to the PSP guy?"

Hell, based on Judgment Disc, there are a couple of mechanics that stump me for their existence and I would love to know the rationale behind them. Though I have a feeling the answer to "If you can sprint infinitely, why even have a stamina bar?" is "Because other games have it." Which struck me a lot playing that demo, that they imitated mechanics and features from moderately to monstrously successful games without putting the same kind of thought and care into crafting them that contributed to the success of their inspiration.
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They are totally lost without the Gooch we've known this for a long time
 
DKHF said:
Well Nomura has never written the dialogue in KH (or really any game AFAIK) since that's not his job. It's always been Nojima, Watanabe or Oka.
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After a certain point that stuff is on him. People right now are reaming Tabata for XV's script even though he's not the writer. Why shouldn't the same thing happen for Nomura? Don't really want to derail, and I love the dude,but the double standard people have for him is realllllly apparent
 
Slater said:
After a certain point that stuff is on him. People right now are reaming Tabata for XV's script even though he's not the writer. Why shouldn't the same thing happen for Nomura? Don't really want to derail, and I love the dude,but the double standard people have for him is realllllly apparent
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Well I think that is incorrect of them, they should blame Itamuro for issues with the script not Tabata.
 
PshycoNinja said:
I really think you're forgetting scenes with Ravus. Particulary one at the beginning of Chapter 9.

As for Iedolas... I don't want to spoil that encounter. I'll talk more when the game releases.
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There was no scene for Ravus in chapter 9. There's a flashback that seems to be taking place during chapter 9, where he's talking to Luna in Altisia, but it happens much later. So I think either the game glitched for me somehow and I didn't got the cutscene, or you're wrong.

As for Ideolas, it seems that there's more to it than what I played? Interesting.

I must clarify something, I encountred some very nice cutscenes and flashbacks for Luna and Prompto by doing side quests, so maybe there's more to some characters that I felt were underwhelming in the optional content. Maybe.
 
B.K. said:
How can you say you enjoy VI's story can call XV a mess? VI drops almost every running plot the second the World of Ruin begins.
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Wut? FF6 had one of the more interesting stories. How many times you seen a bad guy achieving his goal completely?

Thanks to hardware limitation then, we were not hit over the head with badly written and directed story scenes. So much convoluted twists have been thrown about since FF7.
 
DKHF said:
Well I think that is incorrect of them, they should blame Itamuro for issues with the script not Tabata.
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I agree, to an extent but it's a director's job to provide a clear vision. Tabata's situation sucks but he will still get deserved blame for a story that could have been better, just like Noumra should for KH.
 
Slater said:
I agree, to an extent but it's a director's job to provide a clear vision. Tabata's situation sucks but he will still get deserved blame for a story that could have been better, just like Noumra should for KH.
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Well yeah I agree they both deserve blame for the overall story structure of their games, I've been saying not the script of their games since they don't write it.
 
Inuhanyou said:
From what i know about Ravus, he becomes a sympathetic character. ANd the Ardyn is apparently a previous Lucian king who was not chosen by the crystal or the gods and so was jealous. Somehow he was cursed by immortality and has been waiting generations to get revenge.
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That's it? It's a revenge story for the bad guy? Oh i was expecting more world building and mythology explained in the game.
 
Garrett Hawke said:
It's been fixed.

They basically ditched the lighting from Platinum and Duscae Demo which is a shame because it was objectively superior but it obviously came at too large of a cost.
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Thats really good news. Its a shame that the impression of the story isn't as good, but I think I'll play and judge that for myself.
 
miladesn said:
what is that sun behind 'Luna' supposed to be now? There wasn't anything in CG scene that I remember. It's just chilling there guess.

man this logo pisses me off, I don't know why.
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The moon? To represent Luna I guess. Leviathan is what I think is supposed to be the thing next to her now judging by her story moment. It's all very shoehorned in.
 
Slater said:
I don't think Jett was trying to deflect anything, he's not a fan of XV, but I mean, its literally been a decade sense Nojima wrote anything that got acclaim, he's more well known today for blowing up Tidus with fucking Blitzball bombs
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I'm confused by this. Does the bomb literally look like a blitzball or was it a bomb(enemy) mistaken for a blitzball. If the former why would someone do this?
 
Neolombax said:
This whole re-doing of story and re-purposing/downgrading of characters reminds me of another game. Destiny.
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On the plus side, XV is done. Square Enix can finally put all the Versus baggage behind them and start with an original concept with XVI.
 
Akainu said:
I'm confused by this. Does the bomb literally look like a blitzball or was it a bomb(enemy) mistaken for a blitzball. If the former why would someone do this?
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I think it's literally a bomb, because Tidus needs to blow off steam and is dumb/impulsive kicks it.
 
B.K. said:
On the plus side, XV is done. Square Enix can finally put all the Versus baggage behind them and start with an original concept with XVI.
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Yeah it will be good to have a fresh concept for a mainline FF after so long.

Now SE just please don't announce it years before release like you love to do...
 
B.K. said:
On the plus side, XV is done. Square Enix can finally put all the Versus baggage behind them and start with an original concept with XVI.
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To-do List:
- 3 character DLC episodes
- Expansion DLC with online multiplayer system
- PC port with various enhancements
- Season Pass 2 with more episodes and content
- FFXV Kingsglaive: The Movie: The Game DLC Expansion
 
duckroll said:
To-do List:
- 3 character DLC episodes
- Expansion DLC with online multiplayer system
- PC port with various enhancements
- Season Pass 2 with more episodes and content
- FFXV Kingsglaive: The Movie: The Game DLC Expansion
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I'm still not ruling out Lightning Returns : Final Fantasy XV as well
 
The Versus XIII baggage situation is a shame. It seems Tabata just cut a trilogy into a single game and cramped an open-world in it. I don't agree that starting fresh would make the story better though. We've seen Type-0 and you can't give Tabata the full reign for story. That said, KH story is equally nonsensical to me. TWEWY is still the only game Nomura made that I fully appreciate. I don't know how much input Nomura had for the story of that one. Oh and I don't believe in Nojima at all given his recent track record. SE need to bring us them FFXIV writers to the single player titles. They shall not lock the best FF stories behind an MMO.
 
duckroll said:
To-do List:
- 3 character DLC episodes
- Expansion DLC with online multiplayer system
- PC port with various enhancements
- Season Pass 2 with more episodes and content
- FFXV Kingsglaive: The Movie: The Game DLC Expansion
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I haven't really kept up with the game development but this just sounds like the DLC is just cut content from the original game that isn't crucial to the main storyline, but couldn't make it on time.

As long as the main storyline makes sense in general and delivers a sense of closure by the time the credits roll, its all good.
 
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