Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD
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Oh, I got that from it. It's just a depressing ass ending and wasn't my cup of tea. No need to explain to me why others like it or how it ended.
I'm indifferent to everything about VII in general (except Tifa <3) so the ending doesn't do anything for me. I did play it after the compilation was in full swing and I believe I had watched AC before so there was nothing for me 'interpret' I guess?. I still think VIII has the most satisfying ending in the series.
darling SO SHAREEE WITH ME
privitsan02
Member
That ending was unsatisfying as hell. Noct ends up dead too? What about the rest of the characters?
Now that I think about it, 7's ending wasn't that great either, it's just with the amount of crap that got released afterwards, I forget how anemic that ending was too.
Now that I think about it, 7's ending wasn't that great either, it's just with the amount of crap that got released afterwards, I forget how anemic that ending was too.
From my interpretation, I think Prompto is one of those people grown in the tubes and he somehow made it over as a kid. Which is why he had no parents in the anime. So that's why he freaked out about telling the bros who he was.
I assume the DLC would explain alot more of it.
They're all alive before Noct enter the throne room, so they're probably fine
But Noct had to die to save the world
I agree, they lived. Wish we had just one scene of them seeing the daylight happen tho.
just beat. awesome ending, but the stuff leading up to it was kinda weak. felt like a lot of exposition and cut scenes were missing.
also some of the boss fights would start off awesome but then just become annoying in a way. like the end fight with ardyn was awesome til you had to use all 13 swords. same with the chapter 9 boss fight.
also some of the boss fights would start off awesome but then just become annoying in a way. like the end fight with ardyn was awesome til you had to use all 13 swords. same with the chapter 9 boss fight.
oh man
i believe they lived and the empty seats were just a symbol of their past adventures. i feel the message was the King sacrificed himself for everyone and i assume the party lived. Hell, they lived through way more horrible stuff at the end of Chapter 13. A few Iron Giants didn't kill them outside the throne room.
SoulUnison
Banned
If the bros died they would have been in the throne room at the end, curled up on the stairs or dozing at the foot of the throne, or something.
You can't tell me that after everything they'd been through and the final campfire scene that Noctis wouldn't have the bros in his dream world if they were available.
There's just no way.
And Noctis asks for a photo to take with him because he's not expecting the bros to be following behind him, so to speak. He's expecting to be the only one that dies that day.
Also, the "I leave it to you" line. I assume he means the remnants of the kingdom and its people, not simply holding off a few Iron Giants for maybe 10 minutes and dying in the process.
Glad, Iggy and Prompto get described in World of Ruin as top-class Hunters who have spent 10 years often working as loners. They didn't fall to 2 Iron Giants with the three of them fighting together.
I dunno, that's not enough for me. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be much more explicit about it.
its one of those things that will be debated. I thought they lived though till GAF and the empty chairs.
true! I feel like this game does a bad job at explaining a lot of the plot.
herminihildo
Member
Ouch. Them the dawn.
Gonna be one of those endings I guess. Unless they patch in shit or provide answers in DLC. I assume they will answer them.
I took it that they actually did die, because if you closely watch Ardyn's reaction when they appear in the afterlife, you can see that after he grimaces, he actually turns his head side to side to look at them - showing that they are actually there in-universe, and not just as symbolism for the player.
SoulUnison
Banned
I think it's just hard to pin down because we're not really given an explicit explanation of what the connection between Daemons and MTs truly is.
All we know is that thy're related to each other in the manufacturing process, somehow.
Perhaps MTs are more cyborg than robot? Humanoid Daemons grafted into cybernetic shells?
Or maybe the Empire figured out a way to guide the growth and evolution of Daemons, and Prompto was Versthals greatest success at a "Human Daemon?"
I'm betting he was some kind of sleeper agent whose programming never managed to activate or was overridden by how he'd made legitimate friends.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
The entire thematic setup of that last chapter indicates that they lived.
The only evidence not in favour of that is interpreting the 1 second anime spiritual friend powerup scene as literal instead of symbolic like it's done in pretty much every other form of media where it's been used imo.
SoulUnison
Banned
They didn't even have to survive that long.
I mean, the walk up to the Throne Room was maybe 10 minutes if I'm stretching it, and Noct would have been hurrying for the bros sake, because either the second the Ring of the Lucii "went off" or Ardyn was killed in the afterlife (which might have been basically simultaneous because of afterlife-y time-wimey stuff) I imagine it wiped out all the Daemons with it. And even if it didn't, it still allowed the sun to rise, and Daemons fade away in the sunlight.
To me the only real question is how long did the bros have to run from Daemons once Noct was dead and they were essentially unarmed, without access to their crystal weapons?
I'm still 100% sure they made it out, though.
SoulUnison
Banned
"I leave it to you."
I like to imagine Lucis becomes some sort of democracy with the Bro Trio heading up different efforts.
Ignis on diplomacy and planning, Gladio on law enforcement and clean up, and Prompto on relief efforts and assisting the survivors.
Something like that.
If you think about it, Ardyn actually won.
SoulUnison
Banned
Got to rule the world for a decade, basically destroyed Insomnia, ended the Lucis Caelum bloodline, destroyed the world's last/only Crystal, and then got the final release of death he'd been planning and waiting for.
Yep. Ardyn's up there with Caius as Final Fantasy villains who got exactly what they wanted.
TEN YEARS IS NOTHING TO HIM!
Also, unless I missed it [I beat the game at 99 hours; not even kidding] where the fuck did Verstael go? Did he become the other devil monster that Iedolas turned into in Chapter XIII? You fought two of them in that chapter...
If Cor is alive (they talk about him after the time skip?) he should be the king
SoulUnison
Banned
If anyone deserves to be in charge it's the Crownsguard Bros who were there with the King until the very end, not a guy who disappeared from the story early on, gets mentions in passing after the time skip, but does nothing to help his King in his final hours.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more aggravating it is that nobody showed up to help Team Noctis out at the end. No Iris, no Aranea, no Cor. Not even a pep talk and "good luck!" at Hammerhead from some of the recurring but not combat-capable characters like Cindy and Cid.
Maybe they figured it was all prophesied anyway so why bother sticking their necks out?
APZonerunner
Member
When people express a dislike for FF7's ending I think it's madness, as FF7's ending is great. Sephiroth is stopped, the planet is clearly saved, but the game is ambiguous as to if humans survived, because as Bugenhagen predicted/theorized early in the game, holy might choose to kill humanity because of how much of the suffering on the planet was inflicted by them. There's the children's laughter at the end too, which is just a hint, but given that it's hundreds of years on it's all really pretty open.
I really loved that ending in its ambiguity. It commanded people to think a bit. Fuckin' killed by the terrible sequel stuff though.
I like FF15's ending for the opposite reason though. After all the bumbling the game does, the ending is very conclusive and plain apart from the question of if the guys are dead (but get real, they are).
Gotta agree to disagree.
Audible Phonetics
Member
No they all died too stopping the Daemons from entering the throne room.
proof they died is they were in the afterword with Noct to stop Ardyn for good.
Interesting people didn't get/understand all the bros died together.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Since the guide mentions he's the biological son of Verstael, I'm gonna assume Verstael cloned himself a bajillion times to make MTs, and Prompto somehow got adopted by Lucian parents despite being one of them.
It's not clear cut. I don't think they're dead. Blue world seems like it's inside the crystal to me. The afterlife is where Noct/Luna get married.
This info is in the guide?!
A couple of questions regarding Ardyn:
- So according to the game, 2000 years ago Ardyn was chosen by the Gods to save Eos from the Starscourge by absorbing him to himself, something that make him become a demon himself and immortal. In the present, Luna as an Oracle has basically the same "job" as Ardyn, heal people affected by the plague, but every time she does this, she become more and more sick. So, why one of them become a demon/immortal and the other one just get sicker and sicker if both of them are doing the same?
- Who is exactly this Izunia guy? According to the game, Ardyn became so "dark" and mad due to the Starscourge that the Gods denied him the throne and the Ascension, and gave it to Izuna. Was Izuna somehow related to Ardyn? Or was just a different family? If that's the case, the line of succesion would be messed up as Noctis' family are not the "real" Lucis Caelum family
- So according to the game, 2000 years ago Ardyn was chosen by the Gods to save Eos from the Starscourge by absorbing him to himself, something that make him become a demon himself and immortal. In the present, Luna as an Oracle has basically the same "job" as Ardyn, heal people affected by the plague, but every time she does this, she become more and more sick. So, why one of them become a demon/immortal and the other one just get sicker and sicker if both of them are doing the same?
- Who is exactly this Izunia guy? According to the game, Ardyn became so "dark" and mad due to the Starscourge that the Gods denied him the throne and the Ascension, and gave it to Izuna. Was Izuna somehow related to Ardyn? Or was just a different family? If that's the case, the line of succesion would be messed up as Noctis' family are not the "real" Lucis Caelum family
APZonerunner
Member
I'm amazed people interpret the ending any other way. I mean, 7 people appear in that 'lifestream' like area at the end, and 4 of them are definitively, definitely dead. It only follows that the appearance of the guys means that they died outside protecting Noctis so he could sit the throne, just as Luna and Regis sacrificed themselves for him and also appear.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Explain them appearing in the after-world with Noct?
The bros survived a battle against a army of daemons on chapter 13 to die against some Iron giants?
And the battle against Ardyn looked to be inside the crystal and not the afterworld, like Cloud vs Sephirot inside Cloud's mind
Depends on if you consider it symbolism or literal. Could be Noct thinking about them or they're with him literally. I assume the former cuz I've seen that in anime before.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I saw it as a power of friendship moment: everyone Noctis cares about is with him in spirit.
See my edit above: I don't think that's the afterlife. It looks exactly like where Bahamut was talking to Noctis. Even if it is the afterlife, I still think it's a symbolic thing.
Yeah
They didn't though and people need to stop saying it.
And if people actually think Prompto is a MT I can't even. Hes just from Niflheim. That's it.
XV's ending would be great for a different game that actually had a competently built up story. As it is, it feels a bit undeserved with its emotion manipulation. The Luna and Noctis Titanic ending was especially not well earned by their relationship in the game. It doesn't come close to FFX's great tear-jerker of an ending that's for sure.