Technoweirdo
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It's amusing how Nino went from top-tier to top-tier sacrifice so quickly. I'm sure a lot of people are glad they pulled her at 5* a few weeks ago either way~
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It's amusing how Nino went from top-tier to top-tier sacrifice so quickly. I'm sure a lot of people are glad they pulled her at 5* a few weeks ago either way~
Yeah I don't know why people are still clamoring for Eirika. With the skill inheritence system EVERYONE can be an Eirika.
Not really, her weapon is still exclusive
Nino's still very good for standard teams, but yeah, Cecilia on a Horse Emblem is just... bananas.
GoldCrusader
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I would wait for another banner. This one's focus is too staff heavy. The other ones arent that good too.
I mean, what else is good as a C skill that isn't Hone Attack?
+3 Atk from weapon, +4 Spd from C Skill, +4 Def/Res from Rally Skill. That's 11 bonus. While it is possible for other heroes to do it, it's not that common.
Man-is-Obsolete
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So would Reinhardt (Goad Calvary), Eldigan (w/ fortify calvary), Elise (w/Hone Calvary), Cecilia w/ Nino's weapon be better than Eirika, Nino, Eldigan, Reinhardt?
I love Calvary but with so many maps having trees it would seem wise to have a mix to get past terrain horses can't. I guess that's where the bonus character would help?
Guys...talk me off this ledge!
If everyone on your team has Hone Attack, then it's kind of the same thing.
Sushen
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Pulling is an addition that I feel compelled if I don't for a few days... 10th level training tower AI got all kinds of skills, geez.
Well, i'd use Gunter over Elise if possible, but yeah that's your basic Calvary set up. And you don't really have to worry about trees; you have more than enough room to weave your way around them.
Here's an example of an all calvary team in action
EDIT: Go with what makes you feel comfortable, and don't do anything that might make you feel regret.
You can give everyone else other skills? Like Threaten Spd/Atk or or savage blow?
You know hone attack doesn't stack right?
The point is Eirika is the best friend for any blade tome user not on a horse.
GoldCrusader
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That's how they get you! I usually wait for a character I find hot to be the focus of the banner. Need my husbandos!
Speaking of banner! When are we suppose to get that special one with Roy and Ike!
Man-is-Obsolete
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Well it would take some time to do anyway (need a couple more seasons of arena) so I will plug away at my 3* Cecilia and rack up some SP in the meantime while I contemplate it. I had a Gunter but Elise can hold her own pretty well. I'd expect neither to attack much, so I'd rather buffbot be able to heal than twiddle thumbs.
I mean the tradeoff is whether you want a red unit that does all this or a unit that can do more than just buff
If you have someone with the same weapon type as Nino yes you would want her. A single unit that can add +11 stats is amazing, that's why people still want her
And people in this thread have posted that Cecilia does the same thing, has more movement speed and has Hone Cavalry. Eirika doesn't do more lifting in this case.
That's only relevant in an all-cavalry team, which most people don't have.
Cecilia forces you into using a cavalry team. This won't get you as many points in Arena under the current system, as cavalry have worse stat totals to make up for their better movement. With Nino, you get to use higher-stat units and therefore get more points in Arena.
I just want to justify keeping my +Spd/-Def Nino. She does her best.
Infernodash
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Of the main characters S to A+ tier who would you have inherit a maxed out poison strike? I'm thinking Nino but he pretty much kills in one blow regardless.
Most people don't have Eirika.
I think Nino is still better tbh, just the flexibility with working drawback and how well it work with a dancer.
Making an optimal cav team is rather feather heavy at this moment.
Technoweirdo
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The best thing about the Pony Emblem comp is just how...effortless it all is. A single C-slot skill on any cavalier can add 18 Atk to a mounted -blade user just by standing next to them at the start of their turn. No need to waste your assist on a Rally, no burning of turn to use said Rally. I'd argue that's the real power of the comp: how everybody in the comp's free to do whatever they wish.
True, not everyone has 4 cavaliers all armed with Hone/Fortify/Spur/Ward Cavalry, but Gunter and Cecilia are free units. If you could build a comp around Nino, you could sacrifice Nino to build a comp around Cecilia. Simply having Gunter near Cecilia gives her 18 Atk. Nino requires someone to burn their turn and that'll give her 12 Atk -at best- if it's not Eirika burning it.
In theory, everyone playing the game just needs to pull Nino to begin using the comp.
Man-is-Obsolete
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This is a good point. It'd be interesting to see how arena score works in practice once the changes take place. I would like a high score but I'm ok sacrificing 500 feathers for a fun team. I'm fortunate to have a 4* Nino that I could sit on for quite some time and have both once I have 30,000+ more feathers. Then I would have the flexibility to run a lot of combinations of characters.
I could have sworn I saw a post a page or 2 ago that suggested that when you merge allies the one you keep inherits the SP from the one that gets sacked. Any truth to this? When I go to merge any weaker ally with a stronger one it always says that the SP gain will be 80 exactly regardless of how much SP is on the ally getting sacked....
Sushen
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That's better than my +atk/-Spd variation.
The blood must spill for the greater good.
Yo, now that skill inheritance has made me lose my mind here are my 2 theorycrafted optimal units.
1. Eldigan: red sword cav (BST: 182)
weapon: Mystletainn(super killing edge)
support: swap/pivot/reposition(all used to guard fragile units)
special: noontime(most frequent healthsteal)
A: fury(boosts total stats by 12 but does damage)
B: quick riposte(patches up poor speed)
C: ward/hone/goad cavalry(great for a cav team)/savage blow(great for breaking up enemy defense and bringing 2hkos to ohkos)
Eldigan's self damage weakness and low speed are mitigated letting his insane BST for a 3 move unit can shine through
2. Jakob: thief (BST: 161)
weapon: poison dagger+(BROKEN)
support: rally res
special: moonbow(very frequent)
A: Close counter(requires close rangers to deal with poison dagger+)
B: Vantage(requires anyone who attacks him to tank with poison dagger+)
C: Threaten def/spd(makes him more deadly on enemy phase)
This kit maximizes poison dagger+ current broken nature, and puts it on the highest BST thief, not 100% sure close counter can be inherited however
1. Eldigan: red sword cav (BST: 182)
weapon: Mystletainn(super killing edge)
support: swap/pivot/reposition(all used to guard fragile units)
special: noontime(most frequent healthsteal)
A: fury(boosts total stats by 12 but does damage)
B: quick riposte(patches up poor speed)
C: ward/hone/goad cavalry(great for a cav team)/savage blow(great for breaking up enemy defense and bringing 2hkos to ohkos)
Eldigan's self damage weakness and low speed are mitigated letting his insane BST for a 3 move unit can shine through
2. Jakob: thief (BST: 161)
weapon: poison dagger+(BROKEN)
support: rally res
special: moonbow(very frequent)
A: Close counter(requires close rangers to deal with poison dagger+)
B: Vantage(requires anyone who attacks him to tank with poison dagger+)
C: Threaten def/spd(makes him more deadly on enemy phase)
This kit maximizes poison dagger+ current broken nature, and puts it on the highest BST thief, not 100% sure close counter can be inherited however
Man-is-Obsolete
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I like renewal 3 on Eldigan. Speed gets mitigated by Eirika or Hone Calvary from Gunter and Reinhardt's Goad Calvary. That allows me to use moonbow on a single charge.
SenorArdilla
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Jafar: 43 - 11 (Deathly Dagger) - 5 (Life and Death) = 27
Kagero: 40 - 5 (Poison Dagger+) = 35
Gaius: 39 - 7 (Rogue Dagger+) = 32
Jakob: 39 - 10 (Silver Dagger+) = 29
Saizo: 38 - 9 (Smoke Dagger+) = 29
Felicia: 33 - 10 (Silver Dagger+) = 23
Matthew: 32 - 7 (Rogue Dagger+) = 25
Kagero: 40 - 5 (Poison Dagger+) = 35
Gaius: 39 - 7 (Rogue Dagger+) = 32
Jakob: 39 - 10 (Silver Dagger+) = 29
Saizo: 38 - 9 (Smoke Dagger+) = 29
Felicia: 33 - 10 (Silver Dagger+) = 23
Matthew: 32 - 7 (Rogue Dagger+) = 25
Man-is-Obsolete
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This is my personal nightmare. I am fretting over every decision worried I am going to screw up something. I put breath of life on murder machine Robin thinking if it works for Felicia and Julia then why not!? I am terrified mistakes were made though. Lol. It's a C skill, so screw it.
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