First Hitman: Absolution reviews hit

Max Payne 3 was the height of Rockstars pretentiousness, they focused more on the story then they did the gameplay and it showed.

Hitmans cutscenes aren't skippable? Oh for fuck sake, this will end up a dissappointment, I'm sure of it.
 
Derrick01 said:
RPS said:
But the action – outbreaks of violence that turn the game from stealth puzzle to cover-based shooter – is intrusive and occurs far more frequently than I’d like. If shootouts are the result of a botched infiltration, a disguise blown or a body discovered, I enjoy their drama and occasional elegance a great deal, but too often they seem the only option, or at the very least, the favourable option. My preferred levels in any Hitman games have always been the ones where a target is unaware of the immediacy of danger, even if well guarded, and goes about a routine. 47 begins at point A and must identify the various routes to a moving target, learning where that target is vulnerable and in what manner he may best be killed.

In what I’ve played of Absolution there are only three areas that do this well.
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10/05/hands-on-hitman-absolution/
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Pff, again that false rockpapershotgun preview.

You can finish every level suit only and Silent Assassin. You are never forced into gunfights. You need to have patience with the game.
 
They'd be screwing themselves with their multiplayer mode if there weren't multiple viable ways to get through missions. I'm not saying RPS is wrong, but that doesn't jibe with what I've seen of the game.
 
Interfectum said:
got any quotes to go along with that?
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My translation may not be accurate, but I'll do my best:

Summary of review is:

"Game offers very solid history, it's polished and it's all fit together. Hitman's going against flow and bring with this for hours."

And a little bit from me, which wasn't published, but I got magazine earlier:

pros: game is hard, very good AI, impressive way of killing, it' very long, feeling of Hitman series

cons: controls may be difficult at the beginning

And yeah, this RPS preview is shit, you can finish EVERY level with Silent Assassin rang.
 
I've got this pre-ordered, but it'll be interesting to see what the reviews say about linearity of some parts of the game, considering the mixed messages we've received.

Can't wait for the MP3 LTTP thread. In fact, I may start it if I get around to replaying it.
 
SonicVolcano said:
Pff, again that false rockpapershotgun preview.

You can finish every level suit only and Silent Assassin. You are never forced into gunfights. You need to have patience with the game.
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Well, they said it's sometimes the most favourable option. And really, in Blood money it was often the easier option to just murder your way through, even if that's ultimately not as satisfying.
 
Derrick01 said:
Read Guesong's comments on the game. It starts with this post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43918417&postcount=56 and proceeds throughout the rest of the thread.

We're getting Hitman Conviction as I feared all along.
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Because one random guy on GAF (who has yet to provide definitive proof that he has the game) says so? So, the 4 professional reviews released so far, which claim that the game is a worthy successor to Blood Money, are completely unreliable, right?
 
DukeBobby said:
Because one random guy on GAF (who has yet to provide definitive proof that he has the game) says so? So, the 4 professional reviews released so far, which claim that the game is a worthy successor to Blood Money, are completely unreliable, right?
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You're going to trust console reviews (exclusive first reviews too) to know what makes a PC franchise good?
 
DukeBobby said:
Because one random guy on GAF (who has yet to provide definitive proof that he has the game) says so? So, the 4 professional reviews released so far, which claim that the game is a worthy successor to Blood Money, are completely unreliable, right?
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Lol at "professional reviews"
 
Derrick01 said:
You're going to trust console reviews (exclusive first reviews too) to know what makes a PC franchise good?
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PCGames, the German website, released their review as well. 8 pages long, 88%, gold award and editor's choice. It's a very good website for those who love PC gaming.
 
SonicVolcano said:
PCGames, the German website, released their review as well. 8 pages long, 88%, gold award and editor's choice. It's a very good website for those who love PC gaming.
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Never heard of them.

Basically if you're still waiting for reviews, which I'm not anymore, wait for RPS.

derFeef said:
The best Hitman was also on consoles.
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They're all on consoles, so what? So is Deus Ex 1 and Morrowind. They're still PC developed games with the PC audience in mind.
 
earvcunanan said:
So, we were going out to eat tonight and we randomly saw a Hitman party bus and decided to check it out.

They had huge HDTVs set up with the PS3 versions on demo. Played it for about 10 minutes so I can't really make a detailed impression. I don't know about being able to have this "vision" where you hold R1 and you can see everything within your vicinity. Wouldn't that make the game too easy?

They gave us some swag after, I'll post pics in a bit. It's a cool little Agent 47 chibi figure.
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How many different ways were there to get inside the bus?
 
I think it's the biggest German game magazine, yeah, a PC only magazine.
But whatever, I don't care much about reviews and even RPS can be weird at times and I do not agree with them. I am not going to cancel my preoder because of those impressions, the game sounds totally fine to me.

Derrick01 said:
They're all on consoles, so what? So is Deus Ex 1 and Morrowind. They're still PC developed games with the PC audience in mind.
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I have no idea what are we arguing about now, to be honest.
 
Guesong said:
You want me to do what? List all the levels? That wouldn't tell you anything. Take a picture of the game? I can't do that. And as far as I know, the game has not leaked on any pirate channel, so I can't have it pirated either.

I'm just trying to get my honest, humble opinion out, because I was seeing alot of questions about the game. You don't have to believe any of what I said, but if you really think I'm lying, I'll accept any perma-ban bet.

Also, I did say it's a solid, 7.5 to 8 game. It really isn't a bad game by any mean, but as I have not played its predecessors, I cannot establish direct comparisons.
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Are you a IO developper ?
Can you detail the rig on which you played the game ? That would be very helpful.
 
I have a feeling that none of the impressions or reviews so far have given the right idea about how much versatility there really could be in a mission. It's not enough to play a Hitman level a couple of times to see the most indicated ways to kill a target. It's usually the countless replays that unveal the most creative options, many of which aren't even intended by the developers. And it has always been easier to simply kill everyone. A silent, stealthy walkthrough should always be the more challenging and thought-provoking way anyway.
 
derFeef said:
I have no idea what are we arguing about now, to be honest.
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That just because a game is on consoles A) doesn't mean it's a console game, although nowadays it does since everyone ports to PC now and B) doesn't mean that console review publications know what the hell they're talking about with these games. They never have in the past so I don't know why they would now. It's sad seeing them review games like Human Revolution and Skyrim and say they're the best in their franchise.
 
Erm, IIRC Max Payne cutscenes are skippable provided the level has loaded, granted, it takes a long fucking time, but you can not watch a full cutscene. Or at least some of them.
 
Guesong said:
You want me to do what? List all the levels? That wouldn't tell you anything. Take a picture of the game? I can't do that. And as far as I know, the game has not leaked on any pirate channel, so I can't have it pirated either.

I'm just trying to get my honest, humble opinion out, because I was seeing alot of questions about the game. You don't have to believe any of what I said, but if you really think I'm lying, I'll accept any perma-ban bet.

Also, I did say it's a solid, 7.5 to 8 game. It really isn't a bad game by any mean, but as I have not played its predecessors, I cannot establish direct comparisons.
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I never said you were lying about having the game. You most likely have the game, but I just cannot be 100% sure that you do. I'm just annoyed that many posters are forming negative opinions about the game, based on your comments alone, even though you claim it's a good game. Suddenly, all of the positive press surrounding the game, including the positive reviews so far, have been completely disregarded by everybody in that thread.

Also, I apologise for the way I came across in my previous comment. Hopefully, that perma-ban bet will not be necessary :P

EDIT: Just seen your latest post in the other thread. Guess that's all the proof I needed.
 
DukeBobby said:
Suddenly, all of the positive press surrounding the game, including the positive reviews so far, have been completely disregarded by everybody in that thread.
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Because they are irrelevant.

I have a precise set of expectations about how a good Hitman game should play and progress, so I don't give a damn if "enthusiast random reviewer #213" thinks it's a very polished shooter and "Who cares about making comparisons with these old Hitman, AMIRITE?".
What he's revealing about the game sounds daunting to me, regardless of what he thinks of it, and yeah: egoistically speaking, my opinion is all I care about.
 
TucoBenedictoPacifico said:
Because they are irrelevant.

I have a precise set of expectations about how a good Hitman game should play and progress, so I don't give a damn if "enthusiast random reviewer #213" thinks he's a very polished shooter and "Who cares about making comparisons with these old Hitman, AMIRITE?".
What he's revealing about the game sounds daunting to me, regardless of what he thinks of it, and yeah: egoistically speaking, my opionion is all I care about.
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If you ask me, it doesn't look as a great game on its own either.
I still had a bit of hype, though...
 
Maybe I'm just in denial, latching onto any praise this game gets, whilst ignoring the reality of what the game has become.

Hearing that only 6 of the missions retain the 'open' structure of previous Hitman missions is really disheartening.
 
I already have it pre-purchased on Steam, but I'm eager to hear/see/read Giant Bomb's coverage of it. They always talk games to death and a decent length Quick Look would go a long way to dissuade a lot of people's worries.
 
DukeBobby said:
I never said you were lying about having the game. You most likely have the game, but I just cannot be 100% sure that you do. I'm just annoyed that many posters are forming negative opinions about the game, based on your comments alone, even though you claim it's a good game. Suddenly, all of the positive press surrounding the game, including the positive reviews so far, have been completely disregarded by everybody in that thread.
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Because his comments prove that it's not a good Hitman game whereas the press is easily prone to not understanding what makes a franchise good or being bought off. He says it's still good but also admits to not playing the other Hitmans so we have to take what he says and balance it against the other Hitman games for him. Linear-ish levels with checkpoints all over them and only a small handful of actual Hitman levels? Ewww.

We're saying all of this "is it Hitman or not" stuff but no one's even worrying about the quality of the traditional levels that are there. The game is not automatically good just because it keeps the formula. It could still be like Hitman but just...suck.
 
justjim89 said:
I already have it pre-purchased on Steam, but I'm eager to hear/see/read Giant Bomb's coverage of it. They always talk games to death and a decent length Quick Look would go a long way to dissuade a lot of people's worries.
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Agreed. Ryan's impressions from E3 got me psyched for this game. Giant Bomb in particular has the second biggest influence in me purchasing a game. The first being, you know, money.
 
From everything we have seen thus far and the recent impressions its painfully obvious this wont come close to blood money. Reviewers and 'journalists' can rave all they want. They are almost never to be trusted anyway.
 
MMaRsu said:
From everything we have seen thus far and the recent impressions its painfully obvious this wont come close to blood money. Reviewers and 'journalists' can rave all they want. They are almost never to be trusted anyway.
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This alone

"“Here [Hitman has] finally been perfected in what is probably a peak for the series so far. It takes the ideas that made the original games so great and presents them in a modern context of checkpoints, hints and forgiveness but without sacrificing any of the challenge, excitement or shivery-skinned thrill of pulling off some impossibly and beautifully planned hit.”"

Is a dead giveaway.
 
Damn that makes it sound so bad. And journalists are probably happy about these changes because it makes the game easier and more accessible.
 
Metalmurphy said:
This alone

"“Here [Hitman has] finally been perfected in what is probably a peak for the series so far. It takes the ideas that made the original games so great and presents them in a modern context of checkpoints, hints and forgiveness but without sacrificing any of the challenge, excitement or shivery-skinned thrill of pulling off some impossibly and beautifully planned hit.”"

Is a dead giveaway.
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just play it on a higher difficulty if you don't want any of that stuff.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=494460

Professional: Purist
This is a challenge for a true perfectionist. You know every rule, every detail, and all environments by heart. Even then you will die trying.

No Help
No guides
No Interface
Only a crosshair
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MMaRsu said:
Damn that makes it sound so bad. And journalists are probably happy about these changes because it makes the game easier and more accessible.
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They definitely are. They're always applauding games that have been streamlined to hell and knocking more complex games. The people who are supposed to be the most hardcore gamers in the industry are actually the most casual.
 
Jackpot said:
People who played it said it makes the game "a pain" rather than challenging.
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maybe they should try sucking less

but seriously, I think everything they've shown since the nun trailer has looked good. It looks like the Hitman I remember.
 
MMaRsu said:
From everything we have seen thus far and the recent impressions its painfully obvious this wont come close to blood money. Reviewers and 'journalists' can rave all they want. They are almost never to be trusted anyway.
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Blood Money had some good things, like the introduction of accidents, but damn, that game was far too easy. The AI was goofy. The confrontation with Mark III was badly designed. Finding the right clothes would get you everywhere. Great level design, though.
 
SonicVolcano said:
Blood Money had some good things, like the introduction of accidents, but damn, that game was far too easy. The AI was goofy. The confrontation with Mark III was badly designed. Finding the right clothes would get you everywhere. Great level design, though.
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It had a few nagging issues but it was still the definitive hitman game.
 
MMaRsu said:
Pro's/ cons?
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They piss on the checkpoint system, which was to be expected. They recommend not using checkpoints at all to get the best experience. According to them, this aspect needs patching...they may have a point.

There is not really a summary with pro's and con's, unfortunately. It's good read nonetheless.
 
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