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First Spider-Man: Homecoming reactions

Slayven

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zeemumu

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The film glosses over his origin, which robs Spider-Man of his inherent tragedy.

Don't most people complain about seeing the origin story multiple times? I know this was a thing for Batman.
 

Astral

Member
I love how most of these reviews say it's a fun movie. That's exactly what I want from a Spider-Man movie. I can't wait.
 

Tobor

Member
Don't most people complain about seeing the origin story multiple times? I know this was a thing for Batman.

Yes. There should be a law passed to never film the origins of Spidey or Batman ever again. I don't want to see those fucking pearls hit the pavement in slow motion. Enough already.

Skipping it is genius. Thank you Kevin Feige!
 
But still, I think these movies don't take enough risks.

Yes, its that risky, ambitious, truly ahead-of-its-time storytelling that superheroes are known and celebrated for throughout the decades.

It's why the most widely-recognized-to-be-legitimately-great superhero story is the one that utterly deconstructs the genre (and also the medium) because to lay bare the simple superficiality of the collective storytelling over 70+ years and ask its fans to really look at the collection of fetishes powering the machine of juvenile male power fantasy is the biggest actual risk you could take.

And since most people can't pay that risk off, and a lot of people are just fine indulging the satisfying mythological rewards that well-done superhero storytelling can provide, I'd put forth the notion that maybe "riskiness" is vastly overrated as a positive quality when it comes to these movies.
 

kunonabi

Member
My man I completely agree Spider-Man 2 is the worst Spider-Man movie.

1 > ASM 2 > 3 >ASM 1 > 2

This movie sounds bad if it's even worse the 2.

I mean I can't stand the Raimi films but that list is all sorts of crazy. Then again, I consider ASM1 to be the best Spider-Man movie so I'm just as batty I suppose.
 
Yes, its that risky, ambitious, truly ahead-of-its-time storytelling that superheroes are known and celebrated for throughout the decades.

It's why the most widely-recognized-to-be-legitimately-great superhero story is the one that utterly deconstructs the genre (and also the medium) because to lay bare the simple superficiality of the collective storytelling over 70+ years and ask its fans to really look at the collection of fetishes powering the machine of juvenile male power fantasy is the biggest actual risk you could take.

bvs was really ahead of its time
 

Dalek

Member
I don't mind not seeing Uncle Ben die again. I just want to know who officially WAS Uncle Ben? Who was Marissa Tomei's husband? John Stamos? Kevin Bacon?
 
Yes, its that risky, ambitious, truly ahead-of-its-time storytelling that superheroes are known and celebrated for throughout the decades.

It's why the most widely-recognized-to-be-legitimately-great superhero story is the one that utterly deconstructs the genre (and also the medium) because to lay bare the simple superficiality of the collective storytelling over 70+ years and ask its fans to really look at the collection of fetishes powering the machine of juvenile male power fantasy is the biggest actual risk you could take.

And since most people can't pay that risk off, and a lot of people are just fine indulging the mythological rewards well-done superhero storytelling can provide, I'd put forth the notion that maybe "riskiness" is vastly overrated as a positive quality when it comes to these movies.

And when that story was adapted to film, it literally just became a juvenile male power fantasy. Complete with gratuitous TnA and an altered ending to delineate a "morally superior" side. And replacing the long, plodding, painful dialogue at the end with a WICKED SICK KUNG FU FIGHT.
 
"It's not risky enough" has always been weird to me anyway.

Like, okay then, what the hell kind of "risk" do you want a movie about a guy who got super powers from a radioactive spider to take?

Make it a rated R horror comedy?
 
"It's not risky enough" has always been weird to me anyway.

Like, okay then, what the hell kind of "risk" do you want a movie about a guy who got super powers from a radioactive spider to take?

Make it a rated R horror comedy?

When you put it that way, would you turn down an adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt?
 
And when that story was adapted to film, it literally just became a juvenile male power fantasy. Complete with gratuitous TnA and an altered ending to delineate a "morally superior" side. And replacing the long, plodding, painful dialogue at the end with a WICKED SICK KUNG FU FIGHT.

Thank you
 

zeemumu

Member
"It's not risky enough" has always been weird to me anyway.

Like, okay then, what the hell kind of "risk" do you want a movie about a guy who got super powers from a radioactive spider to take?

Make it a rated R horror comedy?

They want a bittersweet end, usually. You know, one where they day is saved and everything is fine from an outside perspective but the hero's life is fucked up in some way. It gives the drama a sense of lasting impact when everything isn't resolved by the end of the film. This doesn't work for every story, or even every superhero. I usually think this is a decent path for the 2nd film in a series instead of the 1st
 
"It's not risky enough" has always been weird to me anyway.

It's an interesting interpretation where the brave choice, the "risky" choice, is to make family-friendly concepts exclusionary to anyone in that family that isn't a male aged 15-54 so that people disinclined to step outside of themselves in order to enjoy entertainment not specifically aimed directly at them never have to do that.

And that's how it becomes "risky" to take Transformers and make it a five-movie, 15-hour piss-fetish murderporn series for jingoistic idiots who wanna fuck a hemi.
 
It's an interesting interpretation where the brave choice, the "risky" choice, is to make family-friendly concepts exclusionary to anyone in that family that isn't a male aged 15-54 so that people disinclined to step outside of themselves in order to enjoy entertainment not specifically aimed directly at them never have to do that.

And that's how it becomes "risky" to take Transformers and make it a five-movie, 15-hour piss-fetish murderporn series for jingoistic idiots who wanna fuck a hemi

I said god damn.

Tho having just got back from the last one.

You're not wrong.
 

LotusHD

Banned
They want a bittersweet end, usually. You know, one where they day is saved and everything is fine from an outside perspective but the hero's life is fucked up in some way. It gives the drama a sense of lasting impact when everything isn't resolved by the end of the film. This doesn't work for every story, or even every superhero. I usually think this is a decent path for the 2nd film in a series instead of the 1st

As long as we know....
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
"It's not risky enough" has always been weird to me anyway.

Like, okay then, what the hell kind of "risk" do you want a movie about a guy who got super powers from a radioactive spider to take?

Make it a rated R horror comedy?

It's, like, you guys keep making these great movies that critics and fans like. I wish they would take a risk for once and release a shitty movie.
 

JTripper

Member
Still think ASM is a really solid movie. Raimi's 1 and 2 are my favorites though. God, I'm so excited for Homecoming though.
 
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