Not to mention that if you use it all the time you'll fry your adrenals.
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Not to mention that if you use it all the time you'll fry your adrenals.
Psychotext
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Hello scary fitness GAF, I have a question which I'm hoping someone here can answer (or at least give an opinion on).
I'm back in a fairly basic cardio routine for the first time in a couple of years and something odd is going on. For whatever reason my heart rate is very quickly heading past 85%+ MHR but I'm not getting out of breath. I just did some gentle aerobics (jumping jacks, squats, knee highs, squat thrusts, that sort of thing) and I was able to sustain it pretty well for an hour without really getting out of puff much at all. Limit seemed to be crappy muscle conditioning and just feeling fatigued rather than anything else.
Thought maybe my heart rate monitor was faulty but I checked manually twice and it seemed to be providing an accurate value. I'm quite overweight at the moment and very unfit, so it's not like I'm just blowing through it. Besides, if I was fit I wouldn't be getting such an insane heart rate on moderate exercise.
Strange thing is, once I finished I felt mostly fine, a little muscle tiredness but after a quick break I could have gone on for a good while more. Was the same on my turbo trainer the other day. Heart rate going nuts, but not breathing particularly heavy at all. WTF is going on?
If it makes any difference, I quit smoking a couple of years ago, not long after I quit exercising. Even with the smoking though I was considerably fitter then. Of course, back then my breathing had the good decency to keep pace with my heart.
I'm back in a fairly basic cardio routine for the first time in a couple of years and something odd is going on. For whatever reason my heart rate is very quickly heading past 85%+ MHR but I'm not getting out of breath. I just did some gentle aerobics (jumping jacks, squats, knee highs, squat thrusts, that sort of thing) and I was able to sustain it pretty well for an hour without really getting out of puff much at all. Limit seemed to be crappy muscle conditioning and just feeling fatigued rather than anything else.
Thought maybe my heart rate monitor was faulty but I checked manually twice and it seemed to be providing an accurate value. I'm quite overweight at the moment and very unfit, so it's not like I'm just blowing through it. Besides, if I was fit I wouldn't be getting such an insane heart rate on moderate exercise.
Strange thing is, once I finished I felt mostly fine, a little muscle tiredness but after a quick break I could have gone on for a good while more. Was the same on my turbo trainer the other day. Heart rate going nuts, but not breathing particularly heavy at all. WTF is going on?
If it makes any difference, I quit smoking a couple of years ago, not long after I quit exercising. Even with the smoking though I was considerably fitter then. Of course, back then my breathing had the good decency to keep pace with my heart.
Hello scary fitness GAF, I have a question which I'm hoping someone here can answer (or at least give an opinion on).
I'm back in a fairly basic cardio routine for the first time in a couple of years and something odd is going on. For whatever reason my heart rate is very quickly heading past 85%+ MHR but I'm not getting out of breath. I just did some gentle aerobics (jumping jacks, squats, knee highs, squat thrusts, that sort of thing) and I was able to sustain it pretty well for an hour without really getting out of puff much at all. Limit seemed to be crappy muscle conditioning and just feeling fatigued rather than anything else.
Thought maybe my heart rate monitor was faulty but I checked manually twice and it seemed to be providing an accurate value. I'm quite overweight at the moment and very unfit, so it's not like I'm just blowing through it. Besides, if I was fit I wouldn't be getting such an insane heart rate on moderate exercise.
Strange thing is, once I finished I felt mostly fine, a little muscle tiredness but after a quick break I could have gone on for a good while more. Was the same on my turbo trainer the other day. Heart rate going nuts, but not breathing particularly heavy at all. WTF is going on?
If it makes any difference, I quit smoking a couple of years ago, not long after I quit exercising. Even with the smoking though I was considerably fitter then. Of course, back then my breathing had the good decency to keep pace with my heart.
Obviously if you're concerned about health implications, consult a doctor.
From my personal experience, high heart rate and being out of breath don't necessarily go hand in hand at all times, in particular when you're out of shape. Stuff you consider to be light cardio could not feel very strenuous but shoot your heart rate way up, until you get more fit.
joeblackisback
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Yeah, be careful how low you go. I'm the same height. Last year when I was losing weight, I dropped down to 173-174. Not only did basically everyone say I looked unhealthy, one friend who hadn't seen me in a while asked if I had contracted super aids. I'm now between 185-190, and no one mentions aids anymore.
Psychotext
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I was there today, he said little more than "get more fit" (didn't seem concerned). Was just interested in what the fitness heads here had to say on the matter.
Having a high heart rate wasn't surprising at all to me. Not getting out of breath was. I've always assumed that the two go hand in hand (your body obviously struggles for oxygen when you spent too long in the anaerobic zone).
I think I might spend some more time on the bike where it's easier to stay in certain zones. That way I can make sure I spend a reasonable amount of time in the aerobic zone. Plus, I'm generally far less likely to recover as it's constant exercise rather than stop start / muscle reliant.
Having a high heart rate wasn't surprising at all to me. Not getting out of breath was. I've always assumed that the two go hand in hand (your body obviously struggles for oxygen when you spent too long in the anaerobic zone).
I think I might spend some more time on the bike where it's easier to stay in certain zones. That way I can make sure I spend a reasonable amount of time in the aerobic zone. Plus, I'm generally far less likely to recover as it's constant exercise rather than stop start / muscle reliant.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
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parrotbeak
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So you were doing like a circuit of different body weight stuff? No rest in between? I used to do a circuit of body weight and it was pretty grueling. Stuff that is easy by itself gets a lot harder when you do a bunch of other different types of movements strung together with no rest in between. It would only take me 20-30 minutes though, would never do that kind of workout for an hour. I would also put in balancing and core exercises as "rest" points.I was there today, he said little more than "get more fit" (didn't seem concerned). Was just interested in what the fitness heads here had to say on the matter.
Having a high heart rate wasn't surprising at all to me. Not getting out of breath was. I've always assumed that the two go hand in hand (your body obviously struggles for oxygen when you spent too long in the anaerobic zone).
I think I might spend some more time on the bike where it's easier to stay in certain zones. That way I can make sure I spend a reasonable amount of time in the aerobic zone. Plus, I'm generally far less likely to recover as it's constant exercise rather than stop start / muscle reliant.
If you know your muscles are not conditioned and think that may limit your exercises, you might want to consider strength training. That will also likely tax your heart, often uncomfortably, but with proper programming, rest and recovery, you get used to it. Crave it even. It is also much easier to track progress with a simple strength program like what is in the OP.
With a circuit of lots of exercises, it's hard to keep track of everything. You can't tell how much you're really improving conditioning and how much you are just getting "better" at pacing to lessen discomfort.
Psychotext
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I don't think I've ever had that happen. I used to be very fit (going back about 8 years) for competitive kickboxing, but I don't think I've ever found the idea of weights particularly appealing. Exercise, maybe, but only if you count mountain biking and DDR.
It'll be a while before I consider doing weights again, I'll be happy enough getting relatively fit rather than aiming to be anything more. Used to take up way too much of my life, and I run a business (or two) now so that's really not an option unless I fancy giving up on sleep!Edit - Oh, and probably a minute or two in between sets. Just to rearrange some stuff (limited space) and grab a sip of drink.
sebajuNujabes
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From my experience, being out of breath is a combination of improper breathing habits and lack of conditioning. The latter is self-explanatory but as for the former: I had(and am still working on eliminating) a bad habit of holding my breath. It's a common thing to hold it when exerting force or not timing your breathing with the movement. Even now(with my cardiovascular health being much better), I still find myself out of breath fairly early in my cardio or parkour training if I forget to do it properly. Breathe in on impact, breathe out on exertion.I was there today, he said little more than "get more fit" (didn't seem concerned). Was just interested in what the fitness heads here had to say on the matter.
Having a high heart rate wasn't surprising at all to me. Not getting out of breath was. I've always assumed that the two go hand in hand (your body obviously struggles for oxygen when you spent too long in the anaerobic zone).
I think I might spend some more time on the bike where it's easier to stay in certain zones. That way I can make sure I spend a reasonable amount of time in the aerobic zone. Plus, I'm generally far less likely to recover as it's constant exercise rather than stop start / muscle reliant.
Did you take your pulse, or just go by the heart rate monitor? I don't put a lot of stock in those things.Hello scary fitness GAF, I have a question which I'm hoping someone here can answer (or at least give an opinion on).
I'm back in a fairly basic cardio routine for the first time in a couple of years and something odd is going on. For whatever reason my heart rate is very quickly heading past 85%+ MHR but I'm not getting out of breath. I just did some gentle aerobics (jumping jacks, squats, knee highs, squat thrusts, that sort of thing) and I was able to sustain it pretty well for an hour without really getting out of puff much at all. Limit seemed to be crappy muscle conditioning and just feeling fatigued rather than anything else.
Thought maybe my heart rate monitor was faulty but I checked manually twice and it seemed to be providing an accurate value. I'm quite overweight at the moment and very unfit, so it's not like I'm just blowing through it. Besides, if I was fit I wouldn't be getting such an insane heart rate on moderate exercise.
Strange thing is, once I finished I felt mostly fine, a little muscle tiredness but after a quick break I could have gone on for a good while more. Was the same on my turbo trainer the other day. Heart rate going nuts, but not breathing particularly heavy at all. WTF is going on?
If it makes any difference, I quit smoking a couple of years ago, not long after I quit exercising. Even with the smoking though I was considerably fitter then. Of course, back then my breathing had the good decency to keep pace with my heart.
Psychotext
Member
Other way around. Not out of breath when I think I should be.
Checked it manually a few times to be sure. It was reading accurately (it's a fairly high end one and it's done me well for many years).
Psychotext
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Anyway, very early days on starting again. I imagine my body is just reconfiguring somewhat. Will report back in a few weeks.
parrotbeak
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Ya, hard to say. Your body probably still paces your breathing well from your kickboxing days.
I get high heart rate (no monitor, just feel very uncomfortable) sometimes while running hills and I'm not really out of breath.
I get high heart rate (no monitor, just feel very uncomfortable) sometimes while running hills and I'm not really out of breath.
I'm not sure that is correct. You SHOULD be holding your breath when you are exerting yourself in such a way that you are putting strain on your back. The reasoning behind it is that you increase your abdominal pressure which "braces" your back.
A second thought, I think I read somewhere that when you are struck (like in boxing and stuff) you should exhale before you are struck.
I have no idea how this relates to parkour, I know that when I run I tend to time my breaths to my steps (it takes me 2 steps to inhale, and two more to exhale) And when I swim I obviously have a strict breathing schedule.
sebajuNujabes
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As far as I know, what I've said applies to ground locomotion. In boxing, weightlifting, and swimming, there's another element working against you. In parkour, I know breathing in on contact/absorption to be incredibly effective. Say, for instance, I'm about to perform a tic tac(fancy way of saying kick off a wall onto something) to land on a railing. I've got to breath out on lift off, in when making contact with the wall, out when pushing off the wall, and in when I land on the rail. It establishes a tempo for breathing. Holding your breath makes you overcompensate and makes you tense up, which can get you seriously hurt. The last thing you want is pressure when your landing on concrete. I'm not sure how applicable it is to everything, but aerobics isn't too far away from that.
I will agree with you on the boxing thing, though, since I've heard similar. I think it protects the organs better.
Quick question about Wendler's 5/3/1. You're supposed to calculate your sets based on 90% 1RM, but what do I do if my gym doesn't have the 1.25lb plates? I can only lift in multiples of 5, but the calculated weight for the set sometimes ends up at, say, 77. Do I just round up to 80?
Doesn't matter. Round up or down once when determining where to start. Afterwards all of your jumps will be either 5 or 10 pounds.
Luscious LeftFoot
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Do you have the e-book? It has a template for all that.
But yeah round up or down.
Remember though, 5/3/1 is supposed to be an intermediate/advance lifting program, as such, the gains are relatively slow. If your lifts are around 77lbs, you'd see much better gains with a novice/beginner program.
FallingEdge
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I saw this mentioned a few pages back but in addition to the traditional compound lifts, I am starting to implement chins/pullups in my routine. Dips as well. Now, I want to add pushups but I really have no problem doing 3x20. I need more variety/resistance. I know there are a ton of variations but is there a site or can someone tell me what are the more effective ones?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
So, I may be seeing things, but since I've upped my whey intake to 3 double serving shakes a day I feel like I'm losing fat. I don't know if it's in my head or something else is contributing but I definitely feel like I'm getting thinner. I haven't changed my diet at all except for that. I'm wondering if perhaps I was under consuming protein before.
Shit's got me wondering what's up.
Shit's got me wondering what's up.
- Decline push-ups - Put your feet on a chair, on a stool, or even high up on a wall for a more aggressive angle.
- Close-grip pushups - Form a diamond with your hands or otherwise put them together during pushups.
- 1/2 one-arm pushups - Since I'm guessing neither of us can do this, with your feet together like a normal pushup put one hand in the middle, place a basketball under your chest/abdomen and the reduced ROM makes it more palatable.
Those are my go-to movements for pushup variations, and any of them should be more difficult than doing a set of 3x20 of the standard pushup.
I like dips more given the ease and ability to add more resistance.
I've been working on this progression in addition to my normal lifting. This was posted a few pages back.
http://gymnasticbodies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=418
Extremely challenging for me at 250lbs, but I'm somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd step in the progression. This along with trying to L-sit... It's definitely giving the core a supplemental workout which feels great.
Also with a basketball or similar... you can do pushups on it. Start with one hand on the ground and one hand on the ball... do a pushup... transfer weight when you're back at the top and do your next rep with both hands on the ball... then next rep with the ball under the other hand then back to center... repeat repeat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIu8LKTVq9I -- Like this but I do it without putting my knees on the ground when going to center.
Ugh. Enough with this already. You think that eating something "unhealthy" is going to giver everyone cancer. I can eat stuff like that rather frequently and I still have a "six pack" and maintain good shape. I'm 30 years old. A little extra calories isn't going to kill ANYONE, especially people who put in regular hard physical effort.
I've been doing a SS variant, but I kept burning out at around the same point. Trying something different to see how it works.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I've continued making some great progress with my calisthenics routine. For the past three weeks I have been able to do a perfect handstand out of an L-sit on parallel bars, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcIkkK4_wgs
(Not me in the video.)
Feels good, man. Still working on holding the handstand; the balance at the top is the most difficult part, as you might imagine. But I'm getting there. I remember only a month or two ago I couldn't even lock out my arms when upside down, but now I do it with ease. Love having people ask, "Hey, are you a gymnast?" at the local park.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcIkkK4_wgs
(Not me in the video.)
Feels good, man. Still working on holding the handstand; the balance at the top is the most difficult part, as you might imagine. But I'm getting there. I remember only a month or two ago I couldn't even lock out my arms when upside down, but now I do it with ease. Love having people ask, "Hey, are you a gymnast?" at the local park.
Luscious LeftFoot
Member
You'll see good progress with it.
For example, I saw my bench go from 225-275 in around a year. Not as fast as some people would like, but the flexibilty of the program works well for me.
Rabbitweed
Member
Here's one short but effective pushup work out with 10 different pushups. I do this myself every now and then if I don't have that much time to work out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC123-LSStA
JoJoShabadoo
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So I'm really skinny, only weigh 122 pounds (at 5'7) but it's definitely better than what I weighed about 2 months back (113 pounds). So my diet has been working, and I've been working out with free weights and have already noticed results (nothing big, but it's noticeable).
I'm mostly focusing on my arms and broadening my shoulders, but I'm working out everything, including legs and abs. But I realized that I haven't really been doing anything for my forearms. Anyone know any good exercises?
I've yet to sign up to a gym, for now I'm just working out with 10-15 pound dumbbells, doing some push-ups, crunches, leg exercises like squats and lunges, and jogging. Is it necessary to sign up to a gym still, or can I keep this up for a while longer? (Until the 15 pound weights don't do much for me I guess) Or maybe I was thinking of keeping up with these exercises but also signing up to some swimming classes. Not sure what would work more in my favor.
I'm mostly focusing on my arms and broadening my shoulders, but I'm working out everything, including legs and abs. But I realized that I haven't really been doing anything for my forearms. Anyone know any good exercises?
I've yet to sign up to a gym, for now I'm just working out with 10-15 pound dumbbells, doing some push-ups, crunches, leg exercises like squats and lunges, and jogging. Is it necessary to sign up to a gym still, or can I keep this up for a while longer? (Until the 15 pound weights don't do much for me I guess) Or maybe I was thinking of keeping up with these exercises but also signing up to some swimming classes. Not sure what would work more in my favor.
Echoes of Pink
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I remember when I was doing the 2 scoop shakes at night, I'd wake up in the morning and feel really dried out. This always made me look thinner because my body was probably using more of my water weight to process the extra protein. At least that's what I've always believed it was, but I'm not an expert.
From Wikipedia:
"Protein attracts water and plays an important role in water balance. In cases of severe protein deficiency, the blood may not contain enough protein to attract water from the tissue spaces back into the capillaries. This is why pictures of starving people often show an enlarged abdomen. The abdomen is swollen with edema or water retention caused by the lack of protein in their diet.
When the capillary walls are over-permeable (too leaky), protein can leak out of the blood and settle in the tissue spaces. It will then act like a magnet for water, continuously attracting more water from the blood to accumulate in the tissue spaces."
If you've added another 2 scoop shake (~50 grams of protein) or one more scoop to each shake (~75 grams of protein), then that would be a decent increase assuming you're already probably eating a lot of protein.
I would suggest reading the OP. Many of these questions, and more, are answered there.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Well I do creatine too, I don't wake up feeling thirsty/dried out tbh, I wake up and drink my Tully's french roast or Kona blend asap.
I do 1 double serving shake at breakfast, one right after workout and one right before bed.
And yeah, my diet is also pretty decent with protein.
Whatever is going on, I like it.
Also, the trainer with the amazatron ass was in the gym today. My god her ass is mythical. The stuff of legends I tell you.
Echoes of Pink
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Well I do creatine too, I don't wake up feeling thirsty/dried out tbh, I wake up and drink my Tully's french roast or Kona blend asap.
I do 1 double serving shake at breakfast, one right after workout and one right before bed.
And yeah, my diet is also pretty decent with protein.
Whatever is going on, I like it.
Also, the trainer with the amazatron ass was in the gym today. My god her ass is mythical. The stuff of legends I tell you.
Well that wouldn't be the first time someone's body went crazy for a woman. ; )
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I'm not kidding when I say this girl has no fat on her and you could probably set a 6 pack on her ass and it wouldn't fall off.
parrotbeak
Member
Is that the butter face though?
There was a girl in short shorts doing squats yesterday with a big fat ass. It had a great shape, kinda fatty but I don't mind that at all if the overall shape suggests muscle underneath.
There was a girl in short shorts doing squats yesterday with a big fat ass. It had a great shape, kinda fatty but I don't mind that at all if the overall shape suggests muscle underneath.
Did some deadlifts in rage mode last night after playing basketball with some shitty people, and by golly did I crush them. I'm still cautious about the weight I lift (because I just started DL), but I ended up at 165 with good form.
Where should I be putting my legs? Spread wide outside my arms, or inside them?
Where should I be putting my legs? Spread wide outside my arms, or inside them?
Price Dalton
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Both are valid ways to deadlift. Legs outside arms - sumo deadlift, more upright torso, easier on the back. Legs inside arms - conventional deadlift, requires a bit more flexibility. I'd say whatever feels best for you.
Luscious LeftFoot
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How do you know if you're doing them with proper form in you're uncertain where to put you legs?
Sumo deadlifts legs spread wipe, conventional deads legs inside your arms.
alright, I think I'll try out the legs close together and see how it feels. Thanks.
The only reason I'm not sure about the legs is because I was taught to do them sumo-style, but then I see people doing them with legs between their arms. So I'm just a bit curious. I've had people check my form, and they say its fine. Plus my back doesn't hurt, so thats a plus right?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah, it's the butterface.
Do you two go to the same gym or something?
parrotbeak
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No, I just remember random things that people say.
Jason's Ultimatum
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edit-not worth it
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Nah, I've talked about her before.
You tease.
Same thing here. OHP didn't effect it at all though. Strangely.
So I know my deadlift is lagging behind (since I wasn't using a mixed grip until very recently, but do these numbers seem good for someone who has been following the Beginner OP routine for about 6 months now?
Squatting 280 3x5
Bench 205 3x5
Deadlift 280 1x5
OHP 140 3x5
Power Cleans 150 3x5
Those are all my big lifts. I'm up to about 5-7 pullups a set as well. I just want to be sure I'm not slacking on anything and that these numbers are keeping on track.
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