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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs
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FallingEdge
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Yup. Like the video and I mostly feel it in the quads. Hip area as well.
I did a 1RM @ 315 in August. After Vegas, I got lazy and whatnot. Started a new routine and a new diet and deloaded.
HarryHengst
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Yeah, dont try to imitate him and expect the same results. :lolAnyone heard of Herschel Walker, some former NFL star and now MMA guy?
He only eats one meal a day, which is a soup and a salad. very little protein:
http://www.zimbio.com/Herschel+Walk...Herschel+Walker+Diet+Workout+Push+ups+Routine
And only does body weight workouts.. wtf how can he be so ripped by just doing all that shit? He does do a lot though everyday:
* 750 to 1,500 Pushups
* 2,000 to 3,500 Situps
Still, I don't get it. may be hes got good genes.
Also, the whole story sounds like complete bullshit, because the human body definitely doesnt work that way. Or he really is that one in a billion person with mutant genes i guess.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
K, thanks man!
Right, and if true, scientists need to study him.
He only eats one meal a day, which is a soup and a salad. very little protein
lol
I'm about to head to the gym, where I'll be deadlifting. As I've said before, I just started, so I'm at 205lbs. Would it be a good idea to just work out at 205 today before moving up in weight, so that my body gets acclimated to picking up lots of weight? The last couple times I DLed, I just added 5-10 pounds each set, doing 5x5. Chances are I'd end up around 225 today, but my elbows hurt (from lifting the weight I think).
SO should I stay or should I go?
SO should I stay or should I go?
cuevas. PhD.
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If you just started you should be doing 45lbs to work on your form.
It's been a couple weeks, and I've had someone I trust checking my form each time but once. I"ll probably just leave it at 205.
Maybe they're too wide then? I made a slight adjustment on my grip to make it more comfortable. I'll ask some dudes today.
It could also be from the OHP I did on Saturday (which I rectified my form for yesterday I think), and just aggravated by having 200lbs hanging from them.
Your elbows hurt from dead lifting? I've never heard of that one before.
Anyone heard of Herschel Walker, some former NFL star and now MMA guy?
He only eats one meal a day, which is a soup and a salad. very little protein:
http://www.zimbio.com/Herschel+Walk...Herschel+Walker+Diet+Workout+Push+ups+Routine
And only does body weight workouts.. wtf how can he be so ripped by just doing all that shit? He does do a lot though everyday:
* 750 to 1,500 Pushups
* 2,000 to 3,500 Situps
Still, I don't get it. may be hes got good genes.
That article is horseshit. The author doesn't even have a real name or website.
here's an interview with him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46o0to59LIY
he says his workout regime.
Also him on his diet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odKC4x-61E People on other forums says he doing something similiar to the "warrior diet".
FallingEdge
Member
Fast for 20 hours, eat for four. Basically, get all your calories/macros in that four hour window.
cuevas. PhD.
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Your legs should be a little less than shoulder width apart so you don't have to bend as low to grab the bar.
Anyone heard of Herschel Walker, some former NFL star and now MMA guy?
He only eats one meal a day, which is a soup and a salad. very little protein:
http://www.zimbio.com/Herschel+Walk...Herschel+Walker+Diet+Workout+Push+ups+Routine
And only does body weight workouts.. wtf how can he be so ripped by just doing all that shit? He does do a lot though everyday:
* 750 to 1,500 Pushups
* 2,000 to 3,500 Situps
Still, I don't get it. may be hes got good genes.
I call BS unless we can see what's in the content of that soup and salad.
He is probably eating couple of pounds of chicken in the salad and soup.
Nah I meant my arms, but I just got back and the 205lbs was the perfect weight, and I asked a different guy on each set about my form and they all said it was good. I'll have someone take a video of me doing it on Friday so I can judge myself.
Also, bench was amazing today. 135x5 warmup, 165x5, 175x5, 185x5, 190x5, 185x5. Needed help with the last rep on 190, and that's it. Felt so good. Probably do that progression again for a couple days, see where I'm at. OH and it probably doesn't mean anything, but this girl that's coming home for winter break just poked me on facebook. I'm going to poke her.
parrotbeak
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Haha, ya, I understood you fine. Thanks, I will check these out. I definitely don't need to add a shoulder injury to my problems.
BlueScrote
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I rewatched the Rippetoe hip thrust video from a couple pages ago and focused on that while squatting today. The hip thrust motion when coming out of the squat seems to take a lot of pressure off of your back since you it forces you to keep tight. Feels good.
cuevas. PhD.
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The way you stand will affect the way you can hold the bar, if you have a wide stance as if squatting you are going to have a wider grip.
As someone who fasts for 16 hours and eats for eight, this sounds like an incredible test of will. I suppose I could get used to such a thing, but most people I reveal my eating habits to think I'm crazy so it's all relative.
Same here. One girl thought my metabolism was going to "shut down" because of that. It does make hitting your macros and caloric needs hard though.
Depends on the person. I knew about Rippetoe when I started and people swore up and down at me that I was being stupid for not doing it.
I went from 95 lb bench to 275 in 2 years, similarly from never squatting to 3 plate maxs. I very HIGHLY doubt my progress was hindered by not following the almighty Rippetoe's strategy.
What my point was, dedication and hard work is the crux of getting stronger. Not a program.
Herschel Walker is full of shit. I've heard radio guys talk to his former teammates and they said he's sneak burgers and shit at night.
Nobody said you had to follow Ripptoe's program, however I'm a scrawny guy and in 6 months went from never squatting before, to squatting nearly 300lbs 3x5, so yes, I'd wager your progress was hampered quite a bit by having no real tried-and-true program. In that same time I now bench 210 3x5. Even with minimal progress I'll be well beyond your squat numbers in less than half the time. A program does a lot more than you seem to want to believe.
All these posts make me realize I should get with the program and well.. get with the program.
My gym sessions while they feel productive when I go sure, it just feels like I'm going just to say I'm going. I go without any real direction except what muscle group to focus on, and do some random exercises based on what is free during gym primetime. Perhaps that'll be my new years resolution, since I've been doing ok with actually going to the gym and keeping it up now for over a year.
My gym sessions while they feel productive when I go sure, it just feels like I'm going just to say I'm going. I go without any real direction except what muscle group to focus on, and do some random exercises based on what is free during gym primetime. Perhaps that'll be my new years resolution, since I've been doing ok with actually going to the gym and keeping it up now for over a year.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
What's to say you wouldn't have seen quicker/better progress with an established program though?
It's just as easy to throw out your anecdotal evidence as it is for you to throw out programs.
They exist for a reason, they work, they set an established routine that ensure overwork won't become an issue and allow for transition based on time/experience, they were carefully "crafted" over years by the best in the lifting community. They serve a very good purpose.
You coming in here acting like they are some kind of smoke and mirrors bullshit is just going to piss a lot of people off, but that may be your purpose in the first place.
Personally I don't use any specific program, but I do use the ideas from multiple programs in what I do. However, I wouldn't dare say that programs are overblown, overused needlessness.
My initial point wasn't to come in and arbitrarily bash programs like Rippetoe it was more so to say that hard work and dedication will take you pretty fucking far. But I do think it's utter bullshit that people will discredit your time in the gym with "oh you did it wrong, and if you followed this arbitrary guideline you would be stronger".
Everybody is different, and I'll have to agree to disagree with everyone apparently
cuevas. PhD.
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You can dig up a pine with a trowel if you're dedicated.
Cool story
If you had followed a program, you would be stronger. Nobody is saying your time in the gym was a waste, just that you could have accomplished MORE with LESS time if you followed a proven method. 3 plates on your squat in 2 years isn't impressive at all. You could be much farther along, bigger, and stronger. It's great that you're satisfied with "good enough". Some of us want to achieve more than that.
cuevas. PhD.
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Go look at the 5x5 stronglift testimonials, most people can get up to 315 squat in a year. Starting at 45 lbs. They probably aren't doing hard work though!
I know I thought I knew what I was doing but when I got into a strict program -and was dedicated to it, not missing a workout- my progress skyrocketed.
Programs establish consistency, which is key. As long as you're consistent in what you do, it doesn't really matter, unless you're doing stupid/useless shit. The programs in the OP happen to be good examples of what to do, and if you do them consistently, you win. I didn't follow them at all from May to mid-November. I got a lot stronger, but since then I've been focusing on the compound lifts (minus Squats), and my gains have increased dramatically. At the rate I'm going, I'll be benching 225 within a month.
The programs are GOOD consistency, and they help FOCUS your energy on the lifts that matter most (compound). There's really nothing wrong with following them.
EDIT: forgot numbers.
May - 95lb Bench. Maybe 8 times, then done.
Mid-November - 160lb Bench, 5x5
Today - 165, 175, 185, 190, 185 x5
So, 65lbs in 7.5 months. 25lbs in like 25 days? This is doing OHP, Deads, Bench, Incline, as well as Arms twice a week. That's it. All 5x5.
A wise man once said, "I know I thought I knew what I was doing but when I got into a strict program -and was dedicated to it, not missing a workout- my progress skyrocketed." True for me too.
The programs are GOOD consistency, and they help FOCUS your energy on the lifts that matter most (compound). There's really nothing wrong with following them.
EDIT: forgot numbers.
May - 95lb Bench. Maybe 8 times, then done.
Mid-November - 160lb Bench, 5x5
Today - 165, 175, 185, 190, 185 x5
So, 65lbs in 7.5 months. 25lbs in like 25 days? This is doing OHP, Deads, Bench, Incline, as well as Arms twice a week. That's it. All 5x5.
A wise man once said, "I know I thought I knew what I was doing but when I got into a strict program -and was dedicated to it, not missing a workout- my progress skyrocketed." True for me too.
You dont know how big I am or anything about me. Nobody would think to call me average in real life or even in the gym among all the roid monkeys who do Bench + Arms only. A 3 plate squat might not blow anybody out of the water but it's not like everyones goal is to be a power lifter. Ya'll are hilarious though, it's like you shouldn't even work out if you dont follow a pros program. Ridiculous
Just because you didnt follow someone elses plan doesn't mean you didnt have a plan. It's not like I walked in to the gym and decided I'm gonna do random shit
If you need to believe that, that's all well and good. Like we said, if you're ok with having mediocre results, then we're happy for you, and the results you've posted, they are mediocre. On a program designed to maximize results you'd have seen those results in far less time. But keep telling yourself that isn't the case so you can feel better about just showing up to the gym and doing whatever you'd like.
You're right, nobody would call you average, because the results you posted are well BELOW average for anyone on a serious program.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
No one here is saying that. We are just saying it's not optimal. Just because you don't want to be competing in powerlifting doesn't mean you don't have to follow a program.
So you studied athletes and how they trained for years to come up with your plan? These guys know what they're talking about. You are going to get results if you put the time in the gym, it's pretty simple. Doing something is better than nothing, that doesn't mean that "something" is good.
Yes because every random joe can bench 275 squat 315 and deadlift 405 with 20 months in the gym. Sure thing bro
Listen, the people who create those programs are not just random dudes. These are people who have been lifting weights before you were old enough to walk. They know what they are talking about and their programs are popular today because they work.
Right now you are telling me, that YOU, some dude who thinks he's an expert because he visits body building forums and squats 3 plates, knows more about this stuff than these guys. Get over yourself. Had you done a program that was proven to work, you would have had better gains. That's all we're saying here. And this is not about being a power lifter or anything like that. This is about getting the best results and being the most efficient possible. You want to get 1/2 the results in 2x the time? Go for it. But don't diss the people who want to do it right.
cuevas. PhD.
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Not every random joe can do those. Most people who put in the hard work for 20 months would have higher numbers.
No. But anyone on a program would be putting up much more impressive numbers. You're comparing yourself to other disorganized people who are half-assing it. We are comparing you to people on a program. Compared to them, your numbers are mediocre.
He is 6'5 and 290lbs.
Those numbers aren't just mediocre, they are pitiful for 2 years of effort.
Let that sink in. This guy weighs 290lbs, and in 2 years squats 315. I've been lifting for 6 months, and squat nearly the same. And you're benching your body weight after 2 years. Impressive *eyeroll* Yeah, that no program thing is working out great.
My point wasn't that I'm the fucking badass be all end all when I first posted in this thread. It was to say that you could make very good gains comparable to those of people who do follow strict regimented sets/reps as long as you know the core lifts, do them with strict form, eat right, and stick with it. But I guess I'm a chump. I'm done here. God forbid someone advocates doing something besides the Rippetoe starting strength program or the zealots will jump down your throat telling you how wrong you are
Shifting to a new topic -- any Intermittent Fasting followers use the Two Pre-Workout Meal protocol?
I leave my house every work day at 6:30 AM and don't walk into the door until 6 PM -- so the above protocol seems to be the best choice. 1:30 PM I break my fast, then around 6 PM I have my pre-workout meal and then at 8-9 PM when I get back from the gym I have my largest meal.
Currently I am hovering around 190 after I peaked at 193 around Thanksgiving. I am looking to Recomp although in the LeanGains Guide it doesn't say anything specific regarding over calories for Recomp as opposed to Fat-Loss or Clean Bulk -- he says that will be in his book eventually.
Anybody know more about what LG Recomp entails? I assume the +20% workout day calories with 75% carbs/25% fats and then -20% on rest days with 50% carbs/50% fats is similar for Recomp, Fat-Loss, or Clean Bulk but only calories are manipulated.
I guess Recomp just = Maintenance calories but just incase .. want to be sure.
I leave my house every work day at 6:30 AM and don't walk into the door until 6 PM -- so the above protocol seems to be the best choice. 1:30 PM I break my fast, then around 6 PM I have my pre-workout meal and then at 8-9 PM when I get back from the gym I have my largest meal.
Currently I am hovering around 190 after I peaked at 193 around Thanksgiving. I am looking to Recomp although in the LeanGains Guide it doesn't say anything specific regarding over calories for Recomp as opposed to Fat-Loss or Clean Bulk -- he says that will be in his book eventually.
Anybody know more about what LG Recomp entails? I assume the +20% workout day calories with 75% carbs/25% fats and then -20% on rest days with 50% carbs/50% fats is similar for Recomp, Fat-Loss, or Clean Bulk but only calories are manipulated.
I guess Recomp just = Maintenance calories but just incase .. want to be sure.
cuevas. PhD.
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Damn, I was 290+lbs 5'11. Lost 115 lbs so far in a little over a year and have similar stats.
Hmm...
I know reilo was doing leangains.
nvm not worth it
There's the problem. Your results are not comparable. At all. Your results are absolute shit. You are 2 years in and guys on SS for 6 months are blowing past you. You're trying to make a point that is blatantly false, and your own experience proves it so.
Bro, if you are 290lbs and only putting up those numbers, you must be more fat than anything.
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