cuevas. PhD.
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Could you feel it in the gym?
Usually most people have trouble with intermittent fasting for mental - rather than physical - reasons, hunger pangs aside. For the first week or two it takes a level of adaptation and discipline to ignore those first hunger pangs, which for me could be alleviated with some diet soda or black coffee. The body gets used to a certain eating schedule, and for me I won't feel hungry unless I really, really screw up my last meal of the night before (i.e. finishing the night off with simple carbs rather than fat and protein).
But stuff like LeanGains and Cheat Mode aren't for everyone. I like that Martin Berkhan doesn't trumpet IF or LG as the Holy Grail of fitness nutrition, but simply as another viable option. Some people need six squares, others can do with one to three.
But stuff like LeanGains and Cheat Mode aren't for everyone. I like that Martin Berkhan doesn't trumpet IF or LG as the Holy Grail of fitness nutrition, but simply as another viable option. Some people need six squares, others can do with one to three.
entremet
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Here!
Magazines are mostly garbage because they're owned by supplement companies. Focus on fundamentals and learn the compounds lifts. The links in the OP are great.
Grainless is easy and better for you if you want to lose fat. Get your carbs from milk, potatoes or sweet potatoes, or other tubers.
I read the following blogs--google them. I'm too lazy to post links right now.
70s big
Theory to Practice by Keith Norris
Mark's Daily Apple
Think my previous post got lost in all the discussion, so forgive the re-post:
Hi, I'm thinking about switching my exercise routine from primarily based on cardio - running 6 days a week - to strength based. Read and re-read Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training and loved it! Going on saturday to get the form down and maybe establish how much my work sets should start out at. I'm kind of apprehensive that I'll look stupid - especially with the empty bar - but I suppose we all have to start somewhere.
I'm 5ft5in and weigh 138 pounds. I already eat clean, drinks tons of water and generally stay away from junk food. Currently I get around 150g of protein from meat based sources. I normally get 2000-2500 calories a day.
The big change is going to be drinking the milk to increase the calories and protein. I'm looking to increase my calorie count - closer to 3000 - and probably look into protein shakes.
I'm kind of scared but in a good way. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Hi, I'm thinking about switching my exercise routine from primarily based on cardio - running 6 days a week - to strength based. Read and re-read Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training and loved it! Going on saturday to get the form down and maybe establish how much my work sets should start out at. I'm kind of apprehensive that I'll look stupid - especially with the empty bar - but I suppose we all have to start somewhere.
I'm 5ft5in and weigh 138 pounds. I already eat clean, drinks tons of water and generally stay away from junk food. Currently I get around 150g of protein from meat based sources. I normally get 2000-2500 calories a day.
The big change is going to be drinking the milk to increase the calories and protein. I'm looking to increase my calorie count - closer to 3000 - and probably look into protein shakes.
I'm kind of scared but in a good way. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
xuchu - Protein shakes are great for getting those extra calories and protein. Right now, I'm doing casein protein shakes at night - with milk/avocado/greek yogurt/banana - lots of calories and maybe too much sugar but it's really tasty. Adding a glass of milk or two with every meal will help you a lot. Just drink water in between meals. At your height and weight, it shouldn't be too hard to gain some muscle if you keep at it. And don't worry about people judging you at the gym, nobody really cares unless they want to help you.
you blend the avocado? and do you use plain greek yogurt? they have those big tubs of chobani. your shake sounds amazing, just not sure about the avocado. are you using just straight up, non flavored casein?
I use chocolate casein and vanilla chobani but I think plain greek yogurt would be fine. The avocado makes it really good imo but I've always loved normal avocado milkshakes. Some people don't usually associate avocado with sweets but it's common in southeast Asia. It of course increases the thickness and fat content but that's why I do it. When I do it, it's usually 1 avocado for 2 glasses worth of milk, otherwise it'd be too thick.
cuevas. PhD.
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I think it's a pretty advanced fitness lifestyle too. That's why I worry when people in the weight loss thread recommend it to people who are just starting to get in shape. You need to build up some self discipline and break through those mental barriers before you try and do some sort of IF.
Urban Scholar
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Definitely, I see some friends mention it and I ask are you even training or going to the gym on a regular? It's a mountain to climb & it's certainly not for everyone.
No my bench press stayed steady and my DL and Squats went up a little.
But I have only been doing DL and Squats for 2 months now so that's to be expected.
I don't feel it much at the gym, mainly because I drink a ton of water during the workout and it leaves my stomach feeling full. However once I leave the gym it's mandatory that I eat something within 30 minutes or else I feel flat out awful.
I'm going to start doing 1 week on-off with intermittent fasting, I can't do any sprint work while fasting since it'll cannibalize my gains from the gym.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Nothing wrong with avocado. I've been using it for years. It makes the shake creamy. I use ice, milk, banana, strawberries, sliced avocados, almond butter, and vanilla whey protein.
BTW, my DL form was better today. Didn't cut my shins. Just left like a redmark and that's it.
The only problem with DLs, whether I have shitty form or bad form, my nut sack always feels it. It only lasts for a day, but still, lol.
BTW, my DL form was better today. Didn't cut my shins. Just left like a redmark and that's it.
The only problem with DLs, whether I have shitty form or bad form, my nut sack always feels it. It only lasts for a day, but still, lol.
cuevas. PhD.
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Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Why not just start your fast at night instead of skipping breakfast?
Domino Theory
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Yeah I know, I've been on Leangains for 11 months. I just stop eating around 9-9:30pm every night and start eating around 3-4 the following day.
I've gained two pounds since August, but lost 7% of my bf during that time. It also happened to be around the time I started having larger meals with more carbs at dinner because of this: http://www.leangains.com/2011/06/is-late-night-eating-better-for-fat.html
Leangains is fun.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
cuevas. PhD.
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Start wearing a cup.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
WUT?!?!?
Am I the only one wondering how the fuck his nuts are getting hurt?!?
Last thing I expected was advice on it!
Dude must have giant pendulum nuts.
His balls latch onto the bar, like a third hand, and help with the lockout. It's a secret technique only known by the world's best deadlifters.
Anton Sugar
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It just depends on your body. Short legs and short arms=yeah it hurts.
cuevas. PhD.
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My incline and bench have probably a 30 lb difference if I were to max. If you're going to bench warm up with bench.
parrotbeak
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I'm loving the lying tricep extensions, except for the bloody nipples afterward. I was thinking of doubling up on the sweaters.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
What. The. Fuck.
You guys are blowing my fucking mind today.
I'm really hoping you took what happened with the nuts thing earlier and are running with it.
BlueScrote
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I'm about ready to order more whey protein powder. Up until now I've been using the EAS Whey (chocolate) mixed with water:
I know a couple of people here use the optimum nutrition whey. How do the chocolate/double chocolate taste when mixed with water? The price doesn't seem significantly different and the nutrition doesn't seem too much different either (to my untrained eye).
I know a couple of people here use the optimum nutrition whey. How do the chocolate/double chocolate taste when mixed with water? The price doesn't seem significantly different and the nutrition doesn't seem too much different either (to my untrained eye).
Taste decent enough with milk, why use water?
First SS workout today and I had a lot of fun! I was scared that people would laugh at me but lots of people were helpful. Although, one person told me to look at the ceiling while doing squats. One person also said you'll find your own form for the deadlift. :S
Nobody really does squats or deadlifts and the people who doing bench presses were doing it on a machine. One person who was giving me advice was a big behemoth who was doing shoulder presses with what looked like heavy, heavy weights! He said he's been training for 2 years but said he never bothered with deadlifts. :S
I'm from the UK and don't really know if the plates are in kgs or lbs, should've asked someone.
After warming up with the empty bar, my numbers were:
Squat - 15 on each side 5x3
Bench - 10 on each side 5x3
Deadlift - 20 on each side 5x3
Pullups - bodyweight 6x3
I know these look light but I want to takes things slow and steady. The first workout is supposed to be about form anyway right? How long should I rest b/w sets? I took around 30sec-min break, but that may just be because of the light weights. Should I be doing pull-ups or chin-ups as assistance exercises? How much should I increase the weight in the next workout?
Nobody really does squats or deadlifts and the people who doing bench presses were doing it on a machine. One person who was giving me advice was a big behemoth who was doing shoulder presses with what looked like heavy, heavy weights! He said he's been training for 2 years but said he never bothered with deadlifts. :S
I'm from the UK and don't really know if the plates are in kgs or lbs, should've asked someone.
After warming up with the empty bar, my numbers were:
Squat - 15 on each side 5x3
Bench - 10 on each side 5x3
Deadlift - 20 on each side 5x3
Pullups - bodyweight 6x3
I know these look light but I want to takes things slow and steady. The first workout is supposed to be about form anyway right? How long should I rest b/w sets? I took around 30sec-min break, but that may just be because of the light weights. Should I be doing pull-ups or chin-ups as assistance exercises? How much should I increase the weight in the next workout?
I havn't been in a couple of weeks but yep, it is going to be PACKED for a couple of weeks at the gym before they drop off.
cuevas. PhD.
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I had to wait for the first time in a while for a rack. The guy doing curls and tricep extensions on one of the power racks asked if I wanted to work in, I politely declined.
entremet
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Yeah. Same. I hate January, but it does clear up nicely in by March, like clockwork. I never use the cardio machines anyway.
Curling 2.5 pounds DB for 100 reps annoys me more. But I never give unsolicited advice to anyone at the gym.
Jason's Ultimatum
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When I meant my nuts hurt, I meant as in when you sometimes lift something up, you feel a bit of straining.
I'm not even sore going back to DLs. It's funny, because I'm doing 225 5x5 routine, and I'm huffing and puffing and sweating.
I'm not even sore going back to DLs. It's funny, because I'm doing 225 5x5 routine, and I'm huffing and puffing and sweating.
Jaladinozozo
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You should be careful, that type of pain can turn into something worse like a hernia...
Jason's Ultimatum
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Yeah, maybe I'll stop DL'ing then.
entremet
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Anyone knows what's the best way to improve rep volume on pull ups and chins? I've been maxing out at 5 until failure. I usually do them at the end of my compound work--squats, dls, bench, press. But I've been reading that doing them throughout the day is actually better--like getting one those pull up bars for your door frame.
I did a test run of a typical LeanGains workout day.
Stopped eating yesterday at 9 PM and at around 12:30 PM today I took 30g of whey protein and went to the gym. I felt fine all day, and felt fine throughout the gym as well. Just got back home now and downed a big protein shake and about 10 sugar cookies the parents made. Taking a shower than going to down half dozen eggs and my sweet potato hash browns.
I am not sure if it's just placebo, but I felt very good in the gym. No digestion issues conflicting with my workout always makes it better. I felt more energetic, and smashed through my exercises achieving the weights I set out to get with no problems.
I know this is just 1 day and I'm sure if I do this for real I might not feel as good to start off but it's good to know I can at least do it sporadically.
All I need to do is write down a few sample meals to eat for LG and I think I might start after Xmas.
Stopped eating yesterday at 9 PM and at around 12:30 PM today I took 30g of whey protein and went to the gym. I felt fine all day, and felt fine throughout the gym as well. Just got back home now and downed a big protein shake and about 10 sugar cookies the parents made.
Taking a shower than going to down half dozen eggs and my sweet potato hash browns.I am not sure if it's just placebo, but I felt very good in the gym. No digestion issues conflicting with my workout always makes it better. I felt more energetic, and smashed through my exercises achieving the weights I set out to get with no problems.
I know this is just 1 day and I'm sure if I do this for real I might not feel as good to start off but it's good to know I can at least do it sporadically.
All I need to do is write down a few sample meals to eat for LG and I think I might start after Xmas.
I did a test run of a typical LeanGains workout day.
Stopped eating yesterday at 9 PM and at around 12:30 PM today I took 30g of whey protein and went to the gym. I felt fine all day, and felt fine throughout the gym as well. Just got back home now and downed a big protein shake and about 10 sugar cookies the parents made.
I am not sure if it's just placebo, but I felt very good in the gym. No digestion issues conflicting with my workout always makes it better. I felt more energetic, and smashed through my exercises achieving the weights I set out to get with no problems.
I know this is just 1 day and I'm sure if I do this for real I might not feel as good to start off but it's good to know I can at least do it sporadically.
All I need to do is write down a few sample meals to eat for LG and I think I might start after Xmas.
I have experienced no issues on an empty stomach while doing Leangains. Although, I will leave the caveat that you probably shouldn't go much longer than 16 hours on an empty stomach before working out. I'm thinking one would experiencing diminishing returns at that point.
Good to hear. Yeah I think I was about 15 hours or so.
I wouldn't be doing it for fat-loss specifically, maybe recomposition but most likely straight muscle gain. I know the differences between those goals will be outlined in Martin's book. Anyone know when that's supposed to be released?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
205 standing press 3x5 today.
Unfortunately though I have pain in my left elbow. Probably overdid tris this week.
That doesn't sound right bud.
Maybe just re-evaluate how you're doing them, or lower the weight?
Unfortunately though I have pain in my left elbow. Probably overdid tris this week.
That doesn't sound right bud.
Maybe just re-evaluate how you're doing them, or lower the weight?
goldenpp72
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Hey, I have dabbled in weight training off and on over years with minimal results. I recently started a gym membership a couple weeks ago and feel so weak compared to everyone else. I am a skinny frame guy but I also have a bit of a gut (not huge, but i'm not skinny like a rail either).
I have thin arms, can't bench much, and have been practicing form and using the routine called max OT (this employs doing a lot of compound movements with 2-3 minute breaks inbetween sets, reps 4-6, etc). My diet has consisted of eating 4-5 times a day, somewhere near 2000-2300 calories a day, as well as using creatine, optimums 2:1:1 recovery shake post work out (this seems really helpful) as well as optimums weight gainer.
Today, I weigh myself and I seem to be about 5 pounds heavier than I was 2 weeks ago, however, I notice no strength gains and fear I might just be gaining fat rather than muscle. So i'm reaching out to people here, what should I be doing from a workout routine stand point, should I be trying to cut my body fat down, what kind of numbers should I be aiming for? I was trying to gain muscle in hopes that when I gain a good bit, I can cut and have an easier time cutting from a more muscular build, yet I don't feel any change in strength and feel bloated more in the gut than prior -_-
I'm in no way an expert on this, and it's why i'm using these months to try and learn what I should be doing, I mean, i'm skinny but not quite that twig guy, I weigh 160 as of today and am 5'10 in height, yet looking at myself I think I could healthily lose 20 pounds and still not have defined abs.
I'm definitely not in the worst shape or anything, but I have a fear of not only wasting my time but also making myself fatter with no other gain, any advice? I'm trying to devote the year of 2012 to really getting my act together with weight training. Thanks!
I have thin arms, can't bench much, and have been practicing form and using the routine called max OT (this employs doing a lot of compound movements with 2-3 minute breaks inbetween sets, reps 4-6, etc). My diet has consisted of eating 4-5 times a day, somewhere near 2000-2300 calories a day, as well as using creatine, optimums 2:1:1 recovery shake post work out (this seems really helpful) as well as optimums weight gainer.
Today, I weigh myself and I seem to be about 5 pounds heavier than I was 2 weeks ago, however, I notice no strength gains and fear I might just be gaining fat rather than muscle. So i'm reaching out to people here, what should I be doing from a workout routine stand point, should I be trying to cut my body fat down, what kind of numbers should I be aiming for? I was trying to gain muscle in hopes that when I gain a good bit, I can cut and have an easier time cutting from a more muscular build, yet I don't feel any change in strength and feel bloated more in the gut than prior -_-
I'm in no way an expert on this, and it's why i'm using these months to try and learn what I should be doing, I mean, i'm skinny but not quite that twig guy, I weigh 160 as of today and am 5'10 in height, yet looking at myself I think I could healthily lose 20 pounds and still not have defined abs.
I'm definitely not in the worst shape or anything, but I have a fear of not only wasting my time but also making myself fatter with no other gain, any advice? I'm trying to devote the year of 2012 to really getting my act together with weight training. Thanks!
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
1. Don't worry about what other people are doing.
2. Read the op.
3. Post in the suggested template.
4. Welcome to the thread.
cuevas. PhD.
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Step 1: change this mentality. It's not a 1 year thing.
Step 2: read op
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