Buckethead
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Appreciated and understood.
I PMed certain people and addressed my feelings in the post above.
Hopefully we can forgive and move on.
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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs
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I PMed certain people and addressed my feelings in the post above.
Hopefully we can forgive and move on.
I answered you, but the bottom line is: you asked a question, and the correct answer was given. You then posted some other workout similar to the one you were already told was crappy, instead of listening to th advice given. When this happens, it isn't fitgafs job to continue badgering you, as you truly arent willing to help yourself.-
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Regarding above and "everyone is different". No, beginners really aren't. You aren't a special snowflake, you need exactly what 99.9% of people need, and until you accept that, you wont progress.
Relevant reading material:
Leangains - Fuckarounditis
It's been reposted several times, but only because it's both hilarious and true.
Leangains - Fuckarounditis
It's been reposted several times, but only because it's both hilarious and true.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I fucking did it. Bench press 3x5 315. I remember when 315 was a 1rm goal last holiday season. Fuck yeah!!!!!'
entremet
Member
So good. I love Martin Berkham.
HarryHengst
Member
That photo of the author on the Leangains site never stops confusing me. I keep thinking its a dude with an inflatable suit on.
Wway to go Shogun. Keep it up big guy. Fuckawesome.
Something like Convict Conditioning would do because it still adheres to many of the same principles that barbell training does. You can still lift heavy shit through low reps and high sets, you just have to change the leverage of your body to add resistance.
And how are you able to cancel your membership and still deadlift in the gym? That could be a dream come true. Walk in and deadlift, then walk out and continue with your program of chins, dips, push-ups, leg raises and pistol squats.
I should really find a suitable alternative to the OP program with bodyweight resistance. It comes up a lot, and all I added was some information on a few key lifts. I suppose it is because I could fathom so many different ways to put it together. That, and I've never had to depend on bodyweight resistance exclusively for more than a week or two at a time, so I can't personally vouch for optimum results with such methods.
Ok well I'll give it a try and see how it goes, but probably not for a month (when my membership ends).
As for why I can...well I'm pretty good friends with the evening/overnight people haha. Plus I used to work there myself, so a few of the members know me and will let me be their guest
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Thanks man! And right before I turn 31. Age ain't got shit on me!
Lamel
Banned
I think the beginner routines in the OP are just for bulks mainly, he is trying to cut. I think this is where the main confusion is; the OP really doesn't talk much about cutting.
Anyway, the beginner routines should still work for the weight lifting, they are very good. But what you need to do is to eat less, up your protein and fats. Also do HIIT. That's basically it.
Cutting has nothing to do with his routine and everything to do with diet. As stated every time this comes up, lift heavy, do compound lifts, eat clean, and you will gain muscle and lose fat. Its that simple.
What always gets me is Tom Platz. His legs were unreal:
Now those are the kind of legs you can squat 495lbs for 23 reps with!
Dark Phoenix
Member
Well, I've recently started up Convict Conditioning last week after dropping out of it early about a year ago. My first week went well, first step of push-ups and leg raises were a little harder than I remember and step one of squats and pull-ups were just as easy.
For some reason though this week when I did my ab work (knee tucks), my legs burned more than my abs did even though I used the same technique last week and my abs got the most work. I hope I can fix this next week.
For some reason though this week when I did my ab work (knee tucks), my legs burned more than my abs did even though I used the same technique last week and my abs got the most work. I hope I can fix this next week.
I literally started cracking up in the middle of the food court. Amazing.
That's how that kind of exercise has always been for me, ever since I did P90X and Insanity til now. Bicycles and the crunchy frogs and the like, they always burn my hips and my quads up. But my abs hurt like a bitch too. So I think that's to be expected.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
lol
I'm not your friend and I don't give a fuck about your personal baggage. This isn't some emotional self help thread, it's a fitness thread. Take that shit somewhere else, no one cares about "emotional" excuses, let alone excuses at all.
Lamel
Banned
That's what I told him.
But sometimes just telling someone to read the OP isn't the best advice, the OP is pretty general I have to say. When I started it took be a good amount of time to grasp all the content in the OP...so for beginners you can imagine it's pretty daunting.
It's even mentioned in the OP that the information is pertinent mainly to hardgainers. Not everyone has those same goals. Maybe the thread should be re-titled "Starting strength |OT|".
Nevertheless, Buckethead should frequent this thread AND the weight loss thread...because coming only to this thread is only half of what he needs.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Dark Phoenix
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Here's the part that didn't exactly happen for me today. My abs were hurting a lot more last week than today. I hardly felt anything there today; even though I'm pushing past intermediate and added another set.
Now I know to expect the leg burn, thanks.
parrotbeak
Member
I think better advice is, erase everything you think you know about fitness and then read the OP. And if you think it's not for you, you didn't erase everything.
Exactly. Regardless of his goals, the SS routine is the right one to build a base to work from. This is a marathon not a sprint, and having the right base to build on is key.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Have you tried slow digesting forms of protein?
Like Casein? Can't stomach the stuff. It never helped that much either, but probably because I didn't take enough. The texture makes me want to vomit.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Try a handfull of almonds or Cottage cheese then?
I usually do my protein right before bed (literally) but I don't do casin, I just do whey.
As long as you have some right before you go to sleep you shouldn't be kept up hungry, but that's how I work. I'm starting my "cut" next week. But to be honest, all I'm doing is cutting out the "dirty" food and eating healthy at the same times.
How aggressive is your cut in terms of calories deducted from your maintenance? If it's pretty aggressive that could be making things difficult.
I fill the void with tea and espresso usually. That won't help you going to sleep hungry, but that's why I don't eat in the mornings and finish my evenings with a solid meal. Perhaps naturally decaffeinated or herbal tea could suffice? It's hard for me to say because if I keep things slow and steady, like 500 calories from my maintenance consumption, I don't get hunger pangs.
Thing with me is I'm generally lean, eat well, and I do a lot of cardio, so my metabolism is always racing. I've tried cottage cheese, Casein - I'm hungry within minutes. The only thing that consistently works for me is grains, but I'm trying to cut grains as much as possible.
I'm trying to find a general principle to work with, because my diet collapses due to the fact that once my body fat gets to a certain percentage, the hunger becomes too great. It causes me to lose sleep (I don't sleep well as is) and once my sleep/wake routine is disturbed - eveything goes to shit.
So, I guess I'm gonna try a fiber supplement and see how that works for me.
I'm trying to find a general principle to work with, because my diet collapses due to the fact that once my body fat gets to a certain percentage, the hunger becomes too great. It causes me to lose sleep (I don't sleep well as is) and once my sleep/wake routine is disturbed - eveything goes to shit.
So, I guess I'm gonna try a fiber supplement and see how that works for me.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Sounds like you're restricting too much to me, perhaps you're trying to go too quick?
Restricting what? Calories?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah.
Maybe, but I don't think so. I don't calorie count, but I get in 5 small meals a day with excess of 300 grams of protein, 4-5 servings of veggies, fruits etc. I'm generally always hungry within 30 minutes or so after eating, unless it's something high in fiber, or I slack on my routine and my metabolism slows down.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Don't take what I'm saying like I know wtf I'm talking about. I'm simply having a conversation. I know jack shit about actually cutting, but if I was feeling as hungry as you're describing I would think I wasn't eating enough and be in fear of losing muscle.
There's definitely other guys in here that know way more about that stuff.
How's your water intake?
Have you tried intermittent fasting? I imagine that you eating a bunch of small, unfullfilling meals throughout the day otherwise. I couldn't imagine eating cottage cheese and not being full afterwards. A whole tub is usually only 400 calories, and consumed slowly that fills me up for sixteen hours.
Oh, and have you tried cutting the amount of cardio you are doing? If you're draining your caloric intake and trying to expend a great amount on cardiovascular activity, it's only natural that something would give.
FallingEdge
Member
Okay, after getting 5 reps @ 155 for OHP, I barely get 3 for 160. I attribute that to being a bit tired and lazy this past weekend but what can I do to increase my OHP? Shrugs?
Went back to Layne Nortons program, and did my 2nd day of chest (+arms), didn't really space it out much since I did power day on Sunday but I said what the hell:
Bench
135x10 warmup
135x15x2 (speed reps)
Incline dumbbell bench
70s x 15 (speed reps)
100s x 10
115s x 8
60s x 12 (speed reps)
Hammer strength chest press
180x10
270x8x2
Incline dumbbell flys
50s x8x3
Seated overhead dumbbell extension
70x13 (speed reps)
90x8
110x6
120x4
Tricep cable pulldown:
150x10x3
Preacher curls
Not sure what the bar weighs so I'll just list the plates
25x10
35sx10
45x6
Chin ups (Not easy for 252lbs lol)
8
6
5
Dips
10
8
8
All of this on a mostly empty stomach, had a protein shake before going to the gym to break my fast. So far, intermittent fasting hasn't shown a big difference in my weight, but my waistline is rapidly decreasing and I feel my strength is going up. I am getting a little discouraged with my arm development, I mentioned it in the weight loss thread but my arms are long and despite my lifts they really don't seem to be growing much in mass.
Bench
135x10 warmup
135x15x2 (speed reps)
Incline dumbbell bench
70s x 15 (speed reps)
100s x 10
115s x 8
60s x 12 (speed reps)
Hammer strength chest press
180x10
270x8x2
Incline dumbbell flys
50s x8x3
Seated overhead dumbbell extension
70x13 (speed reps)
90x8
110x6
120x4
Tricep cable pulldown:
150x10x3
Preacher curls
Not sure what the bar weighs so I'll just list the plates
25x10
35sx10
45x6
Chin ups (Not easy for 252lbs lol)
8
6
5
Dips
10
8
8
All of this on a mostly empty stomach, had a protein shake before going to the gym to break my fast. So far, intermittent fasting hasn't shown a big difference in my weight, but my waistline is rapidly decreasing and I feel my strength is going up. I am getting a little discouraged with my arm development, I mentioned it in the weight loss thread but my arms are long and despite my lifts they really don't seem to be growing much in mass.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Assistance exercises.
I do incline bench, front raise, lateral raise for OHP assistance.
Press is your entire shoulder, so pick your assistance exercises accordingly.
That said, I do believe it's mostly the front delt that's doing the work.
Are you doing them standing?
FallingEdge
Member
Yes sir. Standing OHP. I already do incline on bench days but I will look into front and lateral raises.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah, the way I do front raises is to pick a weight I can do 5-8 times lock myself in place and reach "through" the wall in front of me.
Lateral raises do them with a weight you can do the same (5-8 times) and lock your shoulder blades together the entire time (imagine a gripping a tennis ball in between your shoulders while doing them. The entire time.
Curious, are you doing shrugs?
I do. I do 3 sets of barbell and 3 sets of dumbbell. (I position the dumbbells back more.)
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Does anyone know what Daniel Craig's workout routine looks like? I know he mentioned that he doesn't bench press, and was quite intrigued. There are sites out there comes up with shit on their own, which are false.
I've tried finding a site, but maybe one of you guys read something on him in the past.
I've tried finding a site, but maybe one of you guys read something on him in the past.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
His chest isn't very big though is it? He always struck me as just a guy with low body fat. Who probably does pushups and runs.
textbook Beefaroni rage.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Jesus Christ, check yourselves people. This is a fitness thread not a bodybuilding, powerlifting, cross country, or anything specifically. The OP covers the basics but even the most experienced lifters can still learn. IMO this thread is just for us to clear things up for people, recommend other workouts, and help clean up their mistakes.
Increasingly the regulars in here are treating every newcomer like they're Combine. Stop it.
Increasingly the regulars in here are treating every newcomer like they're Combine. Stop it.
No, when someone comes in, is given proper advice, and then disregards it entirely in favor of what they "heard" or some workout their "bro" at the gym said would get them ripped, they deserve to be called out on it. Everyone here is always willing to help those who are willing to listen and want to help themselves. If its obvious they are disregarding the OP and other sound advice given, then forget them.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You need to go back and read from where it began, like Petrie said. Dude was given given advice and came back disregarding it, then he came back in with his emotional bullshit.
And no one has been as bad as Combine, thank god.
It's all dat hidden testosterone.
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