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It's the roid rage going around.
Buckethead
Banned
Since we're calling spades spades - how's this...
I know nothing about lifting weights, you know nothing about communicating like a reasonable adult. Enjoy your abrasive, knuckle-dragging attitude - it won't get you far in life.
Actually I'm trying to learn.
I've applied several things I learned from the OP and many posters here regarding nutrition.
Regarding weight lifting I'm getting conflicting information from a personal trainer who is very fit that I know and trying to sort some of that shit out.
I never said my routine was better/working fabulously whatever... I was putting myself there looking for honest feedback without people jumping down my throat.
I asked people to take a look at it and give me their reasoned, mature thoughts but apparently that's too much to ask.
Say to me "Bucket... what you've been doing is whack... check the OP because isolation sucks as it says and you need to be rocking the compound" or something like an adult.
Instead I got hyper-aggressive, childish, and condescending responses with no attempt at looking at things differently.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
I'm not talking about 1 guy, it's becoming a trend and those who lurk the thread are going to stop asking for help. I know I'm not innocent of what I'm accusing everyone else of doing but if we don't change how we react to people this thread will just be a few guys in a circle jerk.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
fuck me, double.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You realize all you're doing is exactly what you're accusing him of doing, right?
Now not only are you the guy who doesn't listen when someone tells you what you're doing wrong, you're also now the guy who calls everyone else an asshole while being an asshole himself.
Do yourself a favor, since you've read the OP and I'm assuming you're going to go from one of those routines. Forget this shit happened and make your next post about how you did with the routine, how it felt, and what else you should do to improve.
Just don't ask for advice, then reply with "but....." and definitely don't make excuses.
Then perhaps we need a giant "READ THE OP" in red on the first page along with "If you're going to ask for advice don't find reasons to find it "wrong" and don't make excuses."
I think it's just the annoyance of it happening over and over that makes people edgy.
There's been plenty of new people come in that don't do this, but the overall majority don't read the op, throw their "plan" at us and assume we will say "Sounds good bro!"
Is he your personal trainer? What are his qualifications? Just because he's fit doesn't really mean he's doing anything right and any jackoff can get a personal training cert.
None of us know anything for certain, we just try to go by what the "greats" espouse. The best thing you can do for yourself is read the op (which you have) watch some rippetoe videos, read starting strength, learn who the big names in lifting and fitness are and try to apply what they think/say into what you're doing.
No one is perfect, no one has it right, but if you go by those who are successful you have a better shot at it.
Also, machines/isolation exercises as main routines are a fucking no no. Don't do that shit. If you want to (down the road) do some isolation AFTER your main lifts, go for it.
cuevas. PhD.
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That's because on gaf no one reads fucking OPs. Look at the build a pc thread.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
EVERYONE! CALM DOWN and look how AWESOME I look.
cuevas. PhD.
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New season in a couple weeks, can't wait!
Buckethead
Banned
That's what I was trying to do with the first post on this page, then people reopened the can of worms.
I came in here knowing my routine was not good, compound is better, blah blah blah.
But no one tried to even ask me that. Or if I read the OP (I did I have). Instead I got what I said above...
Sort of. He lives in another city so maybe not "personal".
Bachelors in Health Fitness, Certified Personal Trainer, & some other degree not sure.
GAF may be qualified but their bedside manner could use a shitload of work...
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
My washing machine is broke, can I use your abs?
To be fair, had you read the op you would have seen that machines/iso are not the right move and thus wouldn't probably have posted your routine.
Anyway, time to move on.
Also, read my edit above.
2nd SS workout today! Did workout A again to really nail down the technique and to really establish the weight my worksets should start out as:
Squats 65kg 3x5
Bench 42.5kg 3x5 - two guys who were giving me advice urged me to give 60kg a go at first, could barely get 3 reps
they also said to widen my grip, doesn't rippetoe discourage this?
Deadlift 80kg 1x5 - the bar was rolling at the top of the lift, is this normal? do I need a tighter grip?
Are these okay to start off with for a person who is 5ft5in 62kg.
Looking forward to learning the press and power clean in a couple of days. How many kgs do I need to increase them in the workout? Also, I've been steadily increasing my milk intake but...its caused me to go to the toilet more often. >.< Does this mean I'm lactose-intolerant (I don't think I am) or will my body eventually adapt to the milk?
Squats 65kg 3x5
Bench 42.5kg 3x5 - two guys who were giving me advice urged me to give 60kg a go at first, could barely get 3 reps
they also said to widen my grip, doesn't rippetoe discourage this?Deadlift 80kg 1x5 - the bar was rolling at the top of the lift, is this normal? do I need a tighter grip?
Are these okay to start off with for a person who is 5ft5in 62kg.
Looking forward to learning the press and power clean in a couple of days. How many kgs do I need to increase them in the workout? Also, I've been steadily increasing my milk intake but...its caused me to go to the toilet more often. >.< Does this mean I'm lactose-intolerant (I don't think I am) or will my body eventually adapt to the milk?
parrotbeak
Member
Are you even going to remember posting this tomorrow?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Ok, now what's he telling you that "conflicts?"
Aww shit, cross post from the blackout thread.
Shit just got real.
2nd SS workout today! Did workout A again to really nail down the technique and to really establish the weight my worksets should start out as:
Squats 65kg 3x5
Bench 42.5kg 3x5 - two guys who were giving me advice urged me to give 60kg a go at first, could barely get 3 reps
Deadlift 80kg 1x5 - the bar was rolling at the top of the lift, is this normal? do I need a tighter grip?
Are these okay to start off with for a person who is 5ft5in 62kg.
Looking forward to learning the press and power clean in a couple of days. How many kgs do I need to increase them in the workout? Also, I've been steadily increasing my milk intake but...its caused me to go to the toilet more often. >.< Does this mean I'm lactose-intolerant (I don't think I am) or will my body eventually adapt to the milk?
KGs make my brain hurt.
Don't worry about what's "good for a person hight/weight" when starting off. Know that that's what you did, and you didn't get hurt. That's what's important. A month or two down the road evaluate your progress and then ask. Don't get ahead of yourself bud.
Edit: No the bar should not be rolling, and no, you shouldn't be warming up with a weight you can only do 3 times.
Am I reading you right?
Also, I bench wide grip (index finger on the outside rings).
J Tourettes
Banned
That squat seems a little high considering you only weigh 62kg, how did you find them?2nd SS workout today! Did workout A again to really nail down the technique and to really establish the weight my worksets should start out as:
Squats 65kg 3x5
Bench 42.5kg 3x5 - two guys who were giving me advice urged me to give 60kg a go at first, could barely get 3 reps
Deadlift 80kg 1x5 - the bar was rolling at the top of the lift, is this normal? do I need a tighter grip?
Are these okay to start off with for a person who is 5ft5in 62kg.
Looking forward to learning the press and power clean in a couple of days. How many kgs do I need to increase them in the workout? Also, I've been steadily increasing my milk intake but...its caused me to go to the toilet more often. >.< Does this mean I'm lactose-intolerant (I don't think I am) or will my body eventually adapt to the milk?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Then they should ask questions about what's confusing them in the op?
Also, the marathon/sprint thing has nothing to do with what you're referring to.
Nah lol, you'll get used to the milk in a week or less.2nd SS workout today! Did workout A again to really nail down the technique and to really establish the weight my worksets should start out as:
Squats 65kg 3x5
Bench 42.5kg 3x5 - two guys who were giving me advice urged me to give 60kg a go at first, could barely get 3 reps
Deadlift 80kg 1x5 - the bar was rolling at the top of the lift, is this normal? do I need a tighter grip?
Are these okay to start off with for a person who is 5ft5in 62kg.
Looking forward to learning the press and power clean in a couple of days. How many kgs do I need to increase them in the workout? Also, I've been steadily increasing my milk intake but...its caused me to go to the toilet more often. >.< Does this mean I'm lactose-intolerant (I don't think I am) or will my body eventually adapt to the milk?
Really though? I mean I weigh 173lbs, yet I know I can squat at least 275x5x5. So a 136lb guy squatting 143lbs doesn't seem abnormal. Probably a good place for him to start.
Lamel
Banned
Listen I am a regular in this thread for a year now, but SOMETIMES the atmosphere against people in here who aren't so keen on SS is very hostile. I don't really care because I've been on the SS program and it works for me...but I feel like the whole thread is limiting itself. Judging from how many people are on the fitocracy gaf group and then how many posters regularly post in this thread, you can see a huge disconnect.
And yeah I can see how it gets annoying to tell every single person to check the OP...and in bucketheads case even I could easily see he lacked compound lifts. However when I joined this thread the atmosphere was a lot friendlier even though I asked.dumbass questions.
Edit: I have a question of my own. I am home from college and don't have a real gym. I only have 90 lbs total of.weight on a barbell. I don't want to lose my strength gains, what are some low weight/body weight routines I can do to maintain my strength? .or perhaps even train another aspect to supplement my strength training.
parrotbeak
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Yup. I don't even understand and remember everything in the OP and I don't know how many times I've read it. I'll reread Starting Strength and get something new out of it each time too. You're not going to understand the fundamentals, especially at first. You'll just follow, see that it works, and then constantly struggle to hold to the fundamentals when the world around you just wants to throw more variations, equipment and supplements at you.
Thread is full of excess testosterone and restricted calories, so no surprise that it can get heated. I see what cuevas is saying.
J Tourettes
Banned
It doesn't seem that much in the grand scheme of things but didn't know if he'd worked out before. Given that for the first couple of weeks of sessions in ss you go up 2.5kg per workout for squats I thought that more than your bodyweight may be a bit high to start and lead to an earlier stall.
Having not weighed 62kg since about the age of 13 I could obviously be wrong.
Lamel
Banned
His numbers are actually impressive for a starter. I weight 128 lbs and started with a 80-90 lbs squat only. But then again I'm half a foot taller.
What's the lightest weight plates that you guys have access to at the gym? The lightest at the one I go to is 2.5 lb. So if I'm doing barbell workouts (like in SS), the minimum that I can increase is 5 lb. So far, I am able to manage, but I don't see how I will be able to increase my lifts by 5 lb each workout. Maybe increasing it each week is better later on?
fredrancour
Member
This philosophy of "i can't microload, do it weekly instead" is not working for me, I am still stalling on OHP and bench bc i can't micro-load. I'm buying my own small weights after the holidays.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It's been fine for me 2.5lb plates.
You could also get 1lbs of chains or washers from a local hardware store and put that in your gym bag if you don't like the idea of 5lb increases. I've toyed with the idea.
I knew a dude who took testosterone. His nuts were huge, like golf balls in a paper bag huge. It wasn't even gay to stare, shit was crazy.
The problem isn't not getting it, the problem is blatantly disregarding what you're told and responding with "what about this instead..." with regard to routines, because newbies seem afraid of any real lifts.
Thanks for the advice guys. Found the squats okay - they're actually my favourite exercise out of the bunch - the bench is another story though (can't seem to hit that spot on the ceiling even with an empty bar :S). Will take it slow and steady, focusing on form rather than how much I lift for the first couple of months. Can't help but think all the running I've done in the past has been catabolizing muscle.
Good to hear it takes time to get used to the milk. Was slightly worried there, especially considering I quite enjoy drinking the milk. It's weird to actively want your abs to disappear.
Good to hear it takes time to get used to the milk. Was slightly worried there, especially considering I quite enjoy drinking the milk. It's weird to actively want your abs to disappear.
Great King Bowser
Property of Kaz Harai
Minimum weight my gym has is 2.5kg plates (5.5lbs) so I'm generally moving up in weight on a 1.5 weekly basis. Fast approaching 2x body weight squat!
Lamel
Banned
What's wrong with that though? It's a learning process, eventually they get their heads straight. If you're gonna help out some newbies, I think patience is a much needed quality to possess.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/benching-with-the-pecs.html
This article helps on how to utilize your pecs correctly for the bench press, give it a read and practice with low weights and you'll be benching like a pro in no time!
What most people make a mistake with is that they push straight up, which uses the triceps a bit more than needed; simply put when you push the bar up, pretend you're trying to squeeze the bar by bringing your hands together. Nevertheless, read the article for a better explanation.
parrotbeak
Member
was that the TRT stuff that's supposed to be all the rage right now?
Because he was told his routine was bad, was given advice on a proper routine, and then posted a new routine that was basically the same shit remixed. Had he come in with a truly different workout, fine. But it wasn't. I have all the patience in the world for those willing to learn. The difference is one word. Those who want to learn say "why?". Those who don't say "but...", for all intents and purposes.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I think it was actually HGH, not testosterone. This was back in 2003, he was one of my Army cohorts. They were all taking something, some of them were taking HGH and Testosterone they bought from the Iraqi black market.
I just thought it was funny, whatever he was taking his nuts looked like a speedbag.
Lamel
Banned
Alright man it doesn't really matter, it's all been said and done.
What's a more pressing issue for me is that our question about the low weight exercises still has not been answered!
I don't think anyone has the answer apparently! I guess it is impossible to keep SS progress when you are without gym access for a week or 2!
Lamel
Banned
Pistol squat sounds interesting. The rest I can do, apart from pullups...i will need to find a bar for those.
Thanks man.
Wouldn't taking testosterone cause the opposite effect since your body doesn't need to produce as much testosterone?
Anyone have any create ways to do pull-ups at the gym with free handles as opposed to fixed bars? Obviously if I could slide a cable handle onto bars that'd be great but nothing I see around fits. Everything is at a weird angle or the cables don't rotate fully .. annoying.
I don't want to do pull-ups with fixed bars anymore, even if I am only doing them neutral now.
I would love to start training for them but from the looks of watching people do them, people's backs round an incredible amount on the bottom. Of course there is no load, but even if I did ATG full bodyweight squats months ago I felt some numbness/tingles in my foot from a potential disc/sciatic nerve issue.
I don't want to do pull-ups with fixed bars anymore, even if I am only doing them neutral now.
I would love to start training for them but from the looks of watching people do them, people's backs round an incredible amount on the bottom. Of course there is no load, but even if I did ATG full bodyweight squats months ago I felt some numbness/tingles in my foot from a potential disc/sciatic nerve issue.
There's a couple racks that have neutral grips which is what I only use now since it's the most natural position with the least risk of injury but I was completely free pull-ups.
My gym has TRX but stupidly they only use them for classes and lock them away otherwise. They also have kettlebells for the same purpose. The new fitness director is an idiot.
TheKaeptain
Banned
So how much Green tea is too much?
also, feel me in about fasting. I've seen some of you guys mention it. I'd like to know what are the different ways to go about it.
also, feel me in about fasting. I've seen some of you guys mention it. I'd like to know what are the different ways to go about it.
I would never compromise long term health or short term safety for the sake of a single movement. I hope you can work it out, but if not you are aware of the myriad of options for leg movements. Losing this one or even a few isn't that bad in the scheme of things.
I could definitely see pistols aggravating this issue, since it's all ATG. Even then, I see so many people pistol squat with their heels up online and in books, and while I'm not an expert if barbell squatting with your heels up is bad for your knees why wouldn't a pistol squat be the same? I'm bearing the majority of my 175lbs frame on one ankle and one knee, using half-assed mechanics just seems like a really bad idea.
I was in a situation similar to this during the summer when I was back home. I made great progress on my pullups by doing weighted pullups (like a 25 lb between my feet). Kept a record, slowly increased the weight, it worked well.
What are the grips above the squat rack like? The ones above mine at the local gym are slightly curved so they allow for a natural, rotated grip.
- Since a cup of green tea usually only has 1/3 of the caffeine of a cup of coffee, I enjoy it much more frequently than I would many other beverages. I have a hard time drinking more than six small cups, and I usually only have 2-3 a day. All things in moderation, though. It's the only caffeinated beverage I would consider drinking close to bedtime.
- Brief summary of popular approaches to intermittent fasting
Too much green tea? Assuming it's low calorie (you dont put in too much sugar/creme) you should be fine. Just see how you feel.
Regarding fasting, the most common are Intermittent Fasting and Warrior Diet. Here are some links:
IF: http://examine.com/leangains-faq/
WD: http://www.warriordiet.com/content/view/24/35/
The point is when you do a pull-up or a chin-up (palms forward or back), when you lift yourself up your wrists naturally want to rotate.
See this video: Why Straight Bar Chin-Ups Are No Good (YouTube)
Chad Waterbury also did a very lengthy article and self experimentation about the issue too in this article: 13,064 Pull-Ups in 5 Months (T-Nation)
So the most NATURAL way to do pull-ups or chin-ups is to do them with free handles that you can physically rotate throughout the movement as seen in the video above.
I also feel a little scared just putting some cable handles that are basically rope glued together over a bar and doing heavy weighted pull-ups off it. If they break I'd be fucked. Lol.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Yeah I have been drinking like 2-3 cups a day.
Only green tea. Nothing added.
thanks for the links. I will read about them later.
Also, wtf at me saying feel instead of fill.
Hey guys,
Sorry to just barge all up in here with questions. But I thought I'd share my situation and ask for a bit of advice...
I'm about 5 8"/ 5 9" and I weigh roughly 72 kg. My sport is climbing, and everything I do is dedicated to getting better at climbing. When I started I was about 78/79. So I've lost about 7kgs through HIIT and eating a little better.
I'm happy with how I look -- I look good naked! -- but I'm really keen to try and get down to about 68/69. I reckon I'm probably about 17-20% body fat, but really keen to get down to about 10-12 just to improve my strength weight ratio.
Anyway, TL;DR -- I'm really struggling with these last 5kg. I eat really well, exercise at least 3 times a week, and my only real weakness is I eat chocolate every now and then! Any tips for losing those last 5kgs?
Sorry to just barge all up in here with questions. But I thought I'd share my situation and ask for a bit of advice...
I'm about 5 8"/ 5 9" and I weigh roughly 72 kg. My sport is climbing, and everything I do is dedicated to getting better at climbing. When I started I was about 78/79. So I've lost about 7kgs through HIIT and eating a little better.
I'm happy with how I look -- I look good naked! -- but I'm really keen to try and get down to about 68/69. I reckon I'm probably about 17-20% body fat, but really keen to get down to about 10-12 just to improve my strength weight ratio.
Anyway, TL;DR -- I'm really struggling with these last 5kg. I eat really well, exercise at least 3 times a week, and my only real weakness is I eat chocolate every now and then! Any tips for losing those last 5kgs?
Wow that's fascinating, I never knew that. Looking at his set up, I feel like it might be possible to use a chain (like from a weight belt), then clip a couple of handles (or rings if you have them). Seems like it would be secure. His set up seems to be held up by regular old carabiner clips and he said regular cable handles would work...
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