Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That's the way it has been explained to me too. Same reason oatmeal is good for you. Granted, that was from a nutritionist in basic training, but I lost 40lbs in basic training, so there's that.
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That's the way it has been explained to me too. Same reason oatmeal is good for you. Granted, that was from a nutritionist in basic training, but I lost 40lbs in basic training, so there's that.
Of course. And I, too, have had to stop people using two dumbbells to do the move. Lots of people don't really think about the logic of the exercises they do, apparently.
Though I have to say, the best maneuver I've seen done is someone doing bicep curls on a resistance machine, with one of their feet jacked up on the dumbbell rack next to the machine. I hope I didn't stare too long.
I'm no expert when it comes to lifting but I'd love to help people at least understand some of the basics. I've the feeling most people will either not care or get offended.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
So this is weird. I have new stretchmarks (still bruised) on my right hip area, but I'm not gaining weight, and haven't gained weight in over a year. No fucking idea how they got there.
I've yet to correct anyone at the gym. I've asked for advice on occasion, but I've never had the opportunity to offer anything unsolicited. I might correct something that I find dangerously unsafe, like a fully rounded back deadlift, but the situation never presents itself. For me to correct that would require more than a few people at my gym to deadlift in the first place.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That's the only time I've found myself correcting anyone.
I won't bother for someone doing something inefficient. I only step in when I'm worried they are going to hurt themselves.
I've seen people do that in my gym. None of the people that have done it have deadlifted very long - a few weeks max. They always give up. Probably because they completely destroy their back.
If I was to correct everyone with poor form I'd have to work at the gym full time.
My gym is a ghost town at my usual attendance hours, between 2:00pm and 3:30pm on weekdays. On weekends I drop by around 10:00am - 11:00am and it's a lot busier but the squat racks are still wide open. Good stuff.
That's scary to think that so many at your gym have gone on to be crap deadlifters, deadbeef. But like you said, they never keep it up when they do it like that.
That's scary to think that so many at your gym have gone on to be crap deadlifters, deadbeef. But like you said, they never keep it up when they do it like that.
I know the feeling man, pull ups are incredibly hard when even slightly overfat. Honestly every pound is like a tiny anchor pulling you do the ground. I initially couldn't do one chin up or pull up, about 6 months ago (started at 230lbs, 6'4"). Now, while only 10lbs lighter (and quite a few pounds of fat replaced by muscle) I can do two sets of 8 solid pull ups. I started with chin ups, and after I could do 8, moved onto pull ups. Keep working with assisted pull ups and other lat exercise (rows), and you'll likely be able to do some pull ups at around 220-240, so EASILY in the next 6-8 months.
parrotbeak
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My gym was a ghost town on Sunday midday, although was starting to show life when I left a couple hours later. Tuesday evening I couldn't warm up because the cardio machines were all taken and people were standing around waiting. But they were also installing new treadmills, so half of them were out of use, so I think it would have been a long wait at any time of year. The weight room was pretty dead, at least for a weekday evening.
So all in all, I don't think it was more crowded than normal, but the faces were different.
Last night was my first night back at the gym, and to no surpise, at prime time at 6pm, it was definitely packed. Ah well, I'll get use to it and it'll be back to.. well.. less busy... in a few weeks.
I've just started going in around 9:30 and it's about as busy as it would usually be. Had to wait while some guy did his curls in the squat rack though, which was annoying as always.
parrotbeak
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Oh, minor annoyance, although the weight room was empty, it was hard to tell what was in use because people hadn't reracked.
People love correcting and fixing their form it seems. So many people I read about or hear from mention taking a few weeks back in progress to "iron out" their form. The funny thing is that they never get stronger and their form never gets better, and they always seem to live in fear of the dreaded injury.
Now, I'm not saying that the potential for injury doesn't exist, however there is always a potential for injury in almost anything you do. For example, I could be driving down to the store and get into a head-on collision and be launched through the windshield of my car like a crash test dummy. To some people, it seems to be fear of going heavy (they know who they are)
I guess what I'm asking is how long does it really take to correct form?
Now, I'm not saying that the potential for injury doesn't exist, however there is always a potential for injury in almost anything you do. For example, I could be driving down to the store and get into a head-on collision and be launched through the windshield of my car like a crash test dummy. To some people, it seems to be fear of going heavy (they know who they are)
I guess what I'm asking is how long does it really take to correct form?
You should never sacrifice form to do a higher weight though.
Wow, that hurt me just watching at it. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez
FallingEdge
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I recently weighed myself and I am at 223 which caught me by surprise. Makes sense as I am much bigger now. My lifts continue to go up as well which is all I care about. Kinda funny seeing pics of me last year when I thought I was big. I now take a look at them and think I was pretty skinny. I'm sure the cycle will continue next year as well.
Man, I love lifting. Gotta eat more!!
Man, I love lifting. Gotta eat more!!
Lasthope106
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Oh god. My back hurt just watching that.
HarryHengst
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Haha, what the hell. And he even has a bro giving him tips. Are they just trolling the dude?
Are Upright Rows Safe? by Lyle McDonald
As always, the short answer is that it depends. Mainly on how they are done and the person doing them. Frankly, this is truly the only way to analyze if a given exercise is safe or not, any exercise can be relatively more safe or unsafe for a given individual for a given set of circumstances. That said, the upright row does tend to be surrounded by its share of unsafe exercise beliefs so lets look at why.
I think the first place I saw it asserted that upright rows were categorically unsafe was in the old 7-Minute Rotator Cuff Solution from Health for Life (a now defunct company that put out a variety of different manuals). And this was based on the mechanics of the movement. Specifically, upright rows put the shoulder in an internally rotated and horizontally abducted position. And this is a potential problem because it puts the shoulder/rotator cuff at risk for impingement. Hence, to avoid shoulder problems, upright rows became one of the big no-no exercises.
But is this strictly true? In my opinion, no and much of it has to do with how the exercise is performed. Certainly, the traditional bodybuilder method of performing the exercise is pretty high risk. Ive shown the typical form below.
High Ouchie Potential
As you can see, the elbows are being brought very high (often the goal is to get them to the ears) and certainly that tends to put the rotator cuff in a high risk position even with excellent shoulder control. As well, you dont really get a whole lot more involvement of the deltoids in the first place by pulling the bar this high. So you increase the risk without really impacting on the movements benefit as a shoulder movement.
So for those reasons, I certainly wouldnt recommend folks do upright rows using that technique. The risk is high and the benefit relatively low. This is especially true given that its easy to modify the movement into one that is not only safer for the shoulder but targets the deltoids just as effectively. And that is to do the movement where you stop with the elbows only going as high as the shoulders themselves (this typically put the weight/bar/dumbbell about sternum level) as shown below.
Less Ouchie Potential
The above has far less potential for impingement issues, simply by limiting the range of motion. Yet it still provides full stimulation for the medial deltoid. Id mention that it does still require some ability to control the scapula (in terms of setting the shoulder down and not letting it elevate) so someone with a previous rotator cuff injury might still have problems with it. But for someone with good scapular control and no other shoulder issues, I see no problem with doing upright rows in this fashion.
As a final note, I would suggest doing the movement either with a rope handle (off a cable stack) or with dumbbells. The wrists tend to get a bit cocked using a barbell so even if the movement doesnt bug your shoulder, it can jack up your wrists. And, of course, if doing upright rows even in the above fashion still bugs your shoulders, drop the movement. As I said up above, movements can only generally be rated as safe or unsafe for a given individual under a given set of circumstances. If a movement causes pain, its not a good one for you.
Hope that clears things up.
I haven't performed an upright row in quite some time, I just reposted this because many people in this thread do and because Lyle McDonald typically does not speak unless he knows what he's talking about.
He doesn't even say "don't upright row" he just assesses the benefit-to-risk potential and lays out an alternative.
He doesn't even say "don't upright row" he just assesses the benefit-to-risk potential and lays out an alternative.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Jesus Christ good thing that belt contained his spine.
BlueScrote
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It's pretty bad at my gym. It's gotten to the point where If no one is at a rack but there are weights on it still I'll just ask the person working closest if anyone is using it.
Lasthope106
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Do you guys think sardines are a good substitute for Tuna? I'm having Tuna right now for lunch and have to be honest, I really can't see myself eating something so dry and tasteless for more than twice a week.
I liked his spotter helping him get one side over his knee.
Price Dalton
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They're actually better. More omega-3s, less mercury, more minerals (especially if you get the bone-in ones).
Price Dalton
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I think the idea is that eating a huge unrestrained meal once a or twice a week will boost leptin levels, which tend to fall during dieting.
Someone tell me what makes having a rounded back dangerous in deadlifts? I can kind of imagine what is going on in the body but I'd like someone with the proper vocab and knowledge to explain
You have to realize that your spine is a collection of lumbar disks, and that any extreme position that can displace one of them. Surely, you've heard of a slipped disk or a bulging disk. A rounded back is a very not good position for the discs when 500 lbs is pulling down on it. Since his feet are firmly planted on the ground and his grip is steady on the bar, his lumbar is being pulled in both directions, creating tension. When the spine finally gives up the ghost, a disc will do any number of unfun things, such as displace, bulge out, or herniate.
I've always seen free meals as a way of allowing yourself to enjoy food on a diet and allowing yourself to choose the when and where you deviate from the diet. If you want to deal with metabolism, there's just like refeeds and diet breaks.
we did back squats yesterday at the crossfit gym i attend, first time i have ever tried a squat with the bar on my back. i completely agree with the previous comment of 'You should never sacrifice form to do a higher weight', and something like a squat you can maybe move a higher weight with terrible form, but the risk of hurting yourself is so freaking immense its not worth it. at first i didnt know where to even put the bar on my back, and trying to figure that stuff out with a lot of weight is just stupid. one of the mantra's that i always have to remind myself is that form comes first and dont compare the weight that im doing with others. thankfully the trainers stopped me and dropped my weight down before i did anything to stupid.
Ok, so would stretching by rounding your back and flexing or pulling on something heavy/stationary be a bad idea? Sometimes that helps me a lot when I have a sore back.You have to realize that your spine is a collection of lumbar disks, and that any extreme position that can displace one of them. Surely, you've heard of a slipped disk or a bulging disk. A rounded back is a very not good position for the discs when 500 lbs is pulling down on it. Since his feet are firmly planted on the ground and his grip is steady on the bar, his lumbar is being pulled in both directions, creating tension. When the spine finally gives up the ghost, a disc will do any number of unfun things, such as displace, bulge out, or herniate.
Sounds like you had an above average experience with Crossfit then, based on what I"ve read here.
And you are absolutely correct, get the form down with a weight you can easily manage before actually lifting. That's what I do at least, did it for Squat years ago, and Deads only recently.
Price Dalton
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Yep, that too. Can help keep a person sane if a particular diet is unenjoyable.
How bad are high bar squats? I tried to do a low bar squat like rippetoe showed in one of his videos on vimeo and found it very uncomfortable. My wrists were and shoulders were aching.
Scumbag Crossfit
Stresses importance of good form
WOD for Wednesday 1/12/2012:
For time
50 box jump
50 jumping pull ups
50 kettle bell swings
Walking lunge 50 steps
50 knee to elbow
50 push press
50 wall ball shots
50 burpees
50 double unders
Price Dalton
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Nothing wrong with high bar squats.
sixteen-bit
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Amazon has a pretty sizeable discount on Bowflex Adjustable dumbells if anyone is interested.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ARYU58/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ARYU58/?tag=neogaf0e-20
They only go up to 52lbs?
Can you get heavier weights for them or is that the limit.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Slightly OT, but good for me.
Just got back from getting fingerprinted (FBI background check) at my summer internship police department. The deputy chief seems dead set on having me work there full time after the internship. I hope it turns out that way.
Time to get back into PD testing shape. More cardio and *uhg* situps.
Think I'll still just focus on HIIT and add in some situps at home every now and then.
Also means I need to work on my lower back/hamstring flexibility again for the sit and reach. I fucking hate that shit.
Just got back from getting fingerprinted (FBI background check) at my summer internship police department. The deputy chief seems dead set on having me work there full time after the internship. I hope it turns out that way.
Time to get back into PD testing shape. More cardio and *uhg* situps.
Think I'll still just focus on HIIT and add in some situps at home every now and then.
Also means I need to work on my lower back/hamstring flexibility again for the sit and reach. I fucking hate that shit.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Tastes like ass.
EAS is 37 dollars with a sub and it comes in a 5lb tub and tastes great.
Where are you finding EAS for that price? Could you shoot me a link?
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