That's an extremely weird stance to take.
Why do pull-ups unless you're constantly rock climbing?
Why do bench press? Why do deadlifts?
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That's an extremely weird stance to take.
Why do pull-ups unless you're constantly rock climbing?
Why do bench press? Why do deadlifts?
Dabookerman
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Just been directed here, but I'm interested in speeding up the process of burning fat while I'm on p90x and on the diet as well.
What's the best supplement out there?
Should I just take fish oil?
What's the best supplement out there?
Should I just take fish oil?
All the luck in the world to ya, you've got the passion for it, so go for it.
Yeah, my gym is just down the street from where I work, just a couple minutes to get there. And it doesn't take long to get to where I work from home either, so it's not far from home in either case. It helps to just get out and feel like I'm doing something as well, so I understand that.
Heh, like I mentioned, it's just a couple minutes away, so half the time I don't want to deal with any traffic, so it's just easier to get to the gym and spend an hour there!
Pertaining to your first question, from personal experience (240 down to 185 over about two years), I still have a small amount of excess skin/fat in the stomach area.
Ab workouts will give you better core strength, but they won't do much if you want to shed some of the fat. Cardio and diet are actually the key factors to a leaner stomach area. However, it does take some time and the results may not be noticeable right away. I've been working out for over 12 years and I still have some signs of my overweight youth (stretch marks, belly fat, etc.) However, everyone is different and your results will vary from mine.
Don't worry about the soreness. That happens to almost all of us during our first time. I don't want to force you to fight through it. However, I will encourage you to give it another try. If you can get through the workout, then you just broken a mental and physical barrier. If you can't, then you'll get another chance at it.
Your progress isn't defined by one workout. The journey is just as important (sometimes more so) as the goal. And reaching your goal isn't the end of the journey, it just means a new beginning.
Those get me big, and I'm sure power cleans could do that as well but as I understand it they are mostly for sport conditioning and speed. I don't need that so I just replaced them with something else.
I'm not saying it is the best thing or recommending it but I was doing them and didn't find that they really did much for me.
I'm not really seeing any competent arguments against training to failure(other than increased risk of injury and increased recovery time), so if anyone wants to tell give some, please do. I will agree that it's probably unnecessary at this stage for me, cause i'm going to make gains either way.
Also, for me personally, the biggest gains I ever made in strength were when I was wayyy overtrained and then I took an extended break (like 1.5-2x the usual break). Anyone else ever notice anything like that?
Also, for me personally, the biggest gains I ever made in strength were when I was wayyy overtrained and then I took an extended break (like 1.5-2x the usual break). Anyone else ever notice anything like that?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
FallingEdge
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I put this post through my Decipher English algorithm and the output was "inconclusive".
My post has nothing to do with repetitions per set.
This is not actually addressing my post, and is ironically passive-aggressive.
FallingEdge
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I saw it that way since you were asking about training towards failure which would mean doing as many reps as you can per set. If that isn't what you mean, then yes, please disregard my post.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It means do whatever the fuck you want to do.
No one cares and no one's going to feel the need to prove jack shit to you, especially when you come out with some shit like the last post.
You can train to failure at 1 rep per set, or 20 reps per set. Technically you're correct in that training to failure will get you an increased number or reps (by at least 1) per given weight, but that's not really what I was getting at.
If this thread is for circle-jerking and I'm not allowed to ask questions or try to learn anything, well...that sucks.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
The issue isn't questions, that much should have been clear to you. Questions are great, with out them some of us would not have tried new routines, belts, etc. The issue is in your delivery, which makes you seem like someone who isn't worth dealing with.
Timedog - from what I've seen, there isn't a general consensus for training to failure. From my experience and what I've read, powerlifters and people who train for strength don't generally train until failure. Wendler, the author of the program I'm doing right now (5/3/1), recommends training to near failure on the last set but not to complete failure. Some people who do HIIT or "bodybuilding" types of programs will have sets where they train to failure. I don't have much experience with that so I don't know how effective it is compared to what I do. In my opinion, if you feel like that is what you want to do and from your previous post, gets you great gains, then go for it. I would recommend keeping a log of the weights you start out with and what you're lifting after 3, 6, and 12 months. That way, you can gauge how much stronger you got. Just saying you got much stronger doesn't tell us much.
I'm not seeing any competent arguments against training to failure, so if anyone wants to give me some, please do.
^^^is that really horrible? I already asked in the thread, the answer I got was to google it. I did. If anyone wants to discuss it with me so I understand, I'm inviting them to please do so. If you got mad at that, that's not my problem.
edit: Was it my wording of "competent"? Conclusive, as stated in the post above this, would have been better wording.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
The idea is to not beat yourself to shit to the point it effects your training/recovery in other lifts, or for the rest of your routine throughout the week. By leaving "1 or 2" in the tank, you've effectively stimulated the muscle for growth, while not completely annihilating it to the point that your body/routine will become adversely effected.
Also, I posted this earlier, but I'll post it again.
“Exercise to stimulate, not to annihilate. The world wasn’t formed in a day, and neither were we. Set small goals and build upon them.” – Lee Haney
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Haney
Holy shit 12 reps is way harder than I thought it would be. Got a crazy pump out of it. Figured if I dropped the weight by 5-10lbs my sets would look like 1x12, 1x12, and maybe 1x6-8. NOPE. Lower weight helped me focus on form a lot, but better form + higher reps... goddamn.
This is an actual picture of me taken after my first set of 12 1-arm rows
This is an actual picture of me taken after my first set of 12 1-arm rows
This makes sense if you're not doing an isolation routine.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You should try 5/3/1 with big but boring. Shit was a wakeup call for me (high reps).
For me, it's the inability to do 1 more rep with correct form.
For me, not being able to put the weight up with good form. Although sometimes back in the day I'd go way more intense and do shit like drop/strip sets where I'd go from curling 55lb dumbbell's to failure and keep going with smaller weights in the same set til I couldn't do another rep with a 10 or 5lb dumbbell.
Yeah that's what I believe is the most sound way to go at it. Like you said, the point of adding more weight is to stimulate your muscle for growth. I wouldn't recommend going to failure either however, some people get growth from doing the whole train to failure thing. People seem to like the whole "pump" feeling but all that signifies is that your body can no longer remove enough waste products (lactic acid for example) fast enough. That doesn't necessarily mean that they've stimulated their muscle enough for growth however.
Yes, I train to failure often on curls and stuff, which I don't do much. I never train to failure on compounds.
This.
Seriously, I always thought of failure as the point when you can no longer properly perform the specific workout.
For example, standing DB curls to failure might result in arching of the back to force the Db up for the last few reps.
RE: Timedog's question
Pavel Tsatsuoline is a huge advocate of training short of muscle failure, since his focus is on strength and since strength is a skill fatigue diminishes good form and waters down the skill.
I do pullups everyday, and the only way I can is because I don't go to failure. I can do sets of ten reps 3-8 times a day all week long but if I try to hit a rep PR every single day I'm going to be worse off on day 7 than I would be at the beginning of the week.
However, if you aren't focused on building strength and just on muscle hypertrophy and fatiguing the muscles, then fatigue away. I do this fairly often as well, but probably only with the final sets of a training day with a movement that has a relatively low skill ceiling:
Deadlifts - not to failure
Weighted Pull-ups - to failure
Barbell squats - not to failure
Leg Press - until my legs fall off
and so on.
Pavel Tsatsuoline is a huge advocate of training short of muscle failure, since his focus is on strength and since strength is a skill fatigue diminishes good form and waters down the skill.
I do pullups everyday, and the only way I can is because I don't go to failure. I can do sets of ten reps 3-8 times a day all week long but if I try to hit a rep PR every single day I'm going to be worse off on day 7 than I would be at the beginning of the week.
However, if you aren't focused on building strength and just on muscle hypertrophy and fatiguing the muscles, then fatigue away. I do this fairly often as well, but probably only with the final sets of a training day with a movement that has a relatively low skill ceiling:
Deadlifts - not to failure
Weighted Pull-ups - to failure
Barbell squats - not to failure
Leg Press - until my legs fall off
and so on.
I save all my bacon fat for just such reasons. Amazing.
This is true. I'd never do those to full failure, if I'm not 110% sure I can do another rep I wouldn't do another without a spotter. One time I couldn't do another rep in bench and put the barbell on my chest (with clamps on too, like a dumbass). Having to roll the bar down my chest and onto my lap was embarassing, and if I was doing powerlifter weight, would have been possibly fatal? Yeah, fuck that.
Squats I don't think I'd go to true failure even with a spotter.
For me, not being able to put the weight up with good form. Although sometimes back in the day I'd go way more intense and do shit like drop/strip sets where I'd go from curling 55lb dumbbell's to failure and keep going with smaller weights in the same set til I couldn't do another rep with a 10 or 5lb dumbbell.
That sounds like an incredible effective way to train.
Also, with all this talk of training to failure, given that Timedog hasn't lifted weights in a while, probably has some form issues, and if I remember correctly has a previous injury, then going balls out on every single fucking thing is a bad idea. Training to failure, or close to failure, has its applications in training, but not to someone with a 10 year layoff. It sounds like Timedog wants the mass now so we need to do more work NOW.
Some of you may be grumbling, going, "well, he should do what works for him" or he should "feel it out," which just kinda takes the purpose of this thread and punches it in the dick. Relax, let it come. You'll be okay.
Slayer-33
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All the bolded statements are from a man who has soundly rejected any advice given before it has even been received.
I have more I may say, but dinner's calling. I'm glad to help him where I can, but if he's tossed the baby out with the bathwater there's only so much more to give.
If you're going to train to failure, or lift heavy weights for your chest atleast use dumbbells. That way, if you can't handle the weight anymore you just drop them.
I made big gains with dumbbells because I was never afraid to go heavy since having a spotter did not matter.
Strong kid.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Olive oil works fine as a substitute.
It might "work", but it is nowhere near as delicious.
I tried to use turkey bacon fat, but I didn't really notice a difference. I've used olive oil before, and it tastes fine. I've actually never used butter before.
I think that's our inspirational story for the week. Awesome girl.
If only I had started that young and wasn't told that I couldn't do stuff like that. And gender stereotypes don't even factor for me, lol.
You're welcome. Yes, that's me in my avatar.
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