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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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MjFrancis

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Timedog said:
My "there's no way I can do squats every workout" thing is based off of my previous assumption that I was supposed to be going to (near) failure. My legs are fucking demolished right now and it's been like 3 days since I did squats. If I don't go to failure I should be alright doing squats 3 days a week.

Is there a problem with me saying that I'm going to make gains regardless of routine since I'm basically a beginner again? Is there a problem with me wanting to add a few extra sets for muscle groups that aren't getting worked very well, like forearms and calves? Let me know...
Your first paragraph is on point now since you've realized the OP said you can squat thrice a week in a 3x5 rep scheme. If you skimmed over that and just did everything to failure I could understand why squatting three times a week would sound like madness. But you get it now so that's that.

The issue with what I quoted and bolded from you is that you're asking for advice while seemingly dismissing the importance of any of it beforehand. Coupled with the initial dismissal of the OP routine it sounds like a guy who isn't asking for advice but telling the thread what they're going to do. Which is fine when you aren't also asking for advice, people share their fitness exploits in this thread all the time.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Small my ass, unless you shopped that pic, lol.


One day our powers will combine and we shalll both become Gods!

Small compared to you. My back would snap in two if I even attempted 2 plates.

Aliencooter: The God of GAF Fitness-age!
 

MjFrancis

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Every time I go out of my way to discard the stubborn masculinity factor and go see a doctor when I have an injury, they're like "there's not really anything to do, here's an unnecessary prescription so that you don't feel like you've wasted your time, now we'll bill you $200, lololol you moron." And my understanding is that there's not a whole lot to do about a rib injury anyway, so yeah, I left it on its own.
I completely and wholly understand. It's been a while since I've been to the doctor for those very reasons... I always feel like I get screwed out of money for some cursory information I could have gleaned off the internet.
 

MjFrancis

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Then why aren't you skimming from your accounts at work? You have an image to live up to, you know. Those nine hundred dollar turtlenecks don't buy themselves.
 
My "there's no way I can do squats every workout" thing is based off of my previous assumption that I was supposed to be going to (near) failure. My legs are fucking demolished right now and it's been like 3 days since I did squats. If I don't go to failure I should be alright doing squats 3 days a week.

Is there a problem with me saying that I'm going to make gains regardless of routine since I'm basically a beginner again? Is there a problem with me wanting to add a few extra sets for muscle groups that aren't getting worked very well, like forearms and calves? Let me know...
If you do routines like Starting Strength or 5x5 those muscles you think arent getting worked very well are getting worked well. Of course you are free to make up your own training routine, but why do that when there are multiple routines that are proven to work especially well for beginners?
 

Trey

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I don't know why anyone would want to obliterate the majority of their muscles groups by working compound lifts to failure. It's not very good training if a workout leaves you so stressed you can't do another workout in an appropriate amount of time.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
What's the nicest fitness-related comment someone's made about you or asked you?

"Hey, are you a stuntman or something?" today at the park.

Feels good, man.
 

Ripclawe

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What's the nicest fitness-related comment someone's made about you or asked you?

"Hey, are you a stuntman or something?" today at the park.

Feels good, man.

"man! You lose weight, looking good!"

then after about the 8th person says it you ponder how fucking fat were you before....then you get a complex....
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
What's the nicest fitness-related comment someone's made about you or asked you?

"Hey, are you a stuntman or something?" today at the park.

Feels good, man.

Hmmm. Probably, "Are you training for something? Like a fight or something like that?"
 

Timedog

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If you do routines like Starting Strength or 5x5 those muscles you think arent getting worked very well are getting worked well. Of course you are free to make up your own training routine, but why do that when there are multiple routines that are proven to work especially well for beginners?

In the OP's routine, where are my calves really getting worked? My forearms are overly strong so I'm gonna have to work them separately if I want to tire them out.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
In the OP's routine, where are my calves really getting worked? My forearms are overly strong so I'm gonna have to work them separately if I want to tire them out.

Squats and DLs are plenty for calves. Don't bother with forearms. Between all the back and if you do bi's they will get plenty of work. My opinion of course.
 

MjFrancis

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You seem like you're missing the forest for the trees, Timedog.

If you really want to work your calves and forearms, just throw some calf raises at the end of your workout and do bar hangs for four sets of 60 seconds apiece (If your forearms are strong you shouldn't even break a sweat). Call it good and don't sweat the small stuff.
 

Petrie

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In the OP's routine, where are my calves really getting worked? My forearms are overly strong so I'm gonna have to work them separately if I want to tire them out.

If they're so strong you should probably focus on evening everything out instead of creating even more of an imbalance. As it stands, you truly are missing the forest for the trees man.
 
Is it normal for your arms to start getting really weak and stiff after about 6 sets of similar exercises? I've been working out pretty regularly for the last couple of weeks (3-4 times a week) and I'm finding that I can't follow some of the beginner regimens that I found online because my arms give out pretty quickly.
 

Petrie

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Is it normal for your arms to start getting really weak and stiff after about 6 sets of similar exercises? I've been working out pretty regularly for the last couple of weeks (3-4 times a week) and I'm finding that I can't follow some of the beginner regimens that I found online because my arms give out pretty quickly.

You're doing the wrong beginner regimens.
 

Petrie

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I don't know about that. I definitely feel stronger because I can lift things with more ease now, and I definitely wake up sore every morning after my workouts so I know I'm doing something right.

Waking up sore does not mean you're doing the right thing.

And if you're a beginner any routine will see you progress, that doesn't mean you're doing a good routine.
 

Timedog

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You seem like you're missing the forest for the trees, Timedog.

If you really want to work your calves and forearms, just throw some calf raises at the end of your workout and do bar hangs for four sets of 60 seconds apiece (If your forearms are strong you shouldn't even break a sweat). Call it good and don't sweat the small stuff.

If I really want to work my calves and forearms, I should add some calf and forearm exercises to the end of my routine? That's exactly what I plan on doing. How is that missing the forest for the trees?
 

Petrie

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If I really want to work my calves and forearms, I should add some calf and forearm exercises to the end of my routine? That's exactly what I plan on doing. How is that missing the forest for the trees?

Because you're obsessing over making sure you hit 2 tiny muscle groups instead of focusing on the brunt of your workouts, which will hit everything. You may not destroy your calves and forearms right away, but you don't need to. The idea is to work everything in unison.
 

entremet

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Because you're obsessing over making sure you hit 2 tiny muscle groups instead of focusing on the brunt of your workouts, which will hit everything. You may not destroy your calves and forearms right away, but you don't need to. The idea is to work everything in unison.

Plus, I've never seen underdeveloped forearms or calves on a lifter who can hit high numbers in the compound lifts. It's just doesn't happen.
 

Timedog

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Because you're obsessing over making sure you hit 2 tiny muscle groups instead of focusing on the brunt of your workouts, which will hit everything. You may not destroy your calves and forearms right away, but you don't need to. The idea is to work everything in unison.

So adding a few excercises to specifically work out two tiny muscle groups is "obsessing" and losing focus on the excercises I do before those ones? Uhhh, okay dude.
 

Petrie

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So adding a few excercises to specifically work out two tiny muscle groups is "obsessing" and losing focus on the excercises I do before those ones? Uhhh, okay dude.

The fact that you keep asking about forearms and calves just shows you have the wrong focus.

You're missing the big picture.
 

PK Gaming

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So me and my friends have decided to hit the school gym. Nothing to serious, but some light cardio is good for the heart. Though i'm afraid i'll end up giving up eventually... I'll try to stick with it for as long as I can.
 

X-Frame

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EviLore, how long have you been doing BJJ?

I've always wanted to learn martial arts, and have been trying to decide which form to focus on for a while now. I guess I just need to pick one and go with it and stop hesitating. I've heard of people learning in their 30's, 40's, etc so I don't have much excuse at 25.
 
So me and my friends have decided to hit the school gym. Nothing to serious, but some light cardio is good for the heart. Though i'm afraid i'll end up giving up eventually... I'll try to stick with it for as long as I can.

Don't you think that if something is worth doing, that it is worth doing 100%? Why say you are going to give up now? Why invest any time at all if you already know the outcome?
 

rando14

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I have never done a single forearm exercise. They will gain muscularity on their own.

But, of course, if you want to isolate them, feel free. Wrist curls, etc.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
nah that's 21 cycles of 5/3/1 in addition to a bunch of shit. I think he's on prohormones.

That makes more sense. His body type in the first pic does not seem like it would be able to make that kind of jump, even in 2 years. Shit, he looks like a different person.

I have never done a single forearm exercise. They will gain muscularity on their own.

But, of course, if you want to isolate them, feel free. Wrist curls, etc.

I always think it's pretty funny when I see guys take the time to do those. They may as well do some other exercise that has a solid grip component.

Okay, so you have nothing to add other than nebulous, vague bullshit. Yeah, you move along.

He doesn't need to be "clear."

He's 100% correct, your posts have been nothing but random questions about unimportant body parts for strength/definition, or abrasive twat like questions/statements. The people who have tried to help you have offered information that you simply attempt to refute or completely ignore.

This isn't a debate thread, it's an advice and discussion thread. Go be "right" somewhere fucking else.

At this point I'd be surprised if anyone responded to you anymore. I know this is the last time I'll post to you in here, or even respond to anything close to what you're asking.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I feel that kind of progress might be possible in two years, but under extremely strict diet/regimen, and some genetic luck.

That's what I'm saying though, using his first pic as a "guess" I'd guess that his genes are not "optimal" for muscle gain.

Still though, even if he's taking shit, it's clear he worked his fucking ass off.
 

Petrie

Banned
That's what I'm saying though, using his first pic as a "guess" I'd guess that his genes are not "optimal" for muscle gain.

Still though, even if he's taking shit, it's clear he worked his fucking ass off.

Not going to lie, I'd love a cycle or 2 of whatever he is on, jesus fuck. lol
 

rando14

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I always think it's pretty funny when I see guys take the time to do those. They may as well do some other exercise that has a solid grip component.

Certain isolation exercises that people do blow my mind. Extremely heavy shrugs, forearm curls, etc. I guess heavy training for these will give the illusion of strength, but proportion is so important in "looking big" that it's just silly.

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Curious, but have do any IFers here feel like they are more suscept to getting sick?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Certain isolation exercises that people do blow my mind. Extremely heavy shrugs, forearm curls, etc. I guess heavy training for these will give the illusion of strength, but proportion is so important in "looking big" that it's just silly.

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Curious, but have do any IFers here feel like they are more suscept to getting sick?

AbuC actually brought that up the other day. He stopped IF because he was getting sick back to back when before he would hardly ever get sick.
 

rando14

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AbuC actually brought that up the other day. He stopped IF because he was getting sick back to back when before he would hardly ever get sick.

Ah, I thought this might be a potential effect. Has anyone asked a doctor about how to combat that? I've always felt that multivitamins were unnecessary, but it might be possible that vitamin deficiencies could be the cause.

There's a line I draw regarding fat loss. Shredded is cool, but health is all of our priorities.
 
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