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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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MjFrancis

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Your are looking good and your lifting is going well, so everything's solid. Keep being awesome, Cooter!

I go to two branches of YMCAs and both have a lot of people who lift heavy and with good form. I definitely think form catches on. My previous gym had a lot of younger guys who turned every workout into who can push the most for 2 inches, and beginners would copy their form all the time. Watching newbs struggle to bench 95 lbs for a 2 inch ROM is excruciating, but who am I to tell them how to lift.

But the Ys I go to now have lots of older guys who will help. I've seen older guys tell kids to drop the weight and fix their form. The kids will balk of course and the old guys have to be persistent. One day i hope to have the experience and patience to give advice to kids who don't want it.
That's cool to have the older guys looking after the young whippersnappers. The single gym rat who handed out unsolicited advice at the gym I attend goes earlier in the day now, so everyone I see is pretty much on their own in the afternoon. Most people don't barbell train though and the ones who do are pretty experienced so I suppose his calling is elsewhere now. He taught me to kick ass so there's always that. It's a shame that he never opened his dream gym, which would have really just been a barbell club with a dozen power racks, a half-dozen deadlifting and Oly lift platforms and a small selection of machines and equipment for assistance work.
 
Can anyone tell me what the deal is with these "Sugar Alcohols" or "Polyols" that seem to be appearing on low carb stuff that I've seen recently.

I don't really get it... they're counted in the overall carb section, but apparently they don't count as "net carbs". Is this all marketing trickery? What's the deal?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Yep, looking good cooter! Nice XX glass in the back too.

So I think I've decided. Monday I'm going for 315x20 on my last working set for Squats. It's supposed to be 310 for that week, but I figure if I hit 315x20 I'll simply be done for the day and maybe not bother with assistance. If I hit that, it's gonna feel real good.
 
Can anyone tell me what the deal is with these "Sugar Alcohols" or "Polyols" that seem to be appearing on low carb stuff that I've seen recently.

I don't really get it... they're counted in the overall carb section, but apparently they don't count as "net carbs". Is this all marketing trickery? What's the deal?
I think they cause less of a spike to your blood sugar levels.
 

MjFrancis

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So I think I've decided. Monday I'm going for 315x20 on my last working set for Squats. It's supposed to be 310 for that week, but I figure if I hit 315x20 I'll simply be done for the day and maybe not bother with assistance. If I hit that, it's gonna feel real good.
When you hit 315lbs for 20 reps on Monday. It'll kick so much ass anyone who watches the full set will probably go blind for they day because there's nothing left worth watching.

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And I didn't quite realize just how awkward the Wanderlei Silva avatar looks when I post a picture next to his mug. He appears strangely satisfied at anything I quote or post.
 
Yep, looking good cooter! Nice XX glass in the back too.

So I think I've decided. Monday I'm going for 315x20 on my last working set for Squats. It's supposed to be 310 for that week, but I figure if I hit 315x20 I'll simply be done for the day and maybe not bother with assistance. If I hit that, it's gonna feel real good.

Damn dude. That sounds...daunting, to say the least. Best of luck!
 

Petrie

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Can anyone tell me what the deal is with these "Sugar Alcohols" or "Polyols" that seem to be appearing on low carb stuff that I've seen recently.

I don't really get it... they're counted in the overall carb section, but apparently they don't count as "net carbs". Is this all marketing trickery? What's the deal?

Diabetics like myself don't have to worry so much. :)
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Damn dude. That sounds...daunting, to say the least. Best of luck!

Well, I've done it for 12, I've also done up to 360 for 10. Just this Monday I did 215x20 with nearly no breaks, just 1 second at 10 and 2 seconds at 18.

It's going to be tough, no doubt. It will raise my estimated 1rm from 480 to 525. But my squat has felt strong as hell and I really think I can do it if I pace myself correctly.

Thanks!

When you hit 315lbs for 20 reps on Monday. It'll kick so much ass anyone who watches the full set will probably go blind for they day because there's nothing left worth watching.

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And I didn't quite realize just how awkward the Wanderlei Silva avatar looks when I post a picture next to his mug. He appears strangely satisfied at anything I quote or post.


Haha, thanks I appreciate your confidence in me.

I really want to just go do it today but I know that will effect my deload week and thus interfere with my cycle next week.
 
I think they cause less of a spike to your blood sugar levels.

Diabetics like myself don't have to worry so much. :)

I see, so it's mainly just a diabetic thing then? Nutritionally I find it a bit confusing... in that I don't know if it's supposed to count as a carb when you're looking at it in terms of macro-nutritional ratios. I've been recording it as such, though it's resulted in many of the products I've purchased which are "low carb" really not being low in carbs in the least bit.
 
Anybody box? I just went for the first time today, just did alot of jump rope and hopped in place lol. But its much for fun than running for aerobics.
 
Aight, here's a more proper intro post from me.

Just wrapped up my fourth year of lifting, started back in March 2008 because I was 250 lbs and heavily obese and it was time to turn things around. I asked a random guy off bb.com to help me get started and we lifted together on campus for a semester, and needless to say I got hooked.

At my heaviest I was 275 lbs at 5'9, and at my leanest I got to 168 lbs 9% BF.

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I need to take a bit of a newer picture, I'm slightly less lean now, but with some more mass. Currently 182 @ 11%.

I've been mostly bodybuilding focused in my workouts, much more aimed at size and shape rather than strength.

Thinking it's time to switch things over and build up my strength a bit more. After I get through this cut for summer I want to switch over to a strength focused plan. My lifting stats right now are decent, but they could be better.

Here's my bodyspace if you wanna track the progress I've made over the years, the lifting stats are way old and I need to update them.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/darthwufei/
 
Cooter, I thought you were more cut? Your last picture looked like it, but I don't think you were shirtless in the last pic.

EDIT-HOLY SHIT at Darth. You're a BEAST.
 
Was just looking through your pics (looking fantastic btw, you should be very proud of what you've achieved!) and I hope you don't mind me asking... through a lot of your early pics you seem to have a very distinct set of parallel lines just under your pecs. Any idea what that is? Sort of looks almost like you were wearing something much too tight / elastic before the photos were taken.
 

MjFrancis

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Haha, thanks I appreciate your confidence in me.
If you visualize yourself conquering this weight all weekend, not just removing doubt but ingraining your success in your mind, you are halfway there. My gym's resident oldtimer who was still squatting 500lbs in his fifties and 300lbs+ in his sixties taught me that the mind game can make or break a PR. It seems a bit silly, but he brought me into a "do or do not" or "mind over matter" mindset and I couldn't thank him enough for that. Set a goal, do it. Much of the time it works.
 
Cooter, I thought you were more cut? Your last picture looked like it, but I don't think you were shirtless in the last pic.

EDIT-HOLY SHIT at Darth. You're a BEAST.
Thanks man! I certainly feel that way these days!

Was just looking through your pics (looking fantastic btw, you should be very proud of what you've achieved!) and I hope you don't mind me asking... through a lot of your early pics you seem to have a very distinct set of parallel lines just under your pecs. Any idea what that is? Sort of looks almost like you were wearing something much too tight / elastic before the photos were taken.
Don't mind at all, I've been asked it before. I actually still have the lines, although they've faded a bit over time. I'm pretty sure they are creases in the skin from spending way too much time sitting in one position. There was a period in my life where the only thing I did every day was sit in front of the computer and play MMOs.

They may continue to fade, but I'll prolly have to do something cosmetic to get them to go away completely.
 
Thanks man! I certainly feel that way these days!

Don't mind at all, I've been asked it before. I actually still have the lines, although they've faded a bit over time. I'm pretty sure they are creases in the skin from spending way too much time sitting in one position. There was a period in my life where the only thing I did every day was sit in front of the computer and play MMOs.

They may continue to fade, but I'll prolly have to do something cosmetic to get them to go away completely.

Going for a cut myself and I'm just wondering what are you doing different as opposed to bulking? Workout routine/diet would be helpful and I be down to talk in PMs if need be.

Thanks!
 

Petrie

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Going for a cut myself and I'm just wondering what are you doing different as opposed to bulking? Workout routine/diet would be helpful and I be down to talk in PMs if need be.

Thanks!

Do not take this to PM, this is info I'd love to hear, especially right now!

lol
 

Mr.City

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Going for a cut myself and I'm just wondering what are you doing different as opposed to bulking? Workout routine/diet would be helpful and I be down to talk in PMs if need be.

Thanks!

Some of the basics are keeping protein high, reducing the volume but keeping the intensity (weight) up. Strength gains slow or just stop during this time. Some people claim they get leaner and stronger at the same time, but I usually like to focus on one.

I've posted Lyle's stuff a lot, so his articles are pretty good at describing how to go on a cut
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Well, I got to the gym and had to go for it...

And I fucking do it!!!! 315x20. It took 15 min for me to be able to type this and a lot of dry heaving. Fuck deload week. PR this mother fucker!!!!
 

Dash27

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Well, I got to the gym and had to go for it...

And I fucking do it!!!! 315x20. It took 15 min for me to be able to type this and a lot of dry heaving. Fuck deload week. PR this mother fucker!!!!

Damn that's good, nice PR! I'm going for 310 today 2x5 and then a max reps set. I was thinking if I hit 10 on the max I'll be very happy. 20 would likely kill me.

What is your current 1RM and 3x5 if you know and dont mind me asking?
 

Cheeto

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Whats up with my knee? I get some pain when I play sports and most of the time when I'm squatting. Its kinda hard to describe the pain, but if I press on that soft spot directly below the knee cap I can trigger some pain. Closer to the bone the more pain I can trigger.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
PR'ed in OHP at 120 and got 7 reps on my 3rd set. Might try 125 next week.

From my deload (255 to 135 lbs) in squat I'm back up to 225, but going below parallel now. Still felt like I was breaking form a little bit to get a rep or two up, so although I got 6 on my last set I'mma stick to 225 and make sure I don't break form at all.

PR'd in power cleans too. Now if I don't get full reps on bench again tomorrow I'mma fucking rage.

Well, I got to the gym and had to go for it...

And I fucking do it!!!! 315x20. It took 15 min for me to be able to type this and a lot of dry heaving. Fuck deload week. PR this mother fucker!!!!

Holy shit! Were you able to make it to a bathroom before dry heaving??
 

kylej

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Well, I got to the gym and had to go for it...

And I fucking do it!!!! 315x20. It took 15 min for me to be able to type this and a lot of dry heaving. Fuck deload week. PR this mother fucker!!!!

Are you on hormones right now or are you natural? I don't care either way but your strength gains are insane.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Ok, just got home. Man my legs are pumped up so much it was hard to drive.

Anyway, so I get to the gym and just have to go for it, especially after MJ's post. I warm up and go for it. Did 4 breathing sets of 5. I get to 10, and feel a little tired, but good to go. At 15 I'm seeing stars and I'm lightheaded as fuck, also, my legs are going numb, but I say fuck it and go ahead anyway. At 17 I couldn't "compose" myself anymore and was shouting as I was coming out of the hole. It was like a grizzly bear call to war. When I finally finished at 20 my legs would not obey me, so I had to waddle to the rack. After that I crumpled and dry heaved for 15 minutes and had severe tunnel vision. When I was done feeling sorry for myself, I arose a man.

I'm sure everyone thought I was weird. One of the trainers that always sees me there was fucking impressed though.

This shit feels fucking good man.

Jesus Christ, does your body produce D-dbol?

I don't think so! ;)

Damn that's good, nice PR! I'm going for 310 today 2x5 and then a max reps set. I was thinking if I hit 10 on the max I'll be very happy. 20 would likely kill me.

What is your current 1RM and 3x5 if you know and dont mind me asking?

I don't know, but I would guess I could probably get 420x5 pretty easy right now.

This pushes my 1rm up to 525

Are you on hormones right now or are you natural? I don't care either way but your strength gains are insane.

Natural.

ON Whey and creatine, that's it.

Holy shit! Were you able to make it to a bathroom before dry heaving??

Nope, I couldn't fucking move.
 
Not to take anything away from it, but 1RM calculations generally get less accurate the further away you are from a max effort. Repetition strength doesn't always equate to max effort strength, as it has a different physical and neurological effect on your body.

Still, even if it's "only" 500 lbs, that's fucking awesome!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Oh fuck, you just puked all over the floor! Daaaaammmnnnnn.

Nah, dry heaving is without actually puking.


Not to take anything away from it, but 1RM calculations generally get less accurate the further away you are from a max effort. Repetition strength doesn't always equate to max effort strength, as it has a different physical and neurological effect on your body.

Still, even if it's "only" 500 lbs, that's fucking awesome!

Yeah, I imagine I'm somewhere around 500 even realistically. Especially since your body has to learn how to lift that much anyway.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Nah, dry heaving is without actually puking.

Ohhhhhhh, okay. In 9th grade I got wasted and puked out all the beer and eventually was just puking up little bits of acid and my friend called it dry heaving, so I thought it meant puking up acid. Now the "dry" actually makes sense after all these years. Cheers.

edit: did you just not have anything in your body to puke? No PWO meal?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Ohhhhhhh, okay. In 9th grade I got wasted and puked out all the beer and eventually was just puking up little bits of acid and my friend called it dry heaving, so I thought it meant puking up acid. Now the "dry" actually makes sense after all these years. Cheers.

edit: did you just not have anything in your body to puke? No PWO meal?

Oh no, I had eggs and sausage in there, I had to keep kicking it back.
 
Going for a cut myself and I'm just wondering what are you doing different as opposed to bulking? Workout routine/diet would be helpful and I be down to talk in PMs if need be.

Thanks!
It really mostly in the diet. I go on high protein low/moderate carb diets within 500 of my calorie deficit. I tend to keep protein really high, usually 1.5-2g/lb. My body does not cut well with carbs, I've tried, and even when I'm carb cycling I have to keep carbs under what they should be.

There's a lot of great articles and discussions on carb cycling diets, macro amounts, etc. It really depends on the person how you juggle your macros. When it comes to keto, it's pretty simple. I follow it like a normal cut, except I eliminate carbs and up the fat. Protein stays high. Both diets tend to maximize fat loss while minimizing muscle loss with relatively quick results. They can be pretty tricky to come off of however. Also get used to feeling like shit, even after entering ketosis the energy you have is no where near a normal cutting diet.

As far as my routine goes, it doesn't change all that drastically between the too. Id o more cardio and HIIT on a cut, but still try to lift heavy. As City said, gains do slow down, but I have made some strength improvement while cutting.

Typical lifting routine, 5-8 reps a set, 3 working sets per exercise, 3-5 exercises per group. I pyramid my weights (increase weight slightly with each set).

When I switched over to keto last summer was when I made the most success cutting, and oddly enough, some decent strength gains. My days were broken down like this:

Sunday - Abs/Cardio
Monday - Chest/Tris
Tuesday - Shoulders/Traps
Wednesday - Arms/Cardio (Don't do this)
Thursday - Legs
Friday - Back/Bis
Saturday - Rest/Cardio

I would sometimes throw in an arm day (as I pointed out), but it was mostly pointless, a bodybuilding thing really.

I never did HIIT on keto, only low intensity cardio for 30-45 mins. When I move over to carb cycling I start adding in 1-2 days of HIIT and upping non-HIT cardio to medium intensity.

I'll break down a back/bi day to give you a basic idea, but I kept things fresh so they didn't always go down like this.

Back
- Deadlifts/Pullups (warmup)
- Deadlifts
- Lat Pulldowns
- BB/DB Bent over rows
- Seated rows

Bis
- Standing DB curls
- Reverse grip cable curls
- Chin-ups/close grip pulldowns burnout

Like I said, 3 sets on each, 5-8 reps, pyramiding the weight. I usually do rep changes like this: 8 8 5-6. If I'm still warming up there will be a fourth set (plus the warm up sets) at the start, 12 8 8 6.

Basically it. A disclaimer though, I have never really followed a program. I've been pretty much learning this shit as I go, and as I mentioned in an earlier post I've been reluctant to offer advice here. I don't know everything, nor would I even say I know a lot. I just know what has worked for me and that's the advice I can give. I'm still learning.
 

Dance Inferno

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Hey guys I need some quick workout advice. Back in October I messed up my left wrist and now I can't do any lifting where my wrist is supinated. As you can imagine, this doesn't leave me with very many options for biceps workouts. I've been doing hammer curls, rope curls, and pull ups (in the hammer position), but I feel like I'm not really working out my arms as much as I could. Are there any exercises I could add to my routine to make up for this?
 

JB1981

Member
Whats up with my knee? I get some pain when I play sports and most of the time when I'm squatting. Its kinda hard to describe the pain, but if I press on that soft spot directly below the knee cap I can trigger some pain. Closer to the bone the more pain I can trigger.

Could be a few things, chondromalacia patella, patellar tendinitis, ITB syndrome etc. Kind of hard to figure out based on your description. How severe is the pain?
 
Anybody box? I just went for the first time today, just did alot of jump rope and hopped in place lol. But its much for fun than running for aerobics.
I box. I don't go to a gym but I have all my equipment at home and spar with a friend.

I tend to warm up on jump rope. Then I start a 12 round rotation between the heavy bag, speed bag and double end bag. 3 minute rounds, 1 minute break. It comes up to 48 minutes and you are exhausted. This has improved my cardio more than anything ever has and it's a lot easier mentally than running on a treadmill or cycling.

Also keeping your hands up works your traps hard. I always had issues making my traps grow. Shrugs did nothing. Deadlifts didn't affect traps. But I began boxing and they blew up.

The first battle is keeping your hands up for essentially 48 minutes a day with 1+lb of extra weight on them. It will set your shoulders and upper back on fire.

Edit: Also I use the slip bag for a great lower back and ab workout.
 

Cheeto

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Could be a few things, chondromalacia patella, patellar tendinitis, ITB syndrome etc. Kind of hard to figure out based on your description. How severe is the pain?

Its not that bad. If I ignore it I can still run around and play dodgeball and whatnot. If I press on that spot I was talking about, the pain flairs but even then its only about a 5 or 6 out of 10.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Something I forgot to mention earlier. I'm also still losing fat while maintaining 240lbs I started at the third notch in my weight belt being tight, now I can nearly get the 5th notch.


Here's an article for barefoot running. It's a good read. Speaks on how running has changed for the worse to increase injury and why barefoot running/minimalist running is better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/running-christopher-mcdougall.html?pagewanted=all
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Cooter, I thought you were more cut? Your last picture looked like it, but I don't think you were shirtless in the last pic.

I was last summer. I got down to 170 then. I'm a lot stronger now and being that lean just isn't worth it. I could cut up again in a few weeks but what's the point? I was always tired and hungry. No thanks. Besides, my wife likes me better with a little extra bulk. :)
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I was last summer. I got down to 170 then. I'm a lot stronger now and being that lean just isn't worth it. I could cut up again in a few weeks but what's the point? I was always tired and hungry. No thanks. Besides, my wife likes me better with a little extra bulk. :)

Strength > aesthetics, but I can understand the want to have both. Like Wendler says "abs on a skinny guy are like boobs on a fat chick, fucking pointless."

You still look fucking good man, and if the light was overhead instead of behind you, you would look even more "cut."

You guys make me wish I were taller. :(

Pfft, height is overrated.

I'm 5 foot 8, and I'm glad I'm short. ;)
 
Here's an article for barefoot running. It's a good read. Speaks on how running has changed for the worse to increase injury and why barefoot running/minimalist running is better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/running-christopher-mcdougall.html?pagewanted=all
Thanks for the article.

“It amazed me how many people in FiveFingers were still landing on their heels,” he says. They wanted to land lightly on their forefeet, or they wouldn’t be in FiveFingers, but there was a disconnect between their intentions and their actual movements.
That's really interesting. I was already a forefoot runner before Vibrams, but in regular shoes I want to land on my heels and consciously don't. In Vibrams forefoot running comes completely naturally for me. I had read before that running barefoot would make you change immediately since heel landing would hurt. I wonder if the rubber on the Vibrams keeps the pain low enough to not deter it. I've never landed heel first in Vibrams.

Also great job on the squats!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Thanks for the article.


That's really interesting. I was already a forefoot runner before Vibrams, but in regular shoes I want to land on my heels and consciously don't. In Vibrams forefoot running comes completely naturally for me. I had read before that running barefoot would make you change immediately since heel landing would hurt. I wonder if the rubber on the Vibrams keeps the pain low enough to not deter it. I've never landed heel first in Vibrams.

Also great job on the squats!

No problem, and thanks bud!


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