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I need every ingredient listed because I've never done proper cooking (i.e. involving things other than a microwave or an oven) before, and other than salt and pepper it's highly unlikely that I have any of the "standard" items which you might expect someone to have (like cooking oil for example).

I will be going to Tesco after work this afternoon to buy stuff, with the intention of starting the diet change tomorrow morning.

With the dumbells and chin up bar, P90X might be a good fit for you as it also has many recipes included.
 

OG Kush

Member
I need every ingredient listed because I've never done proper cooking (i.e. involving things other than a microwave or an oven) before, and other than salt and pepper it's highly unlikely that I have any of the "standard" items which you might expect someone to have (like cooking oil for example).

I will be going to Tesco after work this afternoon to buy stuff, with the intention of starting the diet change tomorrow morning.

mate you know the basics. just eat clean. eggs a good source of protein for breakfast, don't eat white bread eat whole wheat, eat brown rice instead of white, eat veggies and a lot of protein. fruit is a good replacement if you have a sweet tooth. Drink water, none of that shit like soft drinks and juices. replace bad snacks with stuff lik carrots and hummous, almonds and cashews etc you know the dealio.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Great article on Soy, you ALL need to read this.

Soy the Protein killer.
Thanks!

I was aware of the estrogenic nature of soy but completely, 100% ignorant on it's anti-protein absorption qualities. The only redemption in this is that I was probably just as ignorant as everybody else who read the article. Not really a justification, but an admission that so many of us read the cliff notes of studies until we get the answers we want and never return to it again.
 

Petrie

Banned
I need every ingredient listed because I've never done proper cooking (i.e. involving things other than a microwave or an oven) before, and other than salt and pepper it's highly unlikely that I have any of the "standard" items which you might expect someone to have (like cooking oil for example).

I will be going to Tesco after work this afternoon to buy stuff, with the intention of starting the diet change tomorrow morning.

You know how to use an oven. Bake come chicken, season it however you want. Throw some veggies in the microwave. Boom, you cooked yourself a healthy meal. Repeat as desired.
 

MjFrancis

Member
The Dragon Flag
by Al Kavadlo 4/27/2012

Like many great exercises, performing a proper dragon flag takes practice. You might even need to do some remedial work before you're ready for it. I recommend you begin by working on straight leg raises while lying on your back. Go slowly and don't swing your legs or allow your lower back to arch.

When you reach the point where you can do multiple reps without losing form, you're ready to work on the dragon flag. Start by practicing the negative (lowering) phase of the dragon flag first. Kick up into the vertical position, and then try to lower your body down as slowly as possible.

Once you get confident with negatives, try doing a static hold at the bottom with your body hovering an inch or two over the bench. When you can hold this position for 2-3 seconds, you're ready to start working on full dragon flags.

The progression should look something like this:

  • Week 1: Lying leg raises – 3-5 sets x10-15 reps
  • Week 2: Lying leg raises – 3-5 sets x15-25 reps
  • Week 3: Dragon flag negatives – 3-5 sets x3-5 reps
  • Week 4: Dragon flag negatives with static hold at the bottom – 3-5 sets x3-5 reps
  • Week 5: Full dragon flags – 3-5 sets x3-5 reps
  • Week 6: Full dragon flags – 3-5 sets x10 reps

While some will be ready to jump in at week 5 or 6, others will need to stick with each phase for longer than two weeks. Progress doesn't occur at the same rate for everyone, but if you're patient and persistent, your day will come.
 

Dosia

Member
I need every ingredient listed because I've never done proper cooking (i.e. involving things other than a microwave or an oven) before, and other than salt and pepper it's highly unlikely that I have any of the "standard" items which you might expect someone to have (like cooking oil for example).

I will be going to Tesco after work this afternoon to buy stuff, with the intention of starting the diet change tomorrow morning.

No offense but your treating cooking like its rocket science. Buy some food and cook it for christ sake. Like anything it takes experience, just do it already.
 

Idde

Member
The Dragon Flag
by Al Kavadlo 4/27/2012

How many training sessions a week is this? Going to five sets of ten dragon flags in a week seems...fast, coming off five sets of five. I could use something new to try out, DF's have always been fun.

We just had a powerlifting contest at my gym. DL 355, squat, 275, bench 220. At 175 myself. Nothing compared to a guy who did 485 on DL, 385 on squat and 330 on bench. Also at 175 pounds. That dude was a freaking beast. Pretty humbling :p
 

ecierif

Member
You know how to use an oven. Bake come chicken, season it however you want. Throw some veggies in the microwave. Boom, you cooked yourself a healthy meal. Repeat as desired.

When you guys bake chicken do they tend to be boned rather than boneless? Maybe I'm just leaving them in there too long or something, but when I attempted to bake boneless chicken breasts they ended up being dry and chewy. I read somewhere that boneless chicken tends to dry quicker and should be cooked at higher temperatures for shorter times. I've enjoyed them much more when cooking them on a stove with a grill pan.
 
When you guys bake chicken do they tend to be boned rather than boneless? Maybe I'm just leaving them in there too long or something, but when I attempted to bake boneless chicken breasts they ended up being dry and chewy. I read somewhere that boneless chicken tends to dry quicker and should be cooked at higher temperatures for shorter times. I've enjoyed them much more when cooking them on a stove with a grill pan.

You might be cooking it too high and/or too long but breast does dry out a lot quicker. Leaving the skin on when cooking can help prevent some of the drying out.
 
That's not sickly.

Pretty sure that's better than 90% of people.

Yeah, you looked way above average. But I definitely understand why you think you looked bad. It is awesome for your current self-esteem.

Man you look awful.
The hell? I fail to see anything wrong with your body.

Thx for the comments guys. I think, for me anyway, I see the people in this thread, at the gym, and some of my friends who are a lot bigger/stronger than me. So I see that as the norm and I want to push myself to get to that level.

FallingEdge, I hate to break it to you but you might have a muscle dysmorphic disorder, also known as bigorexia/fatorexia. Good thing the end result is a swole body at your current pace.

I looked into that and while I am not that hardcore, I can say some of the things that were listed can be applied to me. I remember a few times about being annoyed that I didn't get enough protein for the day. However, I have never let the gym/diet dictate my life to that level. Do I want to look and feel good? Yes. Do I want to work hard? Of course. Am I a bit hard on myself? I can admit to that as well.

Thanks for all your input.
 

bro1

Banned
Had a good workout today, but not sure if I did enough. I pyramided up to a PR of 385x3 on the deadlift today. Did about 5-8 sets total to get up there, but it was good. After that, I did two circuts of 35lbs Thrusters, Chins, and Dips. Is that enough?
 

MjFrancis

Member
How many training sessions a week is this? Going to five sets of ten dragon flags in a week seems...fast, coming off five sets of five. I could use something new to try out, DF's have always been fun.
I'm assuming two, maybe three times a week. Based on an individual's particular recovery I imagine.

We just had a powerlifting contest at my gym. DL 355, squat, 275, bench 220. At 175 myself. Nothing compared to a guy who did 485 on DL, 385 on squat and 330 on bench. Also at 175 pounds. That dude was a freaking beast. Pretty humbling :p
That sounds like a lot of fun. This reminds me where Jim Wendler insists competition makes a great cornerstone of training. That way you know where you stand. It takes a lot of guts and honesty to lay your weaknesses in front of all to judge.


FallingEdge said:
I looked into that and while I am not that hardcore, I can say some of the things that were listed can be applied to me. I remember a few times about being annoyed that I didn't get enough protein for the day. However, I have never let the gym/diet dictate my life to that level. Do I want to look and feel good? Yes. Do I want to work hard? Of course. Am I a bit hard on myself? I can admit to that as well.
Staying happy while never being content to settle with what you have - that's where it's at.


I had an odd moment earlier in the week. Someone stopped in their tracks to give me a compliment. The guy gestured towards me and said, "Not that is what I want to be!" I gave him a puzzled look, I'm sure. "You're fit and you've got abs like I want to have." Then the conversation started on how he's been hitting the gym for the past nine months, lost 40lbs but has a hard time with the last bit of belly fat. I gave him cursory encouragement that Oprah would drool over and sent him on his merry way. After all there's only so much conversation I can carry on with in a fucking locker room.

Before this I've never given much thought that anyone would want to look like me, but when I did I figured no one would. I've had comments on my physical ability from time to time, but never my appearance. Rather than let it get to my head I've chose to just keep pushing my training and taking little baby steps towards improvement every day. Incidentally I am just shy of 6'0" and 170lbs and whatever bodyfat it takes to have a six-pack, but really the crux of what I've done is taken roughly three hours of each week for the past two years to lift a few more pounds or a put up a few more reps than I did in the weeks before.

It all comes back to how I can accept both Jim Wendler and Al Kavadlo as fitness gurus and inspirations. Their stances on fitness, being strong, and health are radically different, yet at the end of the day both of these guys emphasize physical ability over aesthetics. Pick a few physical goals, dominate and devastate them, and "somehow" a respectable body will be built along the way to achieve those goals.
 

JB1981

Member
Think I need to start cleaning up my diet a little, even though I eat pretty damn good. Guess I have to cut out the carbs or reduce them significantly. I am developing something of a skinny-fat gut for the first time ever. Uncharted territory for me. I guess this is what happens when you reach your 30s?
 

deadbeef

Member
When you guys bake chicken do they tend to be boned rather than boneless? Maybe I'm just leaving them in there too long or something, but when I attempted to bake boneless chicken breasts they ended up being dry and chewy. I read somewhere that boneless chicken tends to dry quicker and should be cooked at higher temperatures for shorter times. I've enjoyed them much more when cooking them on a stove with a grill pan.

I sauté chicken breasts. Trim the fat and then pound flat with a meat tenderizer. Smear them with 2 parts salt, 1 part black pepper, and 1 part paprika. Spray with olive oil cooking spray and sauté over med-high heat until done.
 
Took around a little less than a year. I'm in the process of losing fat. Was the biggest at 230. Trying for around 210 by July before bulking up again in the fall. I've always been the one to focus on strength, but right now, my goal is size. Last time I checked...

Squat - 315 1x8
Bench - 255 1x8
OHP - 170 1x6
Deadlift - 395 1x8

Prolly can do more but I haven't really tried since my injury in February. Tore a tendon in my finger. Finger is pretty much healed now but I am doing more of a BB type of routine. DBs and whatnot.

Good numbers man. I have a lot to shoot for. After about a month taking it seriously and finishing my 2nd week of the new simplified MWF compound routine(best decision I have made), I am here:

Squats 275 3x5
OHP 145 3x5
Bench 195 3x5
Deadlift 275 1x5
Barbell Row 145 3x5
Power Clean 165 5x3

So far I have been able to move up 10 lbs upper and 20 lb lower weekly. Been feeling strong man. Neogaf is the truth! but I still have a ways to go and a lot to learn.
 

ChanHuk

Banned
When you guys bake chicken do they tend to be boned rather than boneless? Maybe I'm just leaving them in there too long or something, but when I attempted to bake boneless chicken breasts they ended up being dry and chewy. I read somewhere that boneless chicken tends to dry quicker and should be cooked at higher temperatures for shorter times. I've enjoyed them much more when cooking them on a stove with a grill pan.

Keeping anything on the bone helps prevent the meat from going dry. Bake, then with skin and bone on, remove after it's done cooking and properly rested.
 
Just had a two week break from strength training because of a cold and other things. First pass today (breast and shoulders) and I didn't have the strength to lift any of my ordinary weights and I couldn't do as many reps either. :/ I couldn't even do dips. I usually do like 4x6 to begin my training.

Can I really have lost that much in two weeks? It's not like I was out cold in bed this time either.
 
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When you guys bake chicken do they tend to be boned rather than boneless? Maybe I'm just leaving them in there too long or something, but when I attempted to bake boneless chicken breasts they ended up being dry and chewy. I read somewhere that boneless chicken tends to dry quicker and should be cooked at higher temperatures for shorter times. I've enjoyed them much more when cooking them on a stove with a grill pan.

http://smittenkitchen.com/2012/01/buttermilk-roast-chicken/

This is my go-to chicken recipe. It's amazing, tender, and takes literally 5 minutes of prep time. I don't like my cooking to be complex. I want sub-10 minute prep time, minimal ingredients (or at the very least, ingredients that I can buy in bulk that won't spoil), and the ability to prepare in large batches. This hits all 3 of those requirements.

I use bone-in, skin-on legs and thighs (only $2.67/lb at Whole Foods!). You could probably sub in any chicken and it'd still be pretty good due to the brining, but the skin gets all crispy and delicious when roasted so that's why I like it. For veggies, I'll just throw one of these recipes in the oven with the chicken:

http://www.skinnytaste.com/2010/03/roasted-broccoli-with-smashed-garlic.html
http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/05/garlic-parmesan-roasted-cauliflower-389.html

Out of curiosity, anyone have a rough idea of the nutritional difference between boneless/skinless and bone-in/skin-on?
 

JB1981

Member
Just had a two week break from strength training because of a cold and other things. First pass today (breast and shoulders) and I didn't have the strength to lift any of my ordinary weights and I couldn't do as many reps either. :/ I couldn't even do dips. I usually do like 4x6 to begin my training.

Can I really have lost that much in two weeks? It's not I was out cold in bed this time either.

Yea sometimes it's hard coming back after being sick.
 

ezrarh

Member
I looked into that and while I am not that hardcore, I can say some of the things that were listed can be applied to me. I remember a few times about being annoyed that I didn't get enough protein for the day. However, I have never let the gym/diet dictate my life to that level. Do I want to look and feel good? Yes. Do I want to work hard? Of course. Am I a bit hard on myself? I can admit to that as well.

Thanks for all your input.

Yeah, I was just mostly kidding on that. I don't think you're there but like Mj said, I think being at a place where you're happy with your body but always want to strive for better is a good thing. It's not a fine line so it's something we all can easily balance. I'm the same way, well, mainly in regards to strength gain. I get annoyed when I feel sluggish or not keep up to pace on my goals. But I'm with you on sometimes getting annoyed when I don't get enough protein for the day.
 

grumble

Member
http://smittenkitchen.com/2012/01/buttermilk-roast-chicken/

This is my go-to chicken recipe. It's amazing, tender, and takes literally 5 minutes of prep time. I don't like my cooking to be complex. I want sub-10 minute prep time, minimal ingredients (or at the very least, ingredients that I can buy in bulk that won't spoil), and the ability to prepare in large batches. This hits all 3 of those requirements.

I use bone-in, skin-on legs and thighs (only $2.67/lb at Whole Foods!). You could probably sub in any chicken and it'd still be pretty good due to the brining, but the skin gets all crispy and delicious when roasted so that's why I like it. For veggies, I'll just throw one of these recipes in the oven with the chicken:

http://www.skinnytaste.com/2010/03/roasted-broccoli-with-smashed-garlic.html
http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/05/garlic-parmesan-roasted-cauliflower-389.html

Out of curiosity, anyone have a rough idea of the nutritional difference between boneless/skinless and bone-in/skin-on?

No difference with the bone, because you'll avoid eating that either way but the skin should add a little fat and a few extra calories. I wouldn't sweat it.
 

Prologue

Member
I got probably the same injury a couple months back, doing lying tricep extensions with a barbell. It still hurts if I put pressure on the wrist (bench press) or if I rotate the wrist while handling a weight, like when putting a kettlebell in position to do... lying tricep extensions. It hurts on the outside of the hand or "streaming" down from the thumb, and sometimes the hand just feels weak or numb. Sad to say I haven't been to a doctor yet.

Doctor said its a case of tendonitis. Pain is getting better so I'm sure she's right and its not a tear or anything. Ice bandage for a week and two pills of aleve twice a day for 5 days.
 

Natural

Member
Just had a two week break from strength training because of a cold and other things. First pass today (breast and shoulders) and I didn't have the strength to lift any of my ordinary weights and I couldn't do as many reps either. :/ I couldn't even do dips. I usually do like 4x6 to begin my training.

Can I really have lost that much in two weeks? It's not like I was out cold in bed this time either.

Yeah I hate it when that happens. Give it a few weeks though and you should be back to where you was!
 

X-Frame

Member
Staying happy while never being content to settle with what you have - that's where it's at.

I had an odd moment earlier in the week. Someone stopped in their tracks to give me a compliment. The guy gestured towards me and said, "Not that is what I want to be!" I gave him a puzzled look, I'm sure. "You're fit and you've got abs like I want to have." Then the conversation started on how he's been hitting the gym for the past nine months, lost 40lbs but has a hard time with the last bit of belly fat. I gave him cursory encouragement that Oprah would drool over and sent him on his merry way. After all there's only so much conversation I can carry on with in a fucking locker room.

Before this I've never given much thought that anyone would want to look like me, but when I did I figured no one would. I've had comments on my physical ability from time to time, but never my appearance. Rather than let it get to my head I've chose to just keep pushing my training and taking little baby steps towards improvement every day. Incidentally I am just shy of 6'0" and 170lbs and whatever bodyfat it takes to have a six-pack, but really the crux of what I've done is taken roughly three hours of each week for the past two years to lift a few more pounds or a put up a few more reps than I did in the weeks before.

It all comes back to how I can accept both Jim Wendler and Al Kavadlo as fitness gurus and inspirations. Their stances on fitness, being strong, and health are radically different, yet at the end of the day both of these guys emphasize physical ability over aesthetics. Pick a few physical goals, dominate and devastate them, and "somehow" a respectable body will be built along the way to achieve those goals.

Such an awesome post Francis and I agree 100%!

I need to re-evaluate some of my fitness goals and update them as well. Always fun to be on personal quests.
 

balddemon

Banned
so i went tot he gym today not expecting much , because i was (still am) dehydrated, and only had half a subway footlong in me.

squat - 295x3x5. wtf, this was easy.

ohp - 115x3x5. also easy.

deadlift - 315x1x5. not easy, but definitely not hard lol.

3x5,6,6 chins. fun.

anyways went a lot better than i expected. it might have helped that i had today off work, so i went 3.5hours after i woke up instead of 9.

also, my lower back wasn't tight after squatting, is that good?
 

Srsly

Banned
so i went tot he gym today not expecting much , because i was (still am) dehydrated, and only had half a subway footlong in me.

WTF. Why would you not just drink water if you're dehydrated? If I'm not feeling hydrated enough when i hit the gym, I just walk to the fountain between me first few warm up sets and that's enough.
 
Had a wonderful leg workout last night, I'm still working my way up on my squats as I continue to adjust back to BB squatting. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to rep out 315 no problem next session. I'm pretty excited. I've never done heavy BB squats before (remember I did Smith for the longest) so it's nice to see my body is able to handle the weight. I still get fucking nervous under the bar though.

In all honesty, I don't see myself stalling much unless it's mental. My legs are strong enough to squat much heavier. Here's hoping.

Also weighed in at 179 today, and the bloat from the past weekend looks to be pretty much gone. Finally.

Monday I'm making sweet potato oatmeal pancakes. Hell yeah!

I had an odd moment earlier in the week. Someone stopped in their tracks to give me a compliment. The guy gestured towards me and said, "Not that is what I want to be!" I gave him a puzzled look, I'm sure. "You're fit and you've got abs like I want to have." Then the conversation started on how he's been hitting the gym for the past nine months, lost 40lbs but has a hard time with the last bit of belly fat. I gave him cursory encouragement that Oprah would drool over and sent him on his merry way. After all there's only so much conversation I can carry on with in a fucking locker room.

Before this I've never given much thought that anyone would want to look like me, but when I did I figured no one would. I've had comments on my physical ability from time to time, but never my appearance. Rather than let it get to my head I've chose to just keep pushing my training and taking little baby steps towards improvement every day. Incidentally I am just shy of 6'0" and 170lbs and whatever bodyfat it takes to have a six-pack, but really the crux of what I've done is taken roughly three hours of each week for the past two years to lift a few more pounds or a put up a few more reps than I did in the weeks before.

It all comes back to how I can accept both Jim Wendler and Al Kavadlo as fitness gurus and inspirations. Their stances on fitness, being strong, and health are radically different, yet at the end of the day both of these guys emphasize physical ability over aesthetics. Pick a few physical goals, dominate and devastate them, and "somehow" a respectable body will be built along the way to achieve those goals.
*thumbs up* I agree. I've had two very similar moments the past couple of weeks. Two delivery guys at a local sandwich shop (I get lettuce wraps occasionally, don't look at me like that!) both stopped to chit chat with me about fitness. The first guy was very slim, and he was trying to get bigger and was told to start reading Starting Strength by a couple of guys at him gym. I reassured him that it was an amazing place to start, and building strength and fitness is the way to go.

The second guy was on the other end of the spectrum, very overweight. He threw some questions at me about my lifting history. Then I told him how I used to be obese and his jaw just sort of hit the floor and hit me with a barrage of questions. How I got started, why did I do it, what my goals were. He even asked to see a picture of me when I was heavy. I always have my student ID handy cause of this, I look like such a puffy mofo in it. It was taken just as I started working out. But yeah, I pretty much gave him the same answers I give to other people struggling with obesity. Keep it simple, make small steps and goals, be prepared to fail (it's inevitable, but NOT a bad thing), and focus on the health benefits over the mirror and the scale. Ultimately the gift of a longer, more functional, life will mean more for you. The physical changes are just icing on the cake.

I guess as I move on to different goals, mostly bodybuilding related, I'm starting to forget where I've come from. It's nice when new people hit me up or ask me about my story as it reminds me of what I've accomplished.

I went to bodybuilding route because I think I've got the frame and size to do it. I've been told by a lot of people in and out of the sport that I should look into it, so that's what I'm doing. Strength, flexibility, yadda yadda is all still as important to me. Again, Alien has posted some interesting articles on the matter. I think however for the average person, focusing on health is the better goal. You don't have to train to look good, to look good.
 

kylej

Banned
Anyone have any tips or info on tennis elbow? Had it for about two years and I just have a small wrap I use that seems to help.

Do you lockout when lifting? I know it's probably shitty form, but I stop just before lockout now on all my lifts and my elbow pain has gone away completely.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Benched 345x2 today and immediately followed up with 345x1. Could have done it in the previous set, but I had to reset the bar because my hand felt "odd" so I re positioned and did the following set. Didn't count it as the same set though, that would be cheating. ;)

I had an odd moment earlier in the week. Someone stopped in their tracks to give me a compliment. The guy gestured towards me and said, "Not that is what I want to be!" I gave him a puzzled look, I'm sure. "You're fit and you've got abs like I want to have." Then the conversation started on how he's been hitting the gym for the past nine months, lost 40lbs but has a hard time with the last bit of belly fat. I gave him cursory encouragement that Oprah would drool over and sent him on his merry way. After all there's only so much conversation I can carry on with in a fucking locker room.

Before this I've never given much thought that anyone would want to look like me, but when I did I figured no one would. I've had comments on my physical ability from time to time, but never my appearance. Rather than let it get to my head I've chose to just keep pushing my training and taking little baby steps towards improvement every day. Incidentally I am just shy of 6'0" and 170lbs and whatever bodyfat it takes to have a six-pack, but really the crux of what I've done is taken roughly three hours of each week for the past two years to lift a few more pounds or a put up a few more reps than I did in the weeks before.

It all comes back to how I can accept both Jim Wendler and Al Kavadlo as fitness gurus and inspirations. Their stances on fitness, being strong, and health are radically different, yet at the end of the day both of these guys emphasize physical ability over aesthetics. Pick a few physical goals, dominate and devastate them, and "somehow" a respectable body will be built along the way to achieve those goals.



I agree, especially with devastating and dominating your goals.
 

abuC

Member
A formal fuck you to Sciatica, deadlifted today and just pushed through the dull ache, back feels better after than it did before.
 

balddemon

Banned
I do have to say though, I wish this thread had more bodybuilder posters.
i'm thinking about switching to a bodybuilding routine, but no idea where to start
WTF. Why would you not just drink water if you're dehydrated? If I'm not feeling hydrated enough when i hit the gym, I just walk to the fountain between me first few warm up sets and that's enough.

i drank water from when i woke up til i went lol, and i drink water between sets. i could still tell i was dehydrated a bit. bettern ow though.
 

thomaser

Member
Doctor said its a case of tendonitis. Pain is getting better so I'm sure she's right and its not a tear or anything. Ice bandage for a week and two pills of aleve twice a day for 5 days.

Thanks! I'll try to do the same, and then go to the doctor myself if it doesn't heal in a week or two.
 

rossonero

Member
Hello guys, I've been following a program and going tonthe gym three times a week and also doing HIIT-cardio on my gym-free days. Now the program has switched to working out 5 times a week and I don't know how to fit in the HIIT-sessions.

Is it enough to maybe do the cardio 6 AM and then go work out 2-3 PM? I also hit the bicycle for 15 minutes after lifting, is that overkill?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Hello guys, I've been following a program and going tonthe gym three times a week and also doing HIIT-cardio on my gym-free days. Now the program has switched to working out 5 times a week and I don't know how to fit in the HIIT-sessions.

Is it enough to maybe do the cardio 6 AM and then go work out 2-3 PM? I also hit the bicycle for 15 minutes after lifting, is that overkill?

Not nearly enough info to go on.

How long have you been lifting? What's the program? How long have you been on the program? How long have you been doing cardio? What kind of HIIT are you doing? etc, etc.

The main way to tell if it's too much is if you begin to see a loss or stagnation in progress. (especially of you're still a novice/intermediate).
 

rossonero

Member
Not nearly enough info to go on.

How long have you been lifting? What's the program? How long have you been on the program? How long have you been doing cardio? What kind of HIIT are you doing? etc, etc.

The main way to tell if it's too much is if you begin to see a loss or stagnation in progress. (especially of you're still a novice/intermediate).

I've been following the Get Started program on ast-ss.se for 9 weeks and will start their 12 week Max-OT program this Monday. I've been doing the cardio almost as long and the HIIT has been done on those bikes with back support or what it's called. Basically intervalls of 30 seconds on intensity level 20 and then 90 seconds on intensity 8 for 16 minutes.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I've been following the Get Started program on ast-ss.se for 9 weeks and will start their 12 week Max-OT program this Monday. I've been doing the cardio almost as long and the HIIT has been done on those bikes with back support or what it's called. Basically intervalls of 30 seconds on intensity level 20 and then 90 seconds on intensity 8 for 16 minutes.

Not familiar with that program, but if everything you're doing is a part of that program and not a variation you made, you should probably just stick with it.
 

mooooose

Member
Should I continue doing one arm DB rows or should I try and do BB? I suck at BB my form is terrible and I just can't figure it out its always so awkward but my back still seems pretty weak my rows suck.
 

Mr.City

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Should I continue doing one arm DB rows or should I try and do BB? I suck at BB my form is terrible, and I just can't figure it out. Its always so awkward and my back still seems pretty weak. My rows suck.

1. Please grammar

2. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlRrIsoDpKg

Hello guys, I've been following a program and going tonthe gym three times a week and also doing HIIT-cardio on my gym-free days. Now the program has switched to working out 5 times a week and I don't know how to fit in the HIIT-sessions.

Is it enough to maybe do the cardio 6 AM and then go work out 2-3 PM? I also hit the bicycle for 15 minutes after lifting, is that overkill?

Why are you doing all this cardio? What's going on here?
 
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