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[FallingEdge]

Are you lifting at all? I got down to 195lbs at 6'3 and I looked ridiculously thin and ill - I can't even imagine what I'd look like at 170. I'm 220lbs now and I look way better than I ever did at lower weights. You're really doing yourself a disservice if you're not hitting the gym a few times a week to do some big compound lifts.

Yeah dood. I'm 6'2 and when I weighed 190/195, I looked stupid skinny. Did not look good at all. Much like you, I'm at 220 and I look and feel much better. Trying to lose 10 lbs or so. Want to cut to down to around 10% bf by July. It is going okay so far lol.

Oh, and by far my biggest change in diet was drastically cutting down grain intake. I really didnt eat that many sugary foods to begin with, and havent drank anything besides water or tea in a long long time. So yea, getting rid of grain, HUGE difference. Eating more meat and veggies is just so much more filling since you are using fat as the energy source and not glucose.

Cutting down grain intake by how much? You can still eat around 150-300g of carbs and be perfectly fine. And if you plan on lifting harder and heavier, you are going to need those carbs.

 

[Piecake]

Yeah dood. I'm 6'2 and when I weighed 190/195, I looked stupid skinny. Did not look good at all. Much like you, I'm at 220 and I look and feel much better. Trying to lose 10 lbs or so. Want to cut to down to around 10% bf by July. It is going okay so far lol.



Cutting down grain intake by how much? You can still eat around 150-300g of carbs and be perfectly fine. And if you plan on lifting harder and heavier, you are going to need those carbs.

I really have no idea on the exact amount. I just eliminated grain from breakfast and lunch, and eat grain occasionally for dinner. I eat a ton of veggies and fruit, so I imagine Im somewhere in the 100-200 range. And I dont plan on doing any heavy lifting, and I disagree that I would actually need to eat more carbs if i did (well, i probably would if i seriously worked out, but i dont really plan on doing that)

 

[Jaladinozozo]

Posted this in the P90X thread but I want your guys take on it. I forgot to mention in that thread I want to try to add mass without using weights. (I lifted a lot before but am trying something different at this point in my life). Doesn't even have to be a lot, a pound a month and I will be happy. Right now I have been losing weight for several months since being 195lb at 6 foot 1 and have dropped to 170lbs but a really low body fat, low enough that I can finaly see my abs for once.

The problem is I have been stuck at 165-170 for a long time now, and cant seem to add any weight, no matter how much I eat or how much I increase my reps/intensity on my routine. I have now added a weighted vest to every single workout and am wondering is it pointless to try to add mass with a routine like this? What if I were to completely max out and get like a 60lb vest and do 5x5 instead of below? Anyways this is my routine/equipment

Mir 40lb Weighted Vest - Currently doing 20lbs for upper body and 40lb for lower body

Pullups - (wide) 11,9, 8, 6, reverse grip (narrow/palms facing me) - 11, 11, 10, 6
Dips - 12, 10, close grip - 12, 10
Pushups - 20 diamond, 20 normal, 20 wide, 18 diamond
Squats (vest loaded to 40lb) - ass to grass wide stance - 28, 26,24,22
Abs - Leg raises hanging off pullup bar - 20, 18, Leg raises 90 degree off dip bar - 20, 18

Try to do everything in under 1 hour and try to add 1-2 reps to every workout every single time for 7x (2 weeks) before I increase weight by 5lb.

Want to incorporate the following below (instead of regular pullups/pushups) WITH the vest for the first time as well in hopes of adding mass. Have done both below with just bodyweight and its took awhile to crack double digits for my reps on them.

Ring Pullups

Ring pushups

I work out every other day one week and 3x a week the next with kickboxing/pad work on off days.

My diet/supplements -

3 caps Bioforge v3
1 Ons Multi
2 fishoil caps
Ons Whey Oat Protein shake post workouts

Breakfast - Either wholegrain bread with salami and cheese, or fried eggs and bacon/hotdogs, or bagel with smoked salmon, with tea or juice

Lunch - Either a slice of pizza with veggies, or chicken/lamb with rice, or grilled cheese sandwich

Lunch 2 - Some kind of meat/chicken/fish with side of either rice, potatoes, or buckwheat

Dinner - Usually same as above except with salad

Snacks in between - nuts with dried fruit, cottage cheese and honey, yogurt, chocolate milk on workout days

I know its a long post and any advice is appreciated. (AND WHY CANT I GAIN WEIGHT I must freakin eat like 4,000 calories a day at this point....)

 

[Mr.City]

Posted this in the P90X thread but I want your guys take on it. I forgot to mention in that thread I want to try to add mass without using weights. (I lifted a lot before but am trying something different at this point in my life). Doesn't even have to be a lot, a pound a month and I will be happy. Right now I have been losing weight for several months since being 195lb at 6 foot 1 and have dropped to 170lbs but a really low body fat, low enough that I can finaly see my abs for once.

Adding mass with weights is definitely easier, however bodyweight stuff will work too, albeit it a little slower and harder.

My diet/supplements -

3 caps Bioforge v3
1 Ons Multi
2 fishoil caps
Ons Whey Oat Protein shake post workouts

Breakfast - Either wholegrain bread with salami and cheese, or fried eggs and bacon/hotdogs, or bagel with smoked salmon, with tea or juice

Lunch - Either a slice of pizza with veggies, or chicken/lamb with rice, or grilled cheese sandwich

Lunch 2 - Some kind of meat/chicken/fish with side of either rice, potatoes, or buckwheat

Dinner - Usually same as above except with salad

Snacks in between - nuts with dried fruit, cottage cheese and honey, yogurt, chocolate milk on workout days

I know its a long post and any advice is appreciated. (AND WHY CANT I GAIN WEIGHT I must freakin eat like 4,000 calories a day at this point....)

Really? Try tracking it. This doesn't seem like a diet designed for weight gain.

zethern: Keep up the good work


I see carbs vs the free world again in this thread, so I bring this:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/all-diets-work-the-importance-of-calories.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/carbohydrate-and-fat-controversies-part-1.html

 

[Timedog]

I weigh 258. This is getting ridiculous I need to cut...uhh...sometime...

My fat percentage is approximately the same as it was at 250 at least according to accu-measure calipers.

 

[HarryHengst]

Breakfast - Either wholegrain bread with salami and cheese, or fried eggs and bacon/hotdogs, or bagel with smoked salmon, with tea or juice

Lunch - Either a slice of pizza with veggies, or chicken/lamb with rice, or grilled cheese sandwich

Lunch 2 - Some kind of meat/chicken/fish with side of either rice, potatoes, or buckwheat

Dinner - Usually same as above except with salad

Snacks in between - nuts with dried fruit, cottage cheese and honey, yogurt, chocolate milk on workout days

I know its a long post and any advice is appreciated. (AND WHY CANT I GAIN WEIGHT I must freakin eat like 4,000 calories a day at this point....)

You probably eat perhaps 2500 calories, because it seems like a regular diet. Its not bad, but really not 4000 calories. Keep eating what you do, but add a gallon of milk every day. If you do that for a few weeks and still cant get weight its time to visit a doctor. But usually, when people say they cant get weight, its because they dont eat enough. So, time to pour olive oil over everything you eat and keep stuffing your face with food.

 

[kylej]

Bout the only thing I do is push ups, air squats, and planks at home for about 15 minutes for like 4 days a week (been doing that for a while). And I definitely dont think I look sickly thin. I definitely am thin though, but that is just the body type I have.

... you do planks for 15 minutes a few times a week and you think it's genetics that's keeping you thin? Start eating, get a gym membership, do starting strength.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Been ill the last couple of days but this morning is really hit me hard.

I went to the gym, walking along the corridor and the guy who cleans the toilets who is pretty wierd asked me if I was alright and I told him I was ill(whilst spluttering and coughing) and he said you shouldnt be working out. Then it hit me and I went home.

Thankyou toilet cleaning wierdo. Gonna take today and tomorrow off.

 

[Carbonox]

Been ill the last couple of days but this morning is really hit me hard.

I went to the gym, walking along the corridor and the guy who cleans the toilets who is pretty wierd asked me if I was alright and I told him I was ill(whilst spluttering and coughing) and he said you shouldnt be working out. Then it hit me and I went home.

Thankyou toilet cleaning wierdo. Gonna take today and tomorrow off.

You should know not to go to the gym if you're ill anyway. Shouldn't have the 'toilet cleaning weirdo' enlighten you. It's disrespectful to the people in the gym who might be perfectly healthy.

 

[HarryHengst]

Yeah, dont go to the gym if you have anything thats contagious, like a cold or a running nose or a fever. If all you have is a headache, thats the time to harden the fuck up and go.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Working out intensely probably just make you ill for longer I would imagine.

Right now my body it trying to fend off the badies inside me making me ill, but working out is attacking and making my muscles and body weaker. It cant be good for it.

Like yesterday I was feeling ill but a lot better than today and I had a leg workout where I pushed myself so hard that I had the feelings of fainting. Today I wake up and feel terrible. It makes sense that ive pushed my illness that bit harder.

 

[snoopen]

You guys get sick regularly? I haven't had a sick day in ~8 months.. Gymming/healthy diet has made my immune system pretty bloody good. Oh and resting for the required amount of time.

 

[Piecake]

... you do planks for 15 minutes a few times a week and you think it's genetics that's keeping you thin? Start eating, get a gym membership, do starting strength.

I dont do each work out for 15 minutes, those 3 things take about 15 minutes for me to do, including downtime. So planks only take me like a minute or 2. Holding a plank for 15 minutes sounds insane

 

[Mr.City]

I weigh 258. This is getting ridiculous I need to cut...uhh...sometime...

Try your hair.

I wonder why Henry got banned.

You probably eat perhaps 2500 calories, because it seems like a regular diet. Its not bad, but really not 4000 calories. Keep eating what you do, but add a gallon of milk every day. If you do that for a few weeks and still cant get weight its time to visit a doctor. But usually, when people say they cant get weight, its because they dont eat enough. So, time to pour olive oil over everything you eat and keep stuffing your face with food.

I agree with some of that, but not of all it. The poster in question is doing some bodyweight stuff at home; he's not squatting 300 for sets of 5. As a result, there's not as much of a need for all those calories since his routine doesn't require that much in terms of recovery.

 

[Petrie]

I dont do each work out for 15 minutes, those 3 things take about 15 minutes for me to do, including downtime. So planks only take me like a minute or 2. Holding a plank for 15 minutes sounds insane

He gets that. His point is you aren't just naturally skinny, you're skinny because you aren't really doing shit.

 

[J Tourettes]

Try your hair.

I wonder why Henry got banned.



I agree with some of that, but not of all it. The poster in question is doing some bodyweight stuff at home; he's not squatting 300 for sets of 5. As a result, there's not as much of a need for all those calories since his routine doesn't require that much in terms of recovery.

I assume it was turning that gender debate (on boys doing worse at school) into a race debate.

Edit: This thread.

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Is 45 degree leg press considered a compound exercise?

Is it redundant to do it on same day as squats?

 

[snoopen]

Is 45 degree leg press considered a compound exercise?

Nope

Is it redundant to do it on same day as squats?

Yes. It sucks. Many articles link it to back injuries and recommend against it.

Why aren't you working your legs enough out of squats?

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Nope


Yes. It sucks. Many articles link it to back injuries and recommend against it.

Why aren't you working your legs enough out of squats?

Just trying to determine the veracity of a statement made to me by somebody at my gym, that this particular exercise works hamstrings and glutes more than squats.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Just trying to determine the veracity of a statement made to me by somebody at my gym, that this particular exercise works hamstrings and glutes more than squats.

Thanks for your reply.

Want your glutes and hamstrings worked during squats? Go deep. Also, after your main set, do an additional 5 sets of 10 reps at 40-60% of your "training max."

That shit will leave no part of your leg untouched.

I suggest looking into Jim Wendler's 5/3/1. Squats with the big but boring template will give you all the leg work you're looking for. Bonus points for doing Deadlift the same way.

 

[kylej]

I tried using different form on rows today. I don't know why. I didn't snap anything up, it just burned me out cause I wasn't used to it and it was totally unnecessary. I'm retarded.

What a shitty day at the gym lol

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Gonna admit that I recently tried on the new NB minimus we got in at work, and when I ran down the isle, I was already running on my forefoot. I was thinking about getting them, and with my discount, I'd only have to pay $75. Only problem I'm worried about is that supinate, and in the past, the wrong shoes have caused a pain on the side of my left foot. I do wear the NB 993s, and that corrected the problem right away. I just don't like wearing those in the gym, and if I decide to start running again, I want to wear the NB minimus, and for the gym, too. The new red ones are sweet looking.

 

[Meteorain]

Well I've recently decided to man up and finally just have a go at the Power Clean. One problem; for the life of me I suck at performing it.

1) The motion of getting it from the shrug onto the shoulder is just eluding me. Do you squat underneath it and push it up onto your shoulder?

2) I find I cannot quite push out my elbows and leave it resting on my shoulders/chest. Without the bar my arm is flexible enough that the triceps can go parallel to the floor, but with it I just suck.

I'm practicing just using the basic Olympic barbell so far. Also I'm solo, so nobody to help spot my failings. Is there any material to help me better understand how to do the power clean?

 

[Psychotext]

Anyone tried these stimulants like Jack3d? I've been seriously overworked lately and figured it would be a good bet to be able to just drink some of that and at least have the energy to start my workout... only problem is, every time I've used it I've ended up crashing massively about half way through. That's not an exaggeration either, the last half hour last night I was having to stop after every exercise just to get the energy back to have a go at the next one.

When I don't use it (on particularly tired nights) I struggle to start, but once I'm into it, it's just fine right until, and past, the end. I know the answer is obviously not to bother with it... but I was just wondering if anyone else had a similar experience. Maybe another product (like Mesomorph) which might work better?

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

Want your glutes and hamstrings worked during squats? Go deep. Also, after your main set, do an additional 5 sets of 10 reps at 40-60% of your "training max."

That shit will leave no part of your leg untouched.

I suggest looking into Jim Wendler's 5/3/1. Squats with the big but boring template will give you all the leg work you're looking for. Bonus points for doing Deadlift the same way.

Thanks man, I'll look into it. I always try to go deep. I'm relatively new to squatting since, as a former cyclist I would put in 200mi + a week on the bike, which left me little time for recovery.

 

[rando14]

Well I've recently decided to man up and finally just have a go at the Power Clean. One problem; for the life of me I suck at performing it.

1) The motion of getting it from the shrug onto the shoulder is just eluding me. Do you squat underneath it and push it up onto your shoulder?

2) I find I cannot quite push out my elbows and leave it resting on my shoulders/chest. Without the bar my arm is flexible enough that the triceps can go parallel to the floor, but with it I just suck.

I'm practicing just using the basic Olympic barbell so far. Also I'm solo, so nobody to help spot my failings. Is there any material to help me better understand how to do the power clean?

I often hesitate to recommend Olympic lifts to beginners. They can be really tough to get the form down, and honestly most people don't know the proper form well enough to teach it.

That being said, they can be very beneficial power moves. Check this out: http://stronglifts.com/the-ultimate-beginners-guide-to-power-cleans/

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Luckily for me, when I decided to do power cleans for a couple of months, a guy at my gym who does those strong men outdoors games taught me how to do cleans and dumbell snatches, etc..

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Great article on Soy, you ALL need to read this.

Soy the Protein killer.

 

[Bearded Dudebro]

They also say you'll lose 5-10 lbs of that weight when you go off GOMAD just cause of the water weight.

I have a question, brosephs. I've been drinking a gallon of milk a day to help me with my weight gain and strength increases for the past 2 months, and I think I may be gaining too much weight. I started at around 180 and i'm now around 205. I actually like drinking a gallon a day, since I don't have to worry about making so many meals, but the fact I've gained so much fat is kind of bothersome. I don't fit into my old pants and shirts anymore and had to go out and buy larger ones :/ Should I drop the gallon a day?

 

[Etrian Oddity]

A week into keto and swimming, the scale says I weigh the exact same.

wat

 

[FallingEdge]

Luckily for me, when I decided to do power cleans for a couple of months, a guy at my gym who does those strong men outdoors games taught me how to do cleans and dumbell snatches, etc..

How's the shoulder?

 

[Mr.City]

Well I've recently decided to man up and finally just have a go at the Power Clean. One problem; for the life of me I suck at performing it.

1) The motion of getting it from the shrug onto the shoulder is just eluding me. Do you squat underneath it and push it up onto your shoulder?

2) I find I cannot quite push out my elbows and leave it resting on my shoulders/chest. Without the bar my arm is flexible enough that the triceps can go parallel to the floor, but with it I just suck.

I'm practicing just using the basic Olympic barbell so far. Also I'm solo, so nobody to help spot my failings. Is there any material to help me better understand how to do the power clean?

Mark Rippetoe wrote a lot about the power clean in Starting Strength The 3rd edition.

A week into keto and swimming, the scale says I weigh the exact same.

wat

And what did you think was going to happen?

I have a question, brosephs. I've been drinking a gallon of milk a day to help me with my weight gain and strength increases for the past 2 months, and I think I may be gaining too much weight. I started at around 180 and i'm now around 205. I actually like drinking a gallon a day, since I don't have to worry about making so many meals, but the fact I've gained so much fat is kind of bothersome. I don't fit into my old pants and shirts anymore and had to go out and buy larger ones :/ Should I drop the gallon a day?

Not this again. GoMad (gallon of milk a day) is meant for skinny guy "who can't gain weight even they eat 4000 calories day." If the bodyweight and the lifts are up, then the milk has done its job.

 

[Silphonica]

I'm in an extremely good mood.

Last post I mentioned that I found the bench bar heavy and failed to do more than one set with two little 2.5kg weights on it. Yesterday was my third day trying the bench and I can now hit out 5 sets of 28kgs total. Once I heal I'm very confident I can surpass 30kgs in the next chest session or the one after.

As a skinny guy I have a shitty appetite, but i've noticed I'm eating more and getting hungrier the more I go to the gym. So I should start a proper weight gain diet.

I've more than likely missed previous recommendations, but can someone post or refer me to a page (in this thread) with a sample diet just to point me in the right direction?

 

[Poindexter]

A week into keto and swimming, the scale says I weigh the exact same.

wat

Stop going by the scale. A scale does nothing but mess with your mind. Look for body composition changes in the mirror and wait longer than a week to determine if it's working

 

[Etrian Oddity]

And what did you think was going to happen?

I've lost up to 6lbs in a week in prior regimens, albeit water weight. I'm just surprised. Perhaps it means I'm just in better shape this time around and have less of an "easy" loss right off the bat?

 

[Poindexter]

If your goal is to lose weight, the first thing you must change is diet since diet is far more important in losing weight than exercise

The first step you must take is stop drinking your calories. Only drink Water, Tea, or Coffee. After that, eliminate or drastically reduce all sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and hydrogenated oils from your diet.

If you are serious about weight loss, you can go another step and stop eating grains. Yes, grains are bad, and carbs are bad (if you want to lose weight). By far the quickest way to lose weight is to purposely go into ketosis. That is where you limit your carb intake to about 30-50 grams a day. Now, those grams dont mean bread, they mean veggies and what not. When you lose all the weight you want, you can bump up your carb intake to about 150 grams a day np.

If you dont want to do ketosis, thats fine, youll still lose weight, just make sure you are eating mostly meat and veggies. Fruit and Dariy is fine in moderation. A grain wont kill you, but its not good for you. And sugar is just bad.

The beauty of this diet is that you dont calorie count. You eat until you are full and you will lose weight. basically, you want to eat a lot of meat and veggies.

As for exercise, weight training is much better than cardio if you want to lose weight. For cardio, just do a somewhat fast walk and occasionally do an all out sprint (should work well when you are walking the dog)

He says he has a heavy bag. A heavy bag is a fantastic way to lose weight. I would make room for that in your routine instead of walking/sprinting.

 

[blackflag]

A week into keto and swimming, the scale says I weigh the exact same.

wat

Well if you are doing it right, it will work. You still need to eat at a deficit though. I've dropped 73 pounds since mid September on Keto and have gained much muscle and strength. It is a great diet for maintaining muscle while cutting.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Stop going by the scale. A scale does nothing but mess with your mind. Look for body composition changes in the mirror and wait longer than a week to determine if it's working

This. Also it takes time for your body to adjust to a new diet, for me it's around 2 weeks before I start to notice it and see results. You will more than likely see a significant drop in weight over the next week or so due to the loss in water weight, then things will level out.

If you're doing keto, get some keto sticks at a drug store to test for ketosis. If you haven't hit the sluggish phase yet you may wanna check. Normally switching onto keto you feel downright miserable for a few days before you body switches over to ketosis. Then energy returns.

But yeah, just give it another week or so. Keto works.

 

[demon]

Maybe dumb question, but how much do squats work the calves? I can't say I notice much if any of a workout in my calves when squatting. The only thing that seems to work them is calf raises, and I don't want to do isolation exercises now. But still, they remain skinny...

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Maybe dumb question, but how much do squats work the calves? I can't say I notice much if any of a workout in my calves when squatting. The only thing that seems to work them is calf raises, and I don't want to do isolation exercises now. But still, they remain skinny...

Between running, squatting and deadlifting my calves get a ton of work and I have pretty awesome calves, not bragging, just stating that I don't think calf raises are a necessity unless maybe you're a body builder or something.

 

[Mr.City]

I've lost up to 6lbs in a week in prior regimens, albeit water weight. I'm just surprised. Perhaps it means I'm just in better shape this time around and have less of an "easy" loss right off the bat?

That's not quite how it works. It depends on when you weight yourself (I'm usually 5 lbs heavier at night thanks to water/ food/ etc) and how large your deficit is.

As for the keto sticks, I would save your money. In fact, I would worry about keto too much.

http://forums.lylemcdonald.com//showpost.php?p=147690&postcount=5

 

[Etrian Oddity]

This. Also it takes time for your body to adjust to a new diet, for me it's around 2 weeks before I start to notice it and see results. You will more than likely see a significant drop in weight over the next week or so due to the loss in water weight, then things will level out.

If you're doing keto, get some keto sticks at a drug store to test for ketosis. If you haven't hit the sluggish phase yet you may wanna check. Normally switching onto keto you feel downright miserable for a few days before you body switches over to ketosis. Then energy returns.

But yeah, just give it another week or so. Keto works.

I believe I've already entered it because I did go through that "oh my god I'm so weak" phase, and now I feel pretty much normal and have a curbed appetite.

Anyways, thanks for the encouragement guys, I'm just not used to seeing my weight remain the same. But then again I did used to be really fat so I had a ton of water weight to lose.

Do you guys think that a 50g-80g carb/day spread is more beneficial in the long run than just straight <50g?

 

[Mr.City]

Which ever carb spread helps you stick to the diet.

 

[Polk]

A week into keto and swimming, the scale says I weigh the exact same.

wat

It can take up to 4 weeks to see the difference, so stop weighting yourself often.

 

[Petrie]

Which ever carb spread helps you stick to the diet.

This. The best diet is the one you can stick with long term. Just like the best cardio is the one you enjoy and can stick with. HiiT is great, but I find I'm way more motivated to do my cardio via some Dance Dance Revolution. It isn't quite as effective, but because I enjoy it, I am much less likely to blow it off. That makes it far superior to the alternatives.

 

[params7]

Oh, and by far my biggest change in diet was drastically cutting down grain intake. I really didnt eat that many sugary foods to begin with, and havent drank anything besides water or tea in a long long time. So yea, getting rid of grain, HUGE difference. Eating more meat and veggies is just so much more filling since you are using fat as the energy source and not glucose.

Is there a website for simple recipes for good veggies and meat. Would be very useful for a college student like me who really doesn't like to cook :/

 

[Mr.City]

A million college students with greasy paws reach out for the deliverance of Hot Pockets.

I think there should a link in the next OP to sites for cooking because the "I'm a poor college student who doesn't know how to cook" is a common question that comes up.

Dickhead answer: Google

Non-dickhead answer: http://www.cooking.com/

 

[Deleted member 12837]

This. The best diet is the one you can stick with long term. Just like the best cardio is the one you enjoy and can stick with. HiiT is great, but I find I'm way more motivated to do my cardio via some Dance Dance Revolution. It isn't quite as effective, but because I enjoy it, I am much less likely to blow it off. That makes it far superior to the alternatives.

Another DDR player! I played a lot in high school and it really helped my agility and defense in basketball. It was also great cardio. My friends and I would play for hours and switch back and forth after sets of 3 songs, so it was more like HIIT.

I'm a snob though and won't play at home because even the most expensive pads just aren't that good. I definitely want to buy a machine at some point. Unfortunately, I left for college and stayed after graduation and now the closest arcade to me that has DDR is 30 min away.

Aaaand that's probably enough nerdiness for this thread.

 

[Psychotext]

I'm a snob though and won't play at home because even the most expensive pads just aren't that good. I definitely want to buy a machine at some point. Unfortunately, I left for college and stayed after graduation and now the closest arcade to me that has DDR is 30 min away.

The very, very best metal pads were as good as the arcade... because they were basically what the arcade cabinets used anyway.

I can also vouch for DDR for quality cardio. I used it for years and was in great shape at the time.

 

[Spiritreaver]

That's not quite how it works. It depends on when you weight yourself (I'm usually 5 lbs heavier at night thanks to water/ food/ etc) and how large your deficit is.

As for the keto sticks, I would save your money. In fact, I would worry about keto too much.

http://forums.lylemcdonald.com//showpost.php?p=147690&postcount=5

Eh, it should be noted he never says it won't show up on strips, just that you can be in ketosis and it can not show up. I use sticks as a rough guide and peace of mind when I start incorporating refeeds. When I am doing keto and have a refeed, sticks read nothing, when I'm back to eating no carbs for a few days, it turns purple. It's not that they don't work it's that they aren't always accurate.

As far as carb spread goes, it really doesn't matter. You will lose weight regardless as long as your deficit is fine. Sticking with the diet is more important than what kinda diet you use.

I was going to think up a more long winded explanation, but it's keto. KISS. You can look up all you want about the science of carbs, customized keto/low carb diets, but you're making a simple diet not simple. Keep under 50g (I usually go under 20), lift as best you can, do light cardio. You'll get results, you'll stall like any other diet, and you can fix it like any other diet.

This.  The best diet is the one you can stick with long term.  Just like the best cardio is the one you enjoy and can stick with.  HiiT is great, but I find I'm way more motivated to do my cardio via some Dance Dance Revolution.  It isn't quite as effective, but because I enjoy it, I am much less likely to blow it off.  That makes it far superior to the alternatives.

I remember when I was heavy I used to do DDR for cardio. Then I quickly realized how much I sucked at it. My shit is cycling now. I don't even own a car, love it.