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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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Built my scaffold squat cage at the weekend, not bad for £126, even if I do say so myself.

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X-Frame said:
Here is a good video of Dave Tate talking about pull throughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgXkHRVaoUc
Thanks man, I will check that out and try adding it to my workout.

For tuna aficionados, there's an article on tuna salad in the new Cook's Country magazine. I got it in the mail since I subscribe to Cook's Illustrated. I like their work because they approach cooking like a (grade school level) science experiment, trying a bunch of different things and writing down what worked best and a hypothesis on why. They get a bit complicated, even for recipes that are usually simple (like tuna salad), so I usually just read and hope that the ideas find their way into my cooking. I have rarely actually tried to replicate a recipe, but the ones I've had were amazing.

Looks like the full recipe is subscriber only online: http://www.cookscountry.com/recipes/detail/25721

But the basics are: use solid white (fancy) tuna, pat it dry, mash it up, season some olive oil and let it soak into the tuna for 10 minutes, and then finish it in the usual way.
 

Yami

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Hit my target of squatting more than my body weight today. Hit 80KG for 8 reps. Feels good man.

Went to the gym with my much bigger brother, and him screaming at me and just being there fueled my motivation and I pumped out some good reps. Hit 120KG on the Leg Press, 75KG Leg Extensions with a triple drop set to failure, then blasted 10 mins of HIIT on the stationary bike.

I can just about walk right now.
 
I don't get how people can read and shit on cardio machines. I was doing my hiit on a bike with some guy reading a book on the one next to me. The thing that bothered me was that he kept looking at my screen. Motherfucker you're reading a book and not breaking a sweat don't be looking at my shit.

I try to keep my HR at like 185-190 (I seem to max out at 190) for at least the last 8 minutes of my session.
 

Carbonox

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Depressing doing 3 sets of 8 Bench Press at 80kg, knowing you were able to do around 90 or so a couple of months back and then went through a lazy no-gym streak. :(

I've asked before but I'll ask again, my diet is high in calories but ideally I'd like some opinions on if it's OK. I try to eat these every day in the same order with some additional stuff thrown in if I feel like it. Most days though, this is the core of my daily diet:

Tuna pasta (with veg) - 900+ kcal
Hungarian sausage with 3 slices of white bread - 600+ kcal
Chicken & bacon pasta - 1100+ kcal
Greek honey yoghurt - (dependent on what is available) 550+ kcal/700 kcal

Thoughts? I'm bulking so figured I'm on a good road.
 

Yami

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cuevas said:
I don't get how people can read and shit on cardio machines. I was doing my hiit on a bike with some guy reading a book on the one next to me. The thing that bothered me was that he kept looking at my screen. Motherfucker you're reading a book and not breaking a sweat don't be looking at my shit.

I try to keep my HR at like 185-190 (I seem to max out at 190) for at least the last 8 minutes of my session.

I like to have music at the least, and sometimes have a bmx vid for motivation, but books? Seriously?

Might try Of Mice and Men next time I'm doing HIIT. Could do with some Steinbeck during the rest periods...

Constant 160 bpm for me throughout, and always max it out for the last 3 mins on standard high intensity cardio. HIIT though, I go until I can't feel my legs. Feels so fucking good after.
 
cuevas said:
I don't get how people can read and shit on cardio machines. I was doing my hiit on a bike with some guy reading a book on the one next to me. The thing that bothered me was that he kept looking at my screen. Motherfucker you're reading a book and not breaking a sweat don't be looking at my shit.

I try to keep my HR at like 185-190 (I seem to max out at 190) for at least the last 8 minutes of my session.
Haha, ya, when there's a long wait for the cardio machines, that irritates me more than squat rack hogs. I need the elliptical to get a regular HIIT session, since my body can't handle sprinting on solid ground regularly. They'd get a better workout just walking on the ground, since the elliptical's momentum is doing a lot of the work for them.

One dude always kicks people off the machine as soon as it's his turn, but then goes long and makes the next person tell him to get off. He leisurely strolls the entire time while reading. Literally, he walks on the ground faster than he's walking on the elliptical. It's like he thinks being on a machine magically makes it exercise.
 
I had a one-on-one session with KStarr yesterday at SF Crossfit. He fixed my squat (which I haven't been able to do without significant knee pain for weeks) and spent twenty minutes working my shoulder/hip internal rotation range of motion, of which I had nearly zero.

I highly recommend seeing him if you're ever in the area, even if you think you don't need it. It was $125 for an hour.
 

Tater Tot

"My God... it's full of Starch!"
I always get a weird sensation, that after doing steady state cardio, my arms feel smaller. IS it just me? I mean the day after they feel alot smaller and not as hard when I flex, it is mostly in the bicep area. Is it just me or am I being paranoid?
 

X-Frame

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Price Dalton said:
I had a one-on-one session with KStarr yesterday at SF Crossfit. He fixed my squat (which I haven't been able to do without significant knee pain for weeks) and spent twenty minutes working my shoulder/hip internal rotation range of motion, of which I had nearly zero.

I highly recommend seeing him if you're ever in the area, even if you think you don't need it. It was $125 for an hour.
That sounds awesome, and worth every penny for an individual one-on-one assessment and advice. I wish I was close to someone like that. I work in NYC but it seems all the coaches, trainers and therapists I follow on T-Nation, blogs, videos, etc are elsewhere.

The closest to me is Cressey Performance but that's in Boston and a 5 hour car ride. I would love an assessment though, even if it's like bi-yearly check-ups with one of those guys.

$125 is a far cry of what would happen if you ended up getting hurt like I did because of poor lifting habits in college and now have back problems and spent 10x on medical costs.

Of course injury prevention isn't the only reason, but a lot of people I think should assess their movements, posture, and imbalances before they turn into problems. Why I like Kelly's channel a lot.

I just wish KStar organized his videos better in sections or something!
 

Petrie

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Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Depressing doing 3 sets of 8 Bench Press at 80kg, knowing you were able to do around 90 or so a couple of months back and then went through a lazy no-gym streak. :(

I've asked before but I'll ask again, my diet is high in calories but ideally I'd like some opinions on if it's OK. I try to eat these every day in the same order with some additional stuff thrown in if I feel like it. Most days though, this is the core of my daily diet:

Tuna pasta (with veg) - 900+ kcal
Hungarian sausage with 3 slices of white bread - 600+ kcal
Chicken & bacon pasta - 1100+ kcal
Greek honey yoghurt - (dependent on what is available) 550+ kcal/700 kcal

Thoughts? I'm bulking so figured I'm on a good road.

Seems way too carb heavy, especially all the pasta and white bread. My goodness.
 

Decado

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Any point going on a "bulk" for two weeks? I'm currently experiencing tension headaches so it looks like I'll have to take a couple weeks off to recover ("taking it easy" just seems to be prolonging the problem) *then* I'll be going to Europe for two weeks (during which I probably won't be doing weights).

What do you suggest I do during the two-week period in between the breaks to prep myself for when I return from my holiday? The last month or so has been such a flop :\
 
Decado said:
Any point going on a "bulk" for two weeks? I'm currently experiencing tension headaches so it looks like I'll have to take a couple weeks off to recover ("taking it easy" just seems to be prolonging the problem) *then* I'll be going to Europe for two weeks (during which I probably won't be doing weights).

What do you suggest I do during the two-week period in between the breaks to prep myself for when I return from my holiday? The last month or so has been such a flop :\

The whole point of "bulking" is really to help facilitate muscle growth. Really not much you can do in two weeks.

Now if you just want to say fuck it and spend two weeks eating whatever the hell you want. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Go for it.
 

Veezy

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Decado said:
Any point going on a "bulk" for two weeks? I'm currently experiencing tension headaches so it looks like I'll have to take a couple weeks off to recover ("taking it easy" just seems to be prolonging the problem) *then* I'll be going to Europe for two weeks (during which I probably won't be doing weights).

What do you suggest I do during the two-week period in between the breaks to prep myself for when I return from my holiday? The last month or so has been such a flop :\
As stated, I'm not sure there's such think as a two week bulking session.

I'd reccomend you do some mobility work and body weight exercises. Maybe some sprints, things you can do on your own anywhere you are.
 
Reading Zyzz's diet:

Sample Daily Diet:

•Meal 1 – 6 boiled Eggs, 2 cups of Oatmeal and a Protein Shake
•Meal 2 – 300g Chicken Breast (boiled) Broccoli and Brown Rice
•Meal 3 – 200g Tuna chunks in spring water, mixed with Spinach Leaves, and Wholemeal Pasta
Have your workout. Immediately post workout, consume your Whey Protein

•Meal 4 – Stir fry Beef/Kangaroo Mince with some vegetables
•Meal 5 – Steak or Kangaroo and Brussels Sprouts
•Meal 6 – 4 scrambled Eggs and some Salmon
•Meal 7 – One cup of no fat Cottage Cheese 10m before bed

I don't get this: He ate 300g of protein from the chicken and 200g of protein from tuna chunks?
 

ezrarh

Member
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Reading Zyzz's diet:



I don't get this: He ate 300g of protein from the chicken and 200g of protein from tuna chunks?

He meant just 300g worth of chicken and likewise for the tuna.
 

Veezy

que?
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Ah. 22 years old, too and had a cardiac arrest. Supposedly his friends were telling him a few before he died to "take it easy". Whatever that means.
Even if he was juicing, which he body would suggest he was but he says he wasn't (I'll withold judgement), that wouldn't cause cardiac arrest. Hell, that diet is super clean. The man looked quite fit.

However, attractive guy that likes to party, I'm pretty confident we can think of a list of recreational substances that can cause your heart to go a bit too fast.
 
Veezy said:
Even if he was juicing, which he body would suggest he was but he says he wasn't (I'll withold judgement), that wouldn't cause cardiac arrest. Hell, that diet is super clean. The man looked quite fit.

However, attractive guy that likes to party, I'm pretty confident we can think of a list of recreational substances that can cause your heart to go a bit too fast.

Valtrex mixed with redbull?
 

f0nz0

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BumRush said:
GAF,

I've been taking pre-workout drinks with creatine and wanted to switch to one without (history of kidney failure in my family and my doctor said i should stop). Any recommendations for good pre-workouts that don't contain creatine?

Thanks!!
White flood
 

twofold

Member
Veezy said:
Even if he was juicing, which he body would suggest he was but he says he wasn't (I'll withold judgement), that wouldn't cause cardiac arrest. Hell, that diet is super clean. The man looked quite fit.

However, attractive guy that likes to party, I'm pretty confident we can think of a list of recreational substances that can cause your heart to go a bit too fast.

There's a lot of crazy drugs you can buy in Thailand, and the Red Bull is scarily potent too. I'd wake up with heart palpitations after a night of drinking Sangsom (Thai Whisky/Rum) with Red Bull. Scary shit.
 

Carbonox

Member
Petrie said:
Seems way too carb heavy, especially all the pasta and white bread. My goodness.

Can you elaborate some more? What should be removed/added? Despite the protein/calorie goodness, what is the ideal carb rate? In the chicken & bacon pasta alone there's over 100g of carbs. What's the best ratio?
 

The Lamp

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Got my new bloodwork results back.
Less than 2 weeks ago my ALT was at 196 (normal level below 50) and my AST was 56 (normal level below 40 I think)

Now my ALT is at 123 and my AST is at 53, so it declined quite a bit just stopping the diet. I think I'll be back to normal soon. I had had some tylenol over the weekend anyway due to a minor operation and having a cold.

Lost more weight again, too. Down to 168.

All in all the GOMAD diet was interesting. I guess it was worth it because of the strength gains and getting some fat where I was previously bone and skin.

I don't think I'll be doing it again though. But I'm going to be eating a lot while I work-out so I keep results (which I'll start again in about a week).
 

Lamel

Banned
The Lamp said:
Got my new bloodwork results back.
Less than 2 weeks ago my ALT was at 196 (normal level below 50) and my AST was 56 (normal level below 40 I think)

Now my ALT is at 123 and my AST is at 53, so it declined quite a bit just stopping the diet. I think I'll be back to normal soon. I had had some tylenol over the weekend anyway due to a minor operation and having a cold.

Lost more weight again, too. Down to 168.

All in all the GOMAD diet was interesting. I guess it was worth it because of the strength gains and getting some fat where I was previously bone and skin.

I don't think I'll be doing it again though. But I'm going to be eating a lot while I work-out so I keep results (which I'll start again in about a week).

Damn you're losing weight fast like that...make sure it's mostly fat too, keep eating protein and stimulating your muscles. Otherwise you'll lose the muscle and be near square one (this is for the long term, of course it won't happen instantly). And good on you for stopping Gomad.
 

The Lamp

Member
Saadster said:
Damn you're losing weight fast like that...make sure it's mostly fat too, keep eating protein and stimulating your muscles. Otherwise you'll lose the muscle and be near square one.

I'd love to but I couldn't work out the past two weeks because my doctor wanted me to be off of protein and fat for at least a week for the bloodwork, and I'm going to be a counselor at a week-long camp this Thursday, so I can only do it when I get back :p

I'm anxious to work out again, though. Hopefully I didn't backslide in strength two much in two weeks.
 
The Lamp said:
I'd love to but I couldn't work out the past two weeks because my doctor wanted me to be off of protein and fat for at least a week for the bloodwork, and I'm going to be a counselor at a week-long camp this Thursday, so I can only do it when I get back :p

I'm anxious to work out again, though. Hopefully I didn't backslide in strength two much in two weeks.
So you gained like 20 lbs really fast and are now losing weight while not working out but hoping its not muscle? Tbh you probably lost all the muscle you gained.
 

The Lamp

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cuevas said:
So you gained like 20 lbs really fast and are now losing weight while not working out but hoping its not muscle? Tbh you probably lost all the muscle you gained.

I mean I must have gained some muscle if I was able to double my squatting weight and increase all my other weights like I did in just a month. I doubt I'm back at square one after not being able to work out for two weeks.

If people lost strength that easily in just two weeks I guess no one would ever go on vacation :l

And I gained 25 lbs. in about 4 weeks but have retained 18.

I haven't been able to eat as much as I should the past couple of weeks though, especially since I've been driving all over the state and moving into a new place, taking finals, doctor appointments like crazy. It's been a crazy past week or two.
 

K701

Banned
ZYZZ IS DEEEEEAD :(

Why was I late to find out? WHY? WHY WAS I READING HELLO KITTY MUST DIE INSTEAD OF BROWSING 4CHAAAAANNNN?!?
 

LJ11

Member
Bulknutrion.com has a sale on Gaspari Supplements, 5lb Myofusion for 30 bucks shipped when you use bulkisback @ checkout.

Site had a bad rep, but I went ahead and ordered over the weekend, got my stuff today. Seems like the site was sold so it's under new management.

Myofusion tastes great (chocolate or banana), can't go wrong for 30 bucks.
 

Munin

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So my squats and deadlifts have been really lagging behind in my beginner progress because of some severe back issue that gives me so much pain during the workouts that I don't push myself or stop them early. Basically I get a stinging pain above my tailbone in the lower spine area when I do these lifts and return to the standing position. With deadlifts the pain specifically comes in when I push my hips forward during the return movement.

It's so bad at times that yesterday, I could barely stand a few minutes after the workout.

Does anyone know what this could be..? My technique has been checked by a PT and it's OK...hope I don't have to give up on these...
 

Heppell

Banned
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Ah. 22 years old, too and had a cardiac arrest. Supposedly his friends were telling him a few before he died to "take it easy". Whatever that means.

Apparently he took heaps of illicit drugs, ecstasy etc.

Yes he has admitted using steroids.

So yeh that could taken a toll on him, lethal combination.

I dont really buy that heart condition causing his death, he may of had it, but he put heaps of shit down hes throat...
 

MjFrancis

Member
It's odd to think that I've been intermittently fasting 5-6 days a week all year now. That's pretty consistent. After days where I've broke 4,000 calories I may not even be hungry after the sixteen hour fasting time has been broken. But, since I like to eat two hours before I train and don't want to find out how long I can go until muscle catabolism kicks in, I eat anyways.

Today has been one of those days where I've been sweating and working hard, and looking up at the clock. Breaking the fast 1 1/2 hours early isn't going to kill me. It's a regimen of convenience after all, so like zen master whatshisface said, when hungry, eat. When tired, sleep. Shit's not complicated if you don't want it to be.

Now, if I were trying to muster up the will to diet down to 6% bodyfat, I just might have to conjure up the patience of said zen master...
 
twofold said:
There's a lot of crazy drugs you can buy in Thailand, and the Red Bull is scarily potent too. I'd wake up with heart palpitations after a night of drinking Sangsom (Thai Whisky/Rum) with Red Bull. Scary shit.

You should really try not to mix stimulants with depressants.
 

abuC

Member
Great success, did 120lbs per hand on incline bench for the first time since starting Layne Nortons program. I'm on my 3rd week and I'm starting to see increases now, was able to do it 7 times.
 

Tater Tot

"My God... it's full of Starch!"
abuC said:
Great success, did 120lbs per hand on incline bench for the first time since starting Layne Nortons program. I'm on my 3rd week and I'm starting to see increases now, was able to do it 7 times.

Nice, I am about to start the PHAT program as well. Eating about 3,100 calories a day.

Base stats.

Bench - 185 6x
Squat - 225 6x
Deadlift 315 2x

Pretty low numbers hopefully I will be able get to 225 on bench and 250 on squat.
 
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