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[Draft]

Xfit can turn someone into a walking six pack but so can P90x and that only costs $100 once instead of $120 a month.

3 Rounds for Time of, 1 Deadlift 455lbs, 2 Muscle-Ups, 3 Squat Cleans 250lbs, 4 Handstand Pushups

It's like something a child would program after eating a bag of sugar. What is the point of doing all of that, and for time? Work up to a max deadlift and then go run hills.

There is no right way to do deadlifts for time.

 

[Petrie]

Xfit can turn someone into a walking six pack but so can P90x and that only costs $100 once instead of $120 a month.

It's like something a child would program after eating a bag of sugar. What is the point of doing all of that, and for time? Work up to a max deadlift and then go run hills.

There is no right way to do deadlifts for time.

Also, shit like this. These are not movements you should be doing for time.

I watched the last XF games for a bit: it had people who were destroying shoulders doing pullups with some of the worst form I've ever seen. Turned that crap off.

 

[I'm an expert]

Omg these are great.. I take it all back.. Americans should not be doing crossfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=NnnOWfj2TW4&v=20Oc655_-0I

The squatter at 40 secs in, I actually burst out laughing.

 

[CrankyJay]

Omg these are great.. I take it all back.. Americans should not be doing crossfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=NnnOWfj2TW4&v=20Oc655_-0I

The squatter at 40 secs in, I actually burst out laughing.

Holy shit.

 

[grumble]

Yesterday was my second time incorporating deadlifts into my routine. When I do them, should my hamstrings/lower back/traps be doing the bulk of the work? Because that's what it feels like when I do them.

My fear is that I am doing too much weight and trying to overpower it with my stronger muscles and not getting good lifts. Or does it even matter with compound lifts?

The dead lift works lots of muscle, but you'll feel it in you lower back, flutes, hamstrings, traps, forearms and midsection the most. Some quads too, provided you're setting up properly.

 

[Paddington Bear]

The problem Paddington is you're adding way to many "so long as" and "ifs". Yes, if you can find a great gym with a great instructor and they focus on form and not speed, etc, XF can be ok. But that's not what the majority of XF gyms are. And most beginners aren't going to have the knowledge base to know the difference.

To me that makes it a program far too advanced for beginners. You have to have enough knowledge to even find a good location and all that. A beginner is simply going to trust what the gym and instructor tells them, right or wrong.

Granted people are retards and i can tell you that CrossFit isn't for everyone. But neither is heavy lifting without proper form. I haven't paid a dime for CrossFit and i don't advocate anyone does, but i do advocate good form regardless of what regimen you are on.
I hope you realize that i didn't say "as long as" one time haha. That isn't to say i didn't mean it... because it is true; "as long as" you aren't retarded, CrossFit is fine.



Edit: Wow, guess i didn't realize how poorly CrossFit was viewed. My bad, forget i brought it up haha

 

[bro1]

Omg these are great.. I take it all back.. Americans should not be doing crossfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=NnnOWfj2TW4&v=20Oc655_-0I

The squatter at 40 secs in, I actually burst out laughing.

yeah, it's pretty bad. I've been that guy in the squats though, thinking I was doing a good job.

 

[Eidan]

Omg these are great.. I take it all back.. Americans should not be doing crossfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=NnnOWfj2TW4&v=20Oc655_-0I

The squatter at 40 secs in, I actually burst out laughing.

I just don't understand CrossFit. So many things they do seem to range from pointless to outright dangerous.

 

[CrankyJay]

Not gonna lie...some of the girls in this video are damn fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cKFFbSdy4

 

[bro1]

I just don't understand CrossFit. So many things they do seem to range from pointless to outright dangerous.

IF you think Crossfit is bad now, it's going to get a lot worse. The owners of the company are divorcing and the wife is selling her half to a PE firm that plans to market the shit out of the company. They want to bring it to the masses. Chiropractors and ortho's are about to make bank.

 

[ohhthegore]

 

[bro1]

Not gonna lie...some of the girls in this video are damn fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cKFFbSdy4

It does have a ton of hot chicks!

 

[agrajag]

Omg these are great.. I take it all back.. Americans should not be doing crossfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=NnnOWfj2TW4&v=20Oc655_-0I

The squatter at 40 secs in, I actually burst out laughing.

he looks like he's doing a weird combination of squat + good mornings

 

[ToxicAdam]

I don't think that guy in the red shirt was being serious. Especially after seeing his 'push ups'.

 

[twofold]

Not gonna lie...some of the girls in this video are damn fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cKFFbSdy4

If I remember correctly, that WOD led to tons of people rupturing their achilles tendon due to the combination of high rep deadlifts and box jumps. Not good.

 

[CrankyJay]

If I remember correctly, that WOD led to tons of people rupturing their achilles tendon due to the combination of high rep deadlifts and box jumps. Not good.

No shit? Got an article on that? A co-worker of mine is thinking of doing CrossFit.

 

[FallingEdge]

I can certainly attest to the fact that living with a mom/girlfriend/etc makes it ridiculously hard to eat right.

Although it's definitely easier to bulk up. Eating 3000 learn calories a day is expensive as hell

Agreed. I come home now and my girl has a grip of food ready to eat. I just can't stop myself lol.

And after doing more and more research, I think I'm finally going to do cleans. I will implement them in my 5/3/1 workout starting next week. Prolly do them before deadlifts as advocated by Wendler.

 

[twofold]

No shit? Got an article on that? A co-worker of mine is thinking of doing CrossFit.

Ahh, I did some digging and I was wrong. Still, the wod that led to injuries was made up of high rep deadlifts and box jumps.

WEDNESDAY 110330

CrossFit Games Open 11.2

Complete as many rounds and reps as possible in 15 minutes of:
155 pound Deadlift, 9 reps
12 Push-ups
15 Box jumps, 24" box

Apparently 20-25 people got fucked over by that wod.

http://www.catalystathletics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6157

 

[Price Dalton]

I don't think that guy in the red shirt was being serious. Especially after seeing his 'push ups'.

Yep. His stuff was from a parody video.

 

[kylej]

 

[SeanR1221]

I'm really glad to hear you're eating more and that it seems to be working. Let us know how it goes!

Thanks man. I'll be very happy if I'm 183 tomorrow. I gotta say, it's enjoyable to be eating more and to be eating some low GI carbs again.

 

[IceCold]

Why are they going they doing pullups like that?

 

[Bit-Bit]

Those poor shoulders....

 

[blackflag]

I just don't understand CrossFit. So many things they do seem to range from pointless to outright dangerous.

Yep much of it is pointless and dangerous. That's why it justifiably gets a bad rap.

 

[Petrie]

Yep much of it is pointless and dangerous. That's why it justifiably gets a bad rap.

That's basically what the entire XF games looked like. Not to that silly degree, but everything was just horrendous form for speeds sake.

 

[blackflag]

That's basically what the entire XF games looked like. Not to that silly degree, but everything was just horrendous form for speeds sake.

Yeah and the plus to this is that the people competing in the crossfit games overwhelmingly do not do crossfit except during the competition because they know how bad it is. Most of them do standard strength training and cardio. So at least they don't train like this all the time.

 

[dankir]

I've been training at the same gym for 13 years now and I've never seen such horrid form before. I've seen youngins coming to the gym swinging the shit out of everything. This is beyond bad.

Wtf is this crossfit shit, it's just cheating over and over.


WHERE'S THE FORM PEOPLE??

 

[Petrie]

Yeah and the plus to this is that the people competing in the crossfit games overwhelmingly do not do crossfit except during the competition because they know how bad it is. Most of them do standard strength training and cardio. So at least they don't train like this all the time.

This I'd never heard.

Sucks that it misleads people into using the program, but such is marketting.

 

[kylej]

Crossfit combines lunges with upright rows for the Ultimate in Functional Fitness!!!!!

 

[parrotbeak]

It's a kipping row jumping jack.

 

[Carbonox]

Crossfit combines lunges with upright rows for the Ultimate in Functional Fitness!!!!!

The fuck am I watching here. Good lord.

 

[Petrie]

The fuck am I watching here. Good lord.

CROSSFIT MOTHERFUCKER!

 

[CrankyJay]

Getting kind of nauseous watching these animated gifs. LOL.

 

[entremet]

Why are they going they doing pullups like that?

Kipping pullups. They're a gymnastics staple, but you better be careful about the volume 'cause they can wreck your rotator cuff at high volume.

I just don't understand CrossFit. So many things they do seem to range from pointless to outright dangerous.

The big issue with Crossfit is the programming of highly techincal movements, like the O Lifts for time. That's ridiculous as the O Lifts were never designed to be done at the volumes the main crossfit site provides in their daily workouts. Moreover, when done for time you start developing terrible habits due to shitty reps.

Not all crossfit gyms follow the main site programming. But crossfit does have the whole tribal thing going for it, which can be great motivator. But you want to find a good gym.

 

[rando14]

*comes in*
*sees talk about CrossFit*

 

[derwalde]

doing deadlifts against the clock; no comment. this shit is ridiculous and dangerous as fuck imo.

 

[IceCold]

Dear lord...

http://youtu.be/7awHXVAGQYc


These anger me. Can't crossfit get shut down for this?

 

[CrankyJay]

Dad with baby is a straight up asshole.

 

[Anton Sugar]

To be fair, this is just a zercher squat gone horribly wrong.

 

[mrbagdt]

ive done crossfit for 8 months now. i havnt seen anything as absurd as what everyone is point to in here, and i would like to think that if it did, one of the instructors would say something and stop it. nobody gets ridiculed for not doing the Rx amounts (regarding weights) and if you are going for speed over form they will tell you to slow down and fix it.

there are dumbasses in gyms all over the world doing stupid lifts with poor form, but when you can put the crossfit tag on it, i guess its just a lot more fun to mock.

 

[dankir]

Dear lord...

http://youtu.be/7awHXVAGQYc


These anger me. Can't crossfit get shut down for this?

I don't think is safe for preggers women do being pull-ups let alone like that.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Man, feels good to have the beast in me coming back, pulled 500 after my main work today along with a bunch of ther stuff. Sady vacation. Ends soon though.

 

[reilo]

ive done crossfit for 8 months now. i havnt seen anything as absurd as what everyone is point to in here, and i would like to think that if it did, one of the instructors would say something and stop it. nobody gets ridiculed for not doing the Rx amounts (regarding weights) and if you are going for speed over form they will tell you to slow down and fix it.

there are dumbasses in gyms all over the world doing stupid lifts with poor form, but when you can put the crossfit tag on it, i guess its just a lot more fun to mock.

Ditto. That's my experience with Crossfit, too.

 

[Petrie]

ive done crossfit for 8 months now. i havnt seen anything as absurd as what everyone is point to in here, and i would like to think that if it did, one of the instructors would say something and stop it. nobody gets ridiculed for not doing the Rx amounts (regarding weights) and if you are going for speed over form they will tell you to slow down and fix it.

there are dumbasses in gyms all over the world doing stupid lifts with poor form, but when you can put the crossfit tag on it, i guess its just a lot more fun to mock.

That's great, except even the WOD when does as instructed on the main site is dangerous and poorly thought out at times. As discussed here: high volume deadlifts followed by box jumps? Wtf are they thinking?

 

[Anton Sugar]

ive done crossfit for 8 months now. i havnt seen anything as absurd as what everyone is point to in here, and i would like to think that if it did, one of the instructors would say something and stop it. nobody gets ridiculed for not doing the Rx amounts (regarding weights) and if you are going for speed over form they will tell you to slow down and fix it.

there are dumbasses in gyms all over the world doing stupid lifts with poor form, but when you can put the crossfit tag on it, i guess its just a lot more fun to mock.

I don't want to get into a debate about Xfit, but there are more factors than just random dumbassery that contribute to its criticism. 20% slop factor, choosing exercises just because they are hard, and a ridiculous "alpha/us against them" mentality, to name a few.

There certainly are good aspects to Xfit and a lot of good people have come out of it...but a lot of those people have distanced themselves from what it has become, as well.

 

[Petrie]

I don't want to get into a debate about Xfit, but there are more factors than just random dumbassery that contribute to its criticism. 20% slop factor, choosing exercises just because they are hard, and a ridiculous "alpha/us against them" mentality, to name a few.

Exactly. The entire thing is poorly designed programming. But it showcases well, and that's been a huge factor in the growth.

 

[CrankyJay]

I don't want to get into a debate about Xfit, but there are more factors than just random dumbassery that contribute to its criticism. 20% slop factor, choosing exercises just because they are hard, and a ridiculous "alpha/us against them" mentality, to name a few.

There certainly are good aspects to Xfit and a lot of good people have come out of it...but a lot of those people have distanced themselves from what it has become, as well.

Sounds cultish.

 

[Paddington Bear]

That's great, except even the WOD when does as instructed on the main site is dangerous and poorly thought out at times. As discussed here: high volume deadlifts followed by box jumps? Wtf are they thinking?

The WOD in question being 155lbs Deadlifts, 9 reps (not that insane by most standards), 12 pushups, and 15 box jumps... Which seems highly reasonable. I could probably do that as RXd. If all you could do was a few round of that in 15 minutes, mission accomplished.

I apologize, but when people freak out over "for time" it kinda gets under my skin. The CrossFit games is a race, plain and simple and that is probably not the best thing a person could do to themselves. But for me, a workout for time isn't one where I freak the eff out and compromise form for time, rather i merely start a stopwatch and record how long it takes. The next time i do that i can compare times and see how much I've improved.

My experience with CrossFit has been a completely positive one

I don't want to get into a debate about Xfit, but there are more factors than just random dumbassery that contribute to its criticism. 20% slop factor, choosing exercises just because they are hard, and a ridiculous "alpha/us against them" mentality, to name a few.

There certainly are good aspects to Xfit and a lot of good people have come out of it...but a lot of those people have distanced themselves from what it has become, as well.

I agree with this fully, the wackjobs are basically the only thing I'm ashamed of when it comes to CrossFit. The "Alpha" mentality, while not limited to CrossFit, is something I try and avoid

 

[Anton Sugar]

Exactly. The entire thing is poorly designed programming. But it showcases well, and that's been a huge factor in the growth.

Yup. Makes a great "dude, I have a friend who does crossfit and that shit is TOUGH" conversation point. Everyone wants to be tough.

 

[Petrie]

The WOD in question being 155lbs Deadlifts, 9 reps (not that insane by most standards), 12 pushups, and 15 box jumps... Which seems highly reasonable. I could probably do that as RXd. If all you could do was a few round of that in 15 minutes, mission accomplished.

I apologize, but when people freak out over "for time" it kinda gets under my skin. The CrossFit games is a race, plain and simple and that is probably not the best thing a person could do to themselves. But for me, a workout for time isn't one where I freak the eff out and compromise form for time, rather i merely start a stopwatch and record how long it takes. The next time i do that i can compare times and see how much I've improved.

And there's the source of so much of the hate. Measuring progress on a lift like deadlifts by how fast you can do them isn't just a poor meathod, it's a dangerous one. You are being taught to measure your progress by a dangerous metric.

The "for time" thing is a valid, powerful criticism of the program, and one those of us serious about this aren't going to just gloss over.