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[fredrancour]

The WOD in question being 155lbs Deadlifts, 9 reps (not that insane by most standards), 12 pushups, and 15 box jumps... Which seems highly reasonable. I could probably do that as RXd. If all you could do was a few round of that in 15 minutes, mission accomplished.

I apologize, but when people freak out over "for time" it kinda gets under my skin. The CrossFit games is a race, plain and simple and that is probably not the best thing a person could do to themselves. But for me, a workout for time isn't one where I freak the eff out and compromise form for time, rather i merely start a stopwatch and record how long it takes. The next time i do that i can compare times and see how much I've improved.

My experience with CrossFit has been a completely positive one

It feels like if the directions say "for time" and it's a large scale commercial gym most people aren't going to be that relaxed about it. I'd imagine tons of people would rush it and those of you who do normal deadlifts while a stopwatch just happens to be running are a minority.

 

[Paddington Bear]

And there's the source of so much of the hate. Measuring progress on a lift like deadlifts by how fast you can do them isn't just a poor meathod, it's a dangerous one. You are being taught to measure your progress by a dangerous metric.

The "for time" thing is a valid, powerful criticism of the program, and one those of us serious about this aren't going to just gloss over.

Why would that be dangerous? Seriously, if you take 45 minutes to do 10 deadlifts or 3 minutes one isn't "safer" than the other. If you have bad form and take forever, you are going to hurt yourself. And which of those times demonstrates someone's fitness better?

I think the kind of progress that CrossFit achieves is different than what BodyBuilding or Practical Programming will achieve. I'm not trying to gain mass or trying to lift an insane amount.

 

[Petrie]

Why would that be dangerous? Seriously, if you take 45 minutes to do 10 deadlifts or 3 minutes one isn't "safer" than the other. If you have bad form and take forever, you are going to hurt yourself. And which of those times demonstrates someone's fitness better?

I think the kind of progress that CrossFit achieves is different than what BodyBuilding or Practical Programming will achieve. I'm not trying to gain mass or trying to lift an insane amount.

The difference is that going faster ENCOURAGES poor form. Hence, doing them for time, especially for a novice lifter, is dengerous as all hell. Form should be the main focus for any beginning lifter, and XF puts form on the back burner to focus on other things. I'm glad you've had success with it, but as a program and organization, it's an allaround subpar product. Isolated cases where things are better because they don't truly follow XF and instead use the name but employ a more rational program don't make XF as a whole any less shitty.

 

[dankir]

The difference is that going faster ENCOURAGES poor form. Hence, doing them for time, especially for a novice lifter, is dengerous as all hell. Form should be the main focus for any beginning lifter, and XF puts form on the back burner to focus on other things. I'm glad you've had success with it, but as a program and organization, it's an allaround subpar product. Isolated cases where things are better because they don't truly follow XF and instead use the name but employ a more rational program don't make XF as a whole any less shitty.

In fact it should be the only thing you should focus on when you start lifting. If you're form is ass then you're just wasting your time.

 

[Petrie]

In fact it should be the only thing you should focus on when you start lifting. If you're form is ass then you're just wasting your time.

Yep. XF ignores that completely. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of it. You can't do things "for time" and have your main focus be form. Doesn't work. Not logical.

 

[ZombieFred]

Fuuuck me, talk about having to go to extra time to get the last bit of sturbon fat left out of my body, I've been to gym four times this week so far and will be again tomorow and swimming Saturday. I am at 9% body fat now and I need to get down to six so I imagine it's a fair bit of the remaining 15 pounds of body fat I have left in my body (77.5 kg, 6'3) but I feel so good each time after and I like my diet I've got that has no bad carbs and is always around 80 grams of the stuff. I imagine if I keep this up burning 700 calories on the treadmill at high intensity with weights on specific body parts each day, with abs being one of them every other day in the week, I should get to my body in 4-5 weeks time with this routine?

4-5 weeks of hell but it will be very rewarding when I see the last abs at the bottom with that little tiny pocket of flab on there and on the side hips gone.

It feels good to think that I was at 107 kg over two and a half years ago...

 

[Paddington Bear]

The difference is that going faster ENCOURAGES poor form. Hence, doing them for time, especially for a novice lifter, is dengerous as all hell. Form should be the main focus for any beginning lifter, and XF puts form on the back burner to focus on other things. I'm glad you've had success with it, but as a program and organization, it's an allaround subpar product. Isolated cases where things are better because they don't truly follow XF and instead use the name but employ a more rational program don't make XF as a whole any less shitty.

This I can get behind. Not taking the time to learn proper form well enough not to hurt yourself is stupid... And going for time does encourge bad form even if you should know better... I had already gone through multiple disciplines before beginning CrossFit. I would only suggest it to someone who, like myself, wanted to mix things up and was smart enough to tailor CrossFit and not injure themselves or endanger fellow gym goers...

Thanks for the counter point Petrie, haha

 

[ToxicAdam]

I like the idea of Crossfit. It's trying to make working out as fun and varied as possible. But I cringe when I look at these WOD's or when they take an exercise and introduce a time element to it. Not only is it dangerous to beginners and intermediates, but it just seems like an excuse for already in shape people to swing their dick about.

 

[twofold]

The difference is that going faster ENCOURAGES poor form. Hence, doing them for time, especially for a novice lifter, is dengerous as all hell. Form should be the main focus for any beginning lifter, and XF puts form on the back burner to focus on other things. I'm glad you've had success with it, but as a program and organization, it's an allaround subpar product. Isolated cases where things are better because they don't truly follow XF and instead use the name but employ a more rational program don't make XF as a whole any less shitty.

Not every Crossfit gym dismisses form. The first Crossfit gym I went to had a trainer who instantly discounted any WOD times if he saw an exercise being done with poor form.

There are a lot of bad Crossfit gyms out there, but there are also a lot of good ones. The good gyms don't use the Crossfit mainsite programming, either. They either do their own stuff or focus on something like Crossfit Football (which is an awesome program).

 

[mrbagdt]

Yup. Makes a great "dude, I have a friend who does crossfit and that shit is TOUGH" conversation point. Everyone wants to be tough.

i do crossfit as well as jiu jitsu, and jiu jitsu gyms can have the exact same mentality that you are referring to as being so stupid with crossfit. people with alpha dog mindsets, people that dont use any technique in grappling but instead rely on pure strength and speed to escape submissions or apply submissions to others. what you guys are harping on can be found in almost all types of fitness organizations, from a running track to a weight room. isnt this something that comes down to the people more so than the product?

as to that WOD on the main site that you take such issue with, i dont really know how to make any comment on that. im not an expert on the danger of deadlifts combined with box jumps, but its not hard for me to believe that someone could push their body so hard on exercises like that where they could hurt themselves. and in cases like that, its appropriate to put all the blame on the gym rather than any on the person? i guess i'd really need someone to point to a gym where they have poorly designed workouts a few times a month rather than one bad workout that was a year ago.

Yep. XF ignores that completely. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of it. You can't do things "for time" and have your main focus be form. Doesn't work. Not logical.

whatever man, you're just wrong. keeping track of your time means you never do good form? maybe some people do focus on time over form (which i would say is not a good thing), but to say thats the entire point of crossfit is garbage.

 

[Petrie]

This I can get behind. Not taking the time to learn proper form well enough not to hurt yourself is stupid... And going for time does encourge bad form even if you should know better... I had already gone through multiple disciplines before beginning CrossFit. I would only suggest it to someone who, like myself, wanted to mix things up and was smart enough to tailor CrossFit and not injure themselves or endanger fellow gym goers...

Thanks for the counter point Petrie, haha

This I have no issue with. XF for the beginner is where most of my issues are. When you're uneducated and don't know any better, you're likely going to walk into a place that will ignore the basics, teach speed over form, etc.

It seems all those with good XF experience give the caveat "my XF gym isn't like that", but the danger is you are encouraging novies to think that what XF teaches on the whole is good for them, which is pretty far from the truth.

I fully acknowledge that an intermediate lifter bringing knowledge to the table can take advantage of the positives of the group mentality, challenge, etc. That lifter is going to know better than to make those mistakes though. Novices don't.

 

[Paddington Bear]

There are a lot of bad Crossfit gyms out there, but there are also a lot of good ones. The good gyms don't use the Crossfit mainsite programming, either. They either do their own stuff or focus on something like Crossfit Football (which is an awesome program).

CrossFit football is awesome

I fully acknowledge that an intermediate lifter bringing knowledge to the table can take advantage of the positives of the group mentality, challenge, etc. That lifter is going to know better than to make those mistakes though. Novices don't.

Rest assured, I will never mention CrossFit on GAF again haha

 

[andycapps]

I don't see why time matters at all.. Your main goal should be good form and increasing your strength. Doesn't mean you need to spend 3 hours in a gym to get a good workout, but if you're measuring how long it takes to complete an exercise, it seems like you're missing the point.

 

[seattle6418]

I know for a fact that my diet is going to determine weather i suceed or not on my goals, but reading all the post from this thread makes me wonder if the whole motto of "moderation is key" is really truth.

Seems like most fit persons don´t eat any junk food.

So that makes me question ripped-GAF, do you eat any junk food? Like, once a week, once a month or just never?

The following things, can i have those sometimes and with moderation or just never ever ever if i want to be in very good shape?

Ice cream
French fries
Burgers
Bacon
Candy
Chocolate
Coca Cola
Lasagna


I mean, it would be pretty sad to find out that in order to get ripped and stay ripped and i can´t get any of those for the rest of my life.

I´m sure ripped-GAF will give me some good answers.

 

[Petrie]

I know for a fact that my diet is going to determine weather i suceed or not on my goals, but reading all the post from this thread makes me wonder if the whole motto of "moderation is key" is really truth.

Seems like most fit persons don´t eat any junk food.

So that makes me question ripped-GAF, do you eat any junk food? Like, once a week, once a month or just never?

The following things, can i have those sometimes and with moderation or just never ever ever if i want to be in very good shape?

Ice cream
French fries
Burgers
Bacon
Candles
Chocolate
Coca Cola
Lasagna


I mean, it would be pretty sad to find out that in order to get ripped and stay ripped and i can´t get any of those for the rest of my life.

I´m sure ripped-GAF will give me some good answers.

Most of us I imagine prioritize the "bad food". I ask myself if it's worth the calories. I don't eat candy at all, because for one I'm diabetic, but more importantly, I'll be much more satisfied by a burger, a few slices of pizza, or some ice cream, for the same calories.

It isn't that you can't have a coke or candy, it's that once you stick to it, you don't want those things anymore.

Also, bacon, burgers, etc, are stables when you're trying to grow. Being willing to skip the crap that comes along with it is where you'll succeed or fail. Have yourself an awesome burger, but be willing to skip the fries and coke that the typical meal serves them with. That's where moderation comes in. Have the pizza, skip the wings and bread sticks.


Those foods can no longer be things you have all the time. And that means being more selective about the ones that are important to you when you do cheat. Fuck candy, give me a goddamn burger.

 

[CrankyJay]

Fuck candy, give me a goddamn burger.

You're like me. My boss is like "I'm gonna cheat with ice cream and candy" and I'm like "What a waste, go eat some wings or a burger"

 

[bro1]

I know for a fact that my diet is going to determine weather i suceed or not on my goals, but reading all the post from this thread makes me wonder if the whole motto of "moderation is key" is really truth.

Seems like most fit persons don´t eat any junk food.

So that makes me question ripped-GAF, do you eat any junk food? Like, once a week, once a month or just never?

The following things, can i have those sometimes and with moderation or just never ever ever if i want to be in very good shape?

Ice cream
French fries
Burgers
Bacon
Candy
Chocolate
Coca Cola
Lasagna


I mean, it would be pretty sad to find out that in order to get ripped and stay ripped and i can´t get any of those for the rest of my life.

I´m sure ripped-GAF will give me some good answers.

You can eat all of those foods and still get ripped. However, you can't eat a lot of those foods. You want ice cream? Have a single serving and make sure you account for the calories.

I lost 50lbs two years ago and I drank beer everyday. I allowed for the calories and did plenty of exercise.

Today, I ran 5K in 31 minutes and then swam 3K in about 45 minutes. Tonight, I will eat mashed potatoes with butter and drink beer because tomorrow morning, I will squat and military press and then run another 3K.

Many, many people are over thinking and over complicating fitness. Do your cardio, lift big weights in good form, and eat healthy. It's not too hard, it's just hard to commit to doing it everyday.

 

[BumRush]

I know for a fact that my diet is going to determine weather i suceed or not on my goals, but reading all the post from this thread makes me wonder if the whole motto of "moderation is key" is really truth.

Seems like most fit persons don´t eat any junk food.

So that makes me question ripped-GAF, do you eat any junk food? Like, once a week, once a month or just never?

The following things, can i have those sometimes and with moderation or just never ever ever if i want to be in very good shape?

Ice cream
French fries
Burgers
Bacon
Candy
Chocolate
Coca Cola
Lasagna


I mean, it would be pretty sad to find out that in order to get ripped and stay ripped and i can´t get any of those for the rest of my life.

I´m sure ripped-GAF will give me some good answers.

I would advise you to cheat (moderately) once a week...if you completely cut out EVERYTHING your body will get used to the new you and stop working so hard. Trick it sometimes.

As a general rule for me, the order of what's acceptable (most to least...excluding things you should actually eat like lean meat, complex carbs, etc.):

Fats - Burgers, bacon, etc.
Carbs - French Fries, Lasagna
Sugars - Ice cream, chocolate, candy
NEVER - soda

Just remember that moderation is king...

 

[FallingEdge]

You can eat all of those foods and still get ripped. However, you can't eat a lot of those foods. You want ice cream? Have a single serving and make sure you account for the calories.

I lost 50lbs two years ago and I drank beer everyday. I allowed for the calories and did plenty of exercise.

Today, I ran 5K in 31 minutes and then swam 3K in about 45 minutes. Tonight, I will eat mashed potatoes with butter and drink beer because tomorrow morning, I will squat and military press and then run another 3K.

Many, many people are over thinking and over complicating fitness. Do your cardio, lift big weights in good form, and eat healthy. It's not too hard, it's just hard to commit to doing it everyday.

It depends on your definition of 'ripped'. If trying to cut down to single digit bf%, it is damn near impossible to eat those foods and reach your goal.

 

[CrankyJay]

You can eat all of those foods and still get ripped. However, you can't eat a lot of those foods. You want ice cream? Have a single serving and make sure you account for the calories.

I lost 50lbs two years ago and I drank beer everyday. I allowed for the calories and did plenty of exercise.

Today, I ran 5K in 31 minutes and then swam 3K in about 45 minutes. Tonight, I will eat mashed potatoes with butter and drink beer because tomorrow morning, I will squat and military press and then run another 3K.

Many, many people are over thinking and over complicating fitness. Do your cardio, lift big weights in good form, and eat healthy. It's not too hard, it's just hard to commit to doing it everyday.

Now that you mention it, I think people have a hard time reconciling that weight loss/fat loss is over time and not divided up into daily sections. Sure, it's easier to say "I'm only going to have 2000 calories every day", but you can certainly go ahead and eat 2500 one day and a little less the next day, or account for it with exercise/activity of some sort.

 

[andycapps]

I know for a fact that my diet is going to determine weather i suceed or not on my goals, but reading all the post from this thread makes me wonder if the whole motto of "moderation is key" is really truth.

Seems like most fit persons don´t eat any junk food.

So that makes me question ripped-GAF, do you eat any junk food? Like, once a week, once a month or just never?

The following things, can i have those sometimes and with moderation or just never ever ever if i want to be in very good shape?

Ice cream
French fries
Burgers
Bacon
Candy
Chocolate
Coca Cola
Lasagna

I mean, it would be pretty sad to find out that in order to get ripped and stay ripped and i can´t get any of those for the rest of my life.

I´m sure ripped-GAF will give me some good answers.

Well, I'm not "ripped-GAF" yet, but I'm on my way there. Can "ripped-GAF" have those things and still be ripped? Yeah, it's probably not instantly going to spawn a spare tire around their waist. For me or someone trying to get there, dumb calories from unnecessary things can only prolong the journey to get there, so you have to ask yourself if it's worth it. But, you also have to let yourself have some treats every now and then, emphasis on the now and then. Coke and other sodas just don't taste good to me after drinking water, black coffee, green tea, and occasionally some Gatorade. Bacon is definitely a good thing for me. Chocolate is good if it's dark chocolate and in limited doses. Burgers are pretty good, steaks would be a better option. French fries.. The vegetable oils they're fried in (containing trans fats) are pretty bad for you, but it's not going to kill you occasionally.

If you make a diet out of your list, obviously you're never going to get ripped. If you eat one of those things occasionally, you're good. But the rest of the time your diet needs to be pretty clean if you want to get there.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

I don't see why time matters at all.. Your main goal should be good form and increasing your strength. Doesn't mean you need to spend 3 hours in a gym to get a good workout, but if you're measuring how long it takes to complete an exercise, it seems like you're missing the point.

Does anyone know if there are versions of CrossFit out there that throw out the time element? I could see myself being interested in that type of workout at some point, once I reach my strength and aesthetic goals or get pretty close to them.

 

[mrbagdt]

Does anyone know if there are versions of CrossFit out there that throw out the time element? I could see myself being interested in that type of workout at some point, once I reach my strength and aesthetic goals or get pretty close to them.

you could always just do the workouts and not stress and worry about your time...

 

[seattle6418]

It depends on your definition of 'ripped'. If trying to cut down to single digit bf%, it is damn near impossible to eat those foods and reach your goal.

That´s about what i expect to give me a good look. Last evaluation i took, before starting to work out, i was at 16%.

I think cutting it down to 8-9% will give the results i want. I don´t want to look like a bodybuilder or one of those crazy 4-5% bodyfat guys that look like cyborgs. Just good shape, being able to go to the beach without feeling ashamed.

I asked because while i see results in most muscles, the abs are still covered by a blanket of fat and the muscles still don´t look cut.

I blamed it all on the diet, specially because i usually cheat more during the weekends, and sunday is my day off.

Many thanks to the quick responses, i believe slowly i can adapt to the new lifestyle.

 

[FallingEdge]

That´s about what i expect to give me a good look. Last evaluation i took, before starting to work out, i was at 16%.

I think cutting it down to 8-9% will give the results i want. I don´t want to look like a bodybuilder or one of those crazy 4-5% bodyfat guys that look like cyborgs. Just good shape, being able to go to the beach without feeling ashamed.

I asked because while i see results in most muscles, the abs are still covered by a blanket of fat and the muscles still don´t look cut.

I blamed it all on the diet, specially because i usually cheat more during the weekends, and sunday is my day off.

Many thanks to the quick responses, i believe slowly i can adapt to the new lifestyle.

Word.

Yeah, you can still eat those foods and be fine but the rest of your diet has to be on point and of course, it depends on your specific body type and how your body handles those meals. Eating them once a week as a part of your cheat meal, all good. Eating them every day or several times a week, it is going to be much much harder, if not impossible.

 

[BumRush]

It depends on your definition of 'ripped'. If trying to cut down to single digit bf%, it is damn near impossible to eat those foods and reach your goal.

I'm 5'9", 170 Lbs...probably 6.8% - 7.3% BF right now...i'll end up running close to 1,000 miles this year, I lift 5 times a week...i'd like to consider myself "ripped GAF"...I'd definitely disagree with your statement though...you should cheat sometimes (albeit very rarely), both for your body and your mind

 

[I'm an expert]

Strange.. I have a friend who constantly says "everything in moderation" in regards to his workout/diet routines. Which is to say he's sloppy and lacks will power, self-control, and discipline. I'm of the "cheat days" or whatever nonsense are stupid variety, but I realize everyone has a different outlook on it. No, the one candy bar isn't going to kill you, but it isn't going to save you either. Why bother? 10 seconds of enjoyment? Better to masturbate then.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

First time hitting standing OHP in a while. Managed to pull a 190lbs for a single. Gotta work on these for more raw shoulder/upper body strength

 

[FallingEdge]

I'm 5'9", 170 Lbs...probably 6.8% - 7.3% BF right now...i'll end up running close to 1,000 miles this year, I lift 5 times a week...i'd like to consider myself "ripped GAF"...I'd definitely disagree with your statement though...you should cheat sometimes (albeit very rarely), both for your body and your mind

Sorry, I should have clarified more. You are right that you can eat cheat like that and be fine. I was talking more of it being a constant part of your diet =)

 

[andycapps]

Speaking of cheating.. I feel like I'm cheating when I made some homemade protein pops with a recipe someone posted on a previous page. Just 2 cups of milk, 4 scoops protein powder, and half a box of instant pudding mix. Tastes great and scratches that sweet itch that I get occasionally, while still keeping me on the straight and narrow.

First time hitting standing OHP in a while.anaged to pull a 190lbs for a dogleg. Gotta work on these for more raw shoulder/upper body strength

I'm sure you've answered this a million times, but who's that in your avatar?

 

[Petrie]

That´s about what i expect to give me a good look. Last evaluation i took, before starting to work out, i was at 16%.

I think cutting it down to 8-9% will give the results i want. I don´t want to look like a bodybuilder or one of those crazy 4-5% bodyfat guys that look like cyborgs. Just good shape, being able to go to the beach without feeling ashamed.

I asked because while i see results in most muscles, the abs are still covered by a blanket of fat and the muscles still don´t look cut.

I blamed it all on the diet, specially because i usually cheat more during the weekends, and sunday is my day off.

Many thanks to the quick responses, i believe slowly i can adapt to the new lifestyle.

I don't think an entire "day off" is a good thing. You can do a lot of damage when you give yourself an entire day. And if Sunday is a day off, then it should be the ONLY time you cheat.

 

[Petrie]

Speaking of cheating.. I feel like I'm cheating when I made some homemade protein pops with a recipe someone posted on a previous page. Just 2 cups of milk, 4 scoops protein powder, and half a box of instant pudding mix. Tastes great and scratches that sweet itch that I get occasionally, while still keeping me on the straight and narrow.

You're welcome! Lol

Those are the best thing that ever happened to my cut. For serious.

Now try the cheesecake flavor, but throw in some PB2. It's goddamn amazing. A full on dessert.

 

[bro1]

It depends on your definition of 'ripped'. If trying to cut down to single digit bf%, it is damn near impossible to eat those foods and reach your goal.

You can still have visible abs and eat those foods. just not too much. Not sure about single digit bf, but I'm 36, married, with a kid so I don't care too much about that.

 

[bro1]

I don't think an entire "day off" is a good thing. You can do a lot of damage when you give yourself an entire day. And if Sunday is a day off, then it should be the ONLY time you cheat.

oh, come on! One-day off a week is healthy for both the body and mind. This is fitness-gaf, not "ocd, omg, i'm going to get fat if I eat one piece of candy and not run 5 miles gaf"

 

[Petrie]

You can still have visible abs and eat those foods. just not too much. Not sure about single digit bf, but I'm 36, married, with a kid so I don't care too much about that.

A lot of it depends on how active you are as well. If your only activity is lifting, then it'll be tough to eat those and get super cut. Personally, I bartend so I'm on my feet running around for hours on end at work, in addition to lifting I love going on long walks with a podcast, hard bike rides, playing DDR, running, etc, so I have a lot more leeway when it comes to diet.

 

[BumRush]

Sorry, I should have clarified more. You are right that you can eat cheat like that and be fine. I was talking more of it being a constant part of your diet =)

Absolutely, I totally agree...I balance every cheat day with an extra 2-3 mile pre-work morning run...I don't like running before work so I try to cheat as little as possible!

 

[andycapps]

You're welcome! Lol

Those are the best thing that ever happened to my cut. For serious.

Now try the cheesecake flavor, but throw in some PB2. It's goddamn amazing. A full on dessert.

I feel like I'm being dense here, but what is PB2? Haha

Also, anyone have any tips for getting cramps post-HIIT sprints? Mine were actually hours later when I was asleep, woke up and had excruciating cramps in my shins and calves. I drank some milk and went back to bed and was pretty good. I drank some water after my sprints and had some protein shake.. Maybe I should drink Gatorade instead? I don't like bananas, but I know the potassium in those are good for cramps.

 

[Petrie]

oh, come on! One-day off a week is healthy for both the body and mind. This is fitness-gaf, not "ocd, omg, i'm going to get fat if I eat one piece of candy and not run 5 miles gaf"

For me personally, I find it much better for my sanity to spread things out. An entire cheat day leaves too much room. I'd rather have waffles for breakfast on Sunday, a buger for dinner Wednesday, etc, than just say "fuck it I'm going to binge every Sunday". Leads to a better diet overall, but keeps those cravings well satiated.

Also, keep in mind your goals are different than his. You've clearly said you don't care about being ripped with a 6pack and 8% bodyfat. He does.

 

[Petrie]

I feel like I'm being dense here, but what is PB2?.

PB2 is powdered peanut butter with all the fat and oil removed. It's delicious.

 

[andycapps]

PB2 is powdered peanut butter with all the fat and oil removed. It's delicious.

Interesting... I love peanuts, and I know a lot of people in the fitness community aren't fond of them for health reasons.. PB2 seems to take a lot of the harmful stuff out of the equation. I'll pick some of this up, thanks!

 

[BumRush]

oh, come on! One-day off a week is healthy for both the body and mind. This is fitness-gaf, not "ocd, omg, i'm going to get fat if I eat one piece of candy and not run 5 miles gaf"

Amen, bro...

 

[bro1]

For me personally, I find it much better for my sanity to spread things out. An entire cheat day leaves too much room. I'd rather have waffles for breakfast on Sunday, a buger for dinner Wednesday, etc, than just say "fuck it I'm going to binge every Sunday". Leads to a better diet overall, but keeps those cravings well satiated.

Also, keep in mind your goals are different than his. You've clearly said you don't care about being ripped with a 6pack and 8% bodyfat. He does.

I'm not saying to binge, I'm saying to have a day when you just spend it with your wife and kids and not worry about exercise or precise eating.

My goal is to get to a 1:10 minute tri, so it's not 8% bf but yes for abs visible

 

[Petrie]

Interesting... I love peanuts, and I know a lot of people in the fitness community aren't fond of them for health reasons.. PB2 seems to take a lot of the harmful stuff out of the equation. I'll pick some of this up, thanks!

You get the protein and deliciousness of peanut butter, but in a much healthier form for sure. The stuff with cocoa is really good as well, though I imagine you can just add cocoa to the regular stuff with similar results.

One of the best impulse purchases I ever made from SlickDeals.

I'm not saying to binge, I'm saying to have a day when you just spend it with your wife and kids and not worry about exercise or precise eating.

My goal is to get to a 1:10 minute tri, so it's not 8% bf but yes for abs visible

Fair enough. We just have different ideas of a cheat day, as everyone I've ever known treats it as a binge. It's usually Sunday during football, and they'll have an entire pizza, wings, a case of beer, some subs later, etc, etc, etc.

What you describe I'm sure is fine.

It sounds to me though like he is looking for really cut abs, not just for them to be slightly visible. He even mentions being able to see them but a "blanket of fat" still. For what he wants, you're looking at 8% bf or so and maybe even slightly lower for some people.

 

[Deleted member 12837]

you could always just do the workouts and not stress and worry about your time...

True, but aren't most of them structured as cycles of exercises + reps, and you do as many cycles as you can in a given amount of time? How would I then structure how many cycles to do, without the time element?

I can't imagine it would be very effective for me to spend the entire gym session repeating it over and over for the full 45-60 minutes (or until I feel like I can't lift anymore, whichever comes first I guess).

PB2 is powdered peanut butter with all the fat and oil removed. It's delicious.

This is very intriguing. Is it all-natural / organic? Isn't the fat one of the good elements of regular PB (or is it bad fat, can't remember)?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

These beach community gyms are the worst offenders for toothpick legs iv seen. Everyone looks like a fucking Lolly pop. I was doing my Bbb squats and a guy walks over and says "I need to do those" I responded everyone needs to do them! I've never seen so many upper body only lifters in my life, and it has to be because of the proximity to the beach.

 

[bro1]

These beach community gyms are the worst offenders for toothpick legs iv seen. Everyone looks like a fucking Lolly pop. I was doing my Bbb squats and a guy walks over and says "I need to do those" I responded everyone needs to do them! I've never seen so many upper body only lifters in my life, and it has to be because of the proximity to the beach.

that bad, huh? I haven't been to a commercial gym here in Charleston yet as I have the home gym.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

that bad, huh? I haven't been to a commercial gym here in Charleston yet as I have the home gym.

Yeah, and more roid heads than iv ever seen too. It's still a great gym though. Also, a bunch of dudes come in with ther girlfriends who are are basically wearing shorts so tight they look painted on, then evil eye everyone that looks at them. I just roll my eye at that shit. Pretty damned entertaining.

 

[bro1]

True, but aren't most of them structured as cycles of exercises + reps, and you do as many cycles as you can in a given amount of time? How would I then structure how many cycles to do, without the time element?

I can't imagine it would be very effective for me to spend the entire gym session repeating it over and over for the full 45-60 minutes (or until I feel like I can't lift anymore, whichever comes first I guess).




This is very intriguing. Is it all-natural / organic? Isn't the fat one of the good elements of regular PB (or is it bad fat, can't remember)?

The idea of crossfit is that you are getting a lifting experience with a cardio impact. It's circuit training essentially.

The right way to do it would be an Arthur Jones/Elliot Darden style HIT workout where there is an emphasis on form and control and working to complete positive and negative failure. Check out some of the workouts that were done by Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates.

 

[bro1]

Yeah, and more roid heads than iv ever seen too. It's still a great gym though. Also, a bunch of dudes come in with ther girlfriends who are are basically wearing shorts so tight they look painted on, then evil eye everyone that looks at them. I just roll my eye at that shit. Pretty damned entertaining.

nice about the booty shorts. Down by the beach, there are some very hot girls.

God, I can't wait until my wife gets her boobs installed.

 

[Petrie]

This is very intriguing. Is it all-natural / organic? Isn't the fat one of the good elements of regular PB (or is it bad fat, can't remember)?

Couldn't tell you. Organic and such isn't on the list of things I worry about. Not enough standards anyways.