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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Mr.City

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I feel the same way, but I was under the impression that the only way to get a lower body fat % is to stay at a calorie deficit?

That is true. However, bear in mind that you're still pretty skinny and aren't carrying a whole lot of muscle mass, despite those nice lifts. Those who are undermuscled generally don't like the results when the body fat comes off.

So I just realized that I've been drinking nearly 2,000 calories a day in chocolate milk alone. Holy shit.

That's a whole lotta of milk.

Lol, it's great when you go in to bench and finish up with 340 for reps, but as you're loading the bar up another bigger guy looks at you like you're crazy, purposely stands at the back of the room to watch you "fail" then you knock out 3 reps like it's a walk in the park. Then watch as he simply walks away.

Feels good bruh.

Ah yes, it is a good feeling. I like the feeling of squatting one guy's max for a set of 5. It should be mentioned that said guy has been lifting for years and doesn't "have the frame for all that mass."

Second: you make it sound like doing nothing is better than doing a little something. Again, I'm aiming very low. So low that you would only notice a tiny difference. That's not gonna make my body look disproportionate and it sure as hell beats doing nothing at all.

That's the last time I post here cause all you guys do is discourage me from doing something to doing nothing at all.

While I'm not a moderator here, I generally like the course of this thread to be one that is open and supportive. That being said, the regulars here are a group of who works hard and dreams big. If you got C- aspirations, then do any old thing you want. It won't really matter as it is something. There's plenty of the info in the OP (and it's growing) to tell you how to plan a routine, be it weight or bodyweight.If you want us to give you pat on the back no matter your routine, then this isn't the thread for you.

So how many reps should I be doing in squats? I read that one good routine is doing 20 reps and then adding 5lbs (or 2.5 kgs) every week, while still doing 20 reps?

It depends on what you to achieve.
 

Swag

Member
Hello Fitness Gaf!

Age: 24
Height: 6 foot 0 inches
Weight: 64 kg ( 142 pounds )
Goal: I'm hoping to gain about 25-30 pounds, I'm quite lanky currently and it doesn't look very good as you can imagine.
Current Training Equipment Available: I'm a member at Virgin active, it's equivalent I guess to an average LA Fitness

So I'm taking a considerably long vacation ( about 6 months to a year ) and I thought it would be a good time to spend some time in the gym. I've been going for about 2 weeks now, doing a routine that was suggested by a fitness trainer at the gym;

Current Training Schedule:

Monday / Thursday:

Standing Calf Raises 3x8
Seated Calf Raises 3x8
45 degree leg press 3x5
Leg curl 3x8
Leg extensions 3x8
Dumbbell squats 3x5
Dumbbell lunges 3x5
Abdominal work ( sit ups, Reach and Catch, dumbbell side bends )

Tuesday / Friday:

Pec Dec 3x8
Barbell curl ( Machine ) 3x8
Seated barbel wrist curl 3x8
Alternate Arnold Presses 3x8
Cable Tricep Extension 3x5
Lat pull down 3x8
Seated cable row 3x8
Abdominal work
There are two other machines I use on these days but I cant remember their names, tricep excercises though.

The problem is I don't know how well this workout is working, I seem to be having gains as I can do higher weights then when I started but I don't know how much of that can be attributed to my body just getting used to working out

I'm thinking of moving towards a workout thats similar to what's in the OP beginner section, mixed with a bit of "Westside for skinny bastards", but I don't want to if it's not necessary, especially because I'd have to hire a trainer to ensure that I'm doing the proper form for these exercises, using Internet resources aren't really an option where I am. 

One other issue that I've been having is with nutrition, I've been slowly leaning into the milk diet, currently drinking 2 liters of milk a day along with a full breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I'd like to keep it at 2 liters as I'm lactose intolerant and access to lactase powder is a bit tough on the regular. But as well I dunno if this is working, my weight has been fluctuating between 63.5 - 64.3 kg, I'm not sure if I should start consuming more milk, I'm meeting my protein requirements ( whey protein supplement aid ), I'm not even sure if  it's even possible for me to reach my 170 pound goal, considering my body type.

Anyway, can anyone give me feedback on the workout as well as the diet, and any pointers? I'm trying to stay motivated as I've had many attempts at going to the gym consistently in the past with lots of failure.

Thanks in advance.
 

Qwerty710710

a child left behind
I have a question about supplements. Is it really necessary to take Glutamine,BCAA,creatine, N.O. and others to really grow in size?? I know a lot of those supplements are already found in whey protein with the exception of creatine. Don't know if it's really worth the investment unless I know it really works.
 

kylej

Banned
um you don't have a single compound lift in your routine outside of dumbbell squat, leg press, cable row, and lat pulldown, and all four of those are inferior versions of the proper lift they're based off of.

Do Starting Strength for 6 months. Eat a lot, rest a lot. That's it.

I have a question about supplements. Is it really necessary to take Glutamine,BCAA,creatine, N.O. and others to really grow in size?? I know a lot of those supplements are already found in whey protein with the exception of creatine. Don't know if it's really worth the investment unless I know it really works.

nope, you don't even need creatine or whey. I don't use any of that shit, I'd rather spend the money on my bike.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I can't go back in that thread anymore, shit just keeps getting more stupid.

Gained 3 lbs of water weight while visiting family. Fat. - _ -

Ah well. Back to the deficit and morning cardio.

This is the second time you've posted this, are you looking for attention or something?

I am starting at a much lighter weight and then going up from there. I'm at 200 right now but I started at 135. And the idea is that you are doing breathing squats so if that means you are taking 10 breaths between reps, then that is what you do.

A co-worker/former powerfliter suggested it to me. I like it so far.

If you're not dryheaving around 300 I'll be shocked! ;)
 
This is the second time you've posted this, are you looking for attention or something
Meh, not really. Just kinda feel like I need to get it out of my system so I can look at it and remind myself to stick to my guns. I know there isn't a cure-all and that weight loss is a war of patience and time. Hell, I know the number on the scale isn't important relative to how the person looks, but it is frustrating at times to see just how quickly my body can gain weight if I miss my macro by just a dozen grams or so.
 
Tomorrow my cast is removed from my hand and I can get back to the gym. It's been nearly 2 weeks since my last session, and even though i've not been going for a really long time, I miss the gym so much.

If you missed the thread, this is what happened.

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despire

Member
So can anyone offer me advice on the matter of doing 5/3/1 BBB and LeanGains body recomp? Is it possible or is it just too much volume to sustain while on a small weekly deficit?

Just wondering what to do after PSMF and want to know about my options.
 

Lamel

Banned
So my 9-5 job started last week (get up 6:30, return home 6:30), so i stopped exercising for a week...it was just so tiring. But then I read this thread tonight at like 11 PM, felt inspired, did 105 pushups, 10 one legged squats and HIIT. Feels good man.

I just hope I can continue exercises during the long ass work week...I just feel so tired, barely any time for anything else.
 

Petrie

Banned
So my 9-5 job started last week (get up 6:30, return home 6:30), so i stopped exercising for a week...it was just so tiring. But then I read this thread tonight at like 11 PM, felt inspired, did 105 pushups, 10 one legged squats and HIIT. Feels good man.

I just hope I can continue exercises during the long ass work week...I just feel so tired, barely any time for anything else.

Your 8 hour job takes up 12 hours of the day? Da fuck?
 
Your 8 hour job takes up 12 hours of the day? Da fuck?
Not that strange if you have a long commute to and from work. I live about 15 minutes on bike from my 9-5 job, but im still away from 8.15 to 6 (because i usually have to do some groceries or some other small things which i can only do after my work is done), and get up at 7 (because i function like a sloth during the morning). I know multiple people who have to travel for 45-60 minutes by car to get to their jobs, so that takes a lot of time.

Its also why i can sort of understand people saying they lack the time and energy to workout during the weekdays. If you've worked all day, get home at like 7PM, have to cook and perhaps have a gf/wife and kids, i can see why people are not really dedicated to working out.
 

AngryMoth

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God fucking dammit. Been browsing the internet dressed in running gear for over an hour now. Haven't been in over 6 months I think, I literally feel out of breath just thinking about it. First few times after a long break are always very tough. I'm probably the least fit I've ever been in my life. Last year at least I had a 30 minute walk most days but then we moved right next to a bus stop so I've been getting absolutely zero exercise. At least I've lost some weight recently. Soon...
 
God fucking dammit. Been browsing the internet dressed in running gear for over an hour now. Haven't been in over 6 months I think, I literally feel out of breath just thinking about it. First few times after a long break are always very tough. I'm probably the least fit I've ever been in my life. Last year at least I had a 30 minute walk most days but then we moved right next to a bus stop so I've been getting absolutely zero exercise. At least I've lost some weight recently. Soon...
Stop being such a baby and go outside.
 

kylej

Banned
God fucking dammit. Been browsing the internet dressed in running gear for over an hour now. Haven't been in over 6 months I think, I literally feel out of breath just thinking about it. First few times after a long break are always very tough. I'm probably the least fit I've ever been in my life. Last year at least I had a 30 minute walk most days but then we moved right next to a bus stop so I've been getting absolutely zero exercise. At least I've lost some weight recently. Soon...

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Qwerty710710

a child left behind
um you don't have a single compound lift in your routine outside of dumbbell squat, leg press, cable row, and lat pulldown, and all four of those are inferior versions of the proper lift they're based off of.

Do Starting Strength for 6 months. Eat a lot, rest a lot. That's it.



nope, you don't even need creatine or whey. I don't use any of that shit, I'd rather spend the money on my bike.

Really the only supplement I use is whey protein since it has a lot of animo acids and bcaa also if I don't have time to eat whole foods for protein. I just want to get that extra edge which is why I asked if it's worth buying additional glutamine, bcaa's and the other shit .
 
God fucking dammit. Been browsing the internet dressed in running gear for over an hour now. Haven't been in over 6 months I think, I literally feel out of breath just thinking about it. First few times after a long break are always very tough. I'm probably the least fit I've ever been in my life. Last year at least I had a 30 minute walk most days but then we moved right next to a bus stop so I've been getting absolutely zero exercise. At least I've lost some weight recently. Soon...

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agrajag

Banned
90 degrees is the minimum goal for most people. But most experienced lifters will tell you to go as low as possible. Ass to grass. It's better for your knees and the range of motion hits a wider range of muscles.

I'm afraid of not being able to get back up if I go too low though..
 

deadbeef

Member
So can anyone offer me advice on the matter of doing 5/3/1 BBB and LeanGains body recomp? Is it possible or is it just too much volume to sustain while on a small weekly deficit?

Just wondering what to do after PSMF and want to know about my options.

You'll be killing yourself doing BBB as spec'd if you're not eating well. It will Suck and your performance will suffer.

Also, why would you do a PSMF. They suck, just eat a normal healthy balanced diet
 
Thanks guys, you're making me motivated!

I had the exact same concerns when i started a few weeks ago. Just start with the empty bar and a get a feeling for it. Once you feel comfortable start adding a small amount of weights. So long as you don't start off by putting on a ton of weight you can't handle oyu will be fine.
 

despire

Member
You'll be killing yourself doing BBB as spec'd if you're not eating well. It will Suck and your performance will suffer.

Also, why would you do a PSMF. They suck, just eat a normal healthy balanced diet

My motivations for doing PSMF have been discussed a few times in the old thread. Long story short, it's the fastest way to get rid of some of the fat I got on my bulk in which I went a bit overkill. I want to get back to making gains as fast as possible instead of being on a diet for half a year and not making gains. I know PSMF is not something to toy with but I think it's the best way to go in this case.

As for the LG and 5/3/1 thingy, I'm thinking that it might not be the optimal way since Wendler off course suggests to eat like a bear. That's why I'm asking since I'm not totally sure how much calories 5/3/1 + BBB requires you to eat. With LG and eating +20%/-20% it still puts me +500 calories over maintenance on workout days. Weekly deficit being around +500 or so calories. So it's not that much of a deficit but I'm wondering if it's too much? Some folk over at Fitocracy told me it's doable.

Then off course there's always RPT to got to if nothing else works..
 
Question. I don't do deadlifts, is this really inefficient? There's only 1 deadlifting area in my gym and it's super busy so I usually just do bench presses, squats, overhead presses and prone rows.

I've only been going gym for 7 weeks now; been eating a shitload and have increased my lifts dramatically (I'm doing 5x5, started out benching 50 kgs and am now up to 77 kgs). 5'10", 25.
 

JB1981

Member
Not that strange if you have a long commute to and from work. I live about 15 minutes on bike from my 9-5 job, but im still away from 8.15 to 6 (because i usually have to do some groceries or some other small things which i can only do after my work is done), and get up at 7 (because i function like a sloth during the morning). I know multiple people who have to travel for 45-60 minutes by car to get to their jobs, so that takes a lot of time.

Its also why i can sort of understand people saying they lack the time and energy to workout during the weekdays. If you've worked all day, get home at like 7PM, have to cook and perhaps have a gf/wife and kids, i can see why people are not really dedicated to working out.

Yes it does become very hard. Best bet is to dedicate two days during the work week to working out and also go on weekends. It's a long day and it is hard but you will most likely find that you feel better going after work than if you didn't. This is how we get fat.
 

deadbeef

Member
I tend to take a much less rigorous approach than most in this thread. As I've gotten older I just don't have time for it. So I can't tell you just how much extra I ate when doing BBB - I just tried to keep the scale weight moving up. I weigh myself before every workout so I can notice trends. If my lifts are increasing and my weight isn't moving then that's great. Or if my lifts are improving and the scale goes up slowly that's good. If the scale goes up too fast or my lifts aren't improving, then I have a problem.
 
Question. I don't do deadlifts, is this really inefficient? There's only 1 deadlifting area in my gym and it's super busy so I usually just do bench presses, squats, overhead presses and prone rows.

I've only been going gym for 7 weeks now; been eating a shitload and have increased my lifts dramatically (I'm doing 5x5, started out benching 50 kgs and am now up to 77 kgs). 5'10", 25.
How are you doing squats? I've seen people use the squat racks to do deadlifts
 
What a weekend...

1) Hail damage from a storm shattered the back windshield. Straight up, destroyed it in that there is no window there. Got it repaired and the insurance covered it and they will cover the body damage to the car as well. There are small dents everywhere.

2) Somehow, lost my wallet yesterday. The nice thing is that someone called in and reported my debit/credit card as stolen. Credit card company called me and said that the police had my wallet. Went there this morning and they don't have it. In addition to that, the credit card company has no record of them calling me although they do acknowledge that someone did cancel the card.

3) Currently in the process of getting a new Drivers License. I seriously hope I do not fail this vision test... This will be an unnecessary $20 I have to pay. I hate spending money on things I don't need to spend it on.

4) Ate a lot and ate poorly but that is fine. I need the calories as my body was getting ready to quit on me. Took Friday - Monday off from the gym. Ready to go hard at it tomorrow.

5) Body looks like shit and I feel like shit but I know that after a few days, it will all be back at to normal. Good news is that the trainers say I'm at 13% body fat. I want to lower that down to 10-11% in 3 weeks. Should be possible.

Long and ranty, but just wanted to get it off my chest.
 
My motivations for doing PSMF have been discussed a few times in the old thread. Long story short, it's the fastest way to get rid of some of the fat I got on my bulk in which I went a bit overkill. I want to get back to making gains as fast as possible instead of being on a diet for half a year and not making gains. I know PSMF is not something to toy with but I think it's the best way to go in this case.

As for the LG and 5/3/1 thingy, I'm thinking that it might not be the optimal way since Wendler off course suggests to eat like a bear. That's why I'm asking since I'm not totally sure how much calories 5/3/1 + BBB requires you to eat. With LG and eating +20%/-20% it still puts me +500 calories over maintenance on workout days. Weekly deficit being around +500 or so calories. So it's not that much of a deficit but I'm wondering if it's too much? Some folk over at Fitocracy told me it's doable.

Then off course there's always RPT to got to if nothing else works..
I suck at eating so i've just started drinking chocolate milk all day erry day to see how i react to it. Well, chocolate milk with barely any sugar in it, i got one which has the same P/C/F amounts as as full fat milk so might as well get that tasty chocolate taste! I also love peanut butter way too much to not eat it straight out of the jar.

Still stuck at 170 pounds at 6'1. :(
 

Mr. Fix

Member
So I started with the beginner's routine yesterday (I'll probably sync up and do day 2 on Wednesday) and everything went well. Though this morning I woke up and I feel something strange in my lower trap area. I'm not sure if this is the "burn" or a strain. It doesn't exactly hurt, but I do feel something when my shoulder blades squeeze together. Is this normal?
 

Mr.City

Member
My motivations for doing PSMF have been discussed a few times in the old thread. Long story short, it's the fastest way to get rid of some of the fat I got on my bulk in which I went a bit overkill. I want to get back to making gains as fast as possible instead of being on a diet for half a year and not making gains. I know PSMF is not something to toy with but I think it's the best way to go in this case.

As for the LG and 5/3/1 thingy, I'm thinking that it might not be the optimal way since Wendler off course suggests to eat like a bear. That's why I'm asking since I'm not totally sure how much calories 5/3/1 + BBB requires you to eat. With LG and eating +20%/-20% it still puts me +500 calories over maintenance on workout days. Weekly deficit being around +500 or so calories. So it's not that much of a deficit but I'm wondering if it's too much? Some folk over at Fitocracy told me it's doable.

Then off course there's always RPT to got to if nothing else works..

The issue here would be everything is in such a rush. Bulk to the extreme, cut to the extreme. Got to hurry and start making gains again.

Also, trying to recomp on BBB is silly. I know Shogun did it, but he's really a whole different breed of animal. If you want to recomp or just lose weight on 5/3/1, you should probably use the conditioning template Wendler outlines.

Question. I don't do deadlifts, is this really inefficient? There's only 1 deadlifting area in my gym and it's super busy so I usually just do bench presses, squats, overhead presses and prone rows.

I've only been going gym for 7 weeks now; been eating a shitload and have increased my lifts dramatically (I'm doing 5x5, started out benching 50 kgs and am now up to 77 kgs). 5'10", 25.

Yes, very inefficient. Do them.

God fucking dammit. Been browsing the internet dressed in running gear for over an hour now. Haven't been in over 6 months I think, I literally feel out of breath just thinking about it. First few times after a long break are always very tough. I'm probably the least fit I've ever been in my life. Last year at least I had a 30 minute walk most days but then we moved right next to a bus stop so I've been getting absolutely zero exercise. At least I've lost some weight recently. Soon...

Go outside, you goober.
 

Enco

Member
So I started with the beginner's routine yesterday (I'll probably sync up and do day 2 on Wednesday) and everything went well. Though this morning I woke up and I feel something strange in my lower trap area. I'm not sure if this is the "burn" or a strain. It doesn't exactly hurt, but I do feel something when my shoulder blades squeeze together. Is this normal?

Is it sore? Either way, you'll probably be fine.
 

despire

Member
The issue here would be everything is in such a rush. Bulk to the extreme, cut to the extreme. Got to hurry and start making gains again.

Also, trying to recomp on BBB is silly. I know Shogun did it, but he's really a whole different breed of animal. If you want to recomp or just lose weight on 5/3/1, you should probably use the conditioning template Wendler outlines.


Thanks for the advice.

I acknowledge there some rushing into it. Main reason for the overkill bulk was the fact that I overestimated how fast I would be able to gain muscle and underestimated how fast I would get fat. Also I listened too much for Rips advice for 4000-6000 calories a day :p

Now I know better. I'm not sure why it's a bad thing that I want to get back to making gains as quickly as possible? Of course it makes me to get on a rather extreme diet but I'm not big enough yet to be comfortable being on a diet for six months. I want to make gains but I also don't want to look like a hippo while doing it. That's why my plan is to get down to tolerable BF% levels and then take it slow and steady.

And the LG + 5/3/1 was one possibility I wanted to consider. That's why I'm asking for advice.


Edit:

Okay, I re-read the Wendler's take on diet and it makes sense. When in doubt, go back to the basics I guess.

I think I'll take this diet for as far as I feel it should take me and then start making gains again. Meaning 5/3/1 + BBB and eating clean(er). More protein and such. Running also, at least 3 times a week. Shouldn't make it too complicated..
 

Mr.City

Member
Boy, I hope I don't get banned because that bodybuilding thread, lest everyone here become too jacked and not be able to wipe anymore.
 
As I have said in the past my gym is more of a fitness gym and ive been feeling lately I need to upgrade.

I went to a gym called absalute and I dont know if I need to man the fuck up, but i didnt like it much.

It was slightly bigger than my gym but it felt totally cramped. Theres tons of stuff everywhere. The place didnt feel greatly organized.

Whenever I have seen videos on youtube of zyzz or twm their gyms have tons of room.
 
It's a matter of preference. The issue here that everyone's pretending there are no alternatives. The response I've always been getting in this thread is that if I don't want to do squats or deadlifts or bench presses, I shouldn't work out at all. I'm trying to find workouts that would be a little more enjoyable. And by that I don't mean superfun and requiring no effort at all, which is how you seem to interpret it.

It's like telling someone who wants to improve his condition but doesn't want to jog to fuck off, because there are no alternatives apparently.

It's not even like I'm avoiding every existing workout. I've got these so far:

bicep curls
push-ups
Dumbbell One-Arm Shoulder Press
Hug Knees To Chest
Superman

Yet I'm being called a weak little bitch for trying to find something I could stick with.
Dont let others discourage you. If you feel comfortable with your routine, I say go for it. One suggestion I have is to create a routine based on major muscle groups like chest, shoulders, back/core, and legs. Then plug in exercises you want to do for those parts. Nothing wrong with what you are doing, just a different path fm most of the people on this thread. I actually had a similar routine when I was going through boot and A school.

Also, hiya gaffers! Been awhile since I last posted. Last time I was here I was prepping for boot camp. That was over a year ago and now Im getting ready for deployment. My goals change now as well, as Im doing more of the bodybuilder routine with a rep range of 8-12 and concentrating more on certain bodyparts. Id like to get back to strength training, but with our limited gym equipment aboard the ship, doing compounds like the squat, dl, and press is just not viable. Also, with only getting around 5-6 hours of sleep a day as well as eating only a certain amount of food a day, my body cant recover fast enough after doing those types of lifs. lol
 

Qwerty710710

a child left behind
I've been going to the gym lately I'm not a fan of doing all upper body,lower body,and total body workouts. I do it in a spilt.

Sunday:Chest/Triceps
Monday: Back/biceps
Tuesday: I run I've been starting incorporating HIIT more it's really kicks my ass
Wednesday off
Thursday:Shoulders
Friday: Legs.
Saturday: HIIT

My goal is to gain muscle and try to lower my body fat. I know its hard to do but we'll see.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Accidentally did 10+ on my last set of squats today (360 instead of 350 for 5). I knew it felt heavier than it should have been. Still did it, but it almost got me. Running/cardio in general definitely has effected my squat, but it's good to be getting back into "shape."

Also, a group of jackoffs were benchpressing in the squat rack. Then didn't unrack their weights when they finished. Sometimes people piss me off something fierce.

Boy, I hope I don't get banned because that bodybuilding thread, lest everyone here become too jacked and not be able to wipe anymore.

I had to post one more thought in there. I wish the general public was more knowledgeable about lifting, but I also know the general public isn't knowledgeable about much period.

At least some of them try.
 

IceCold

Member
I have a question for you guys doing goind through a cutting phase. Are you doing the same work out as when you were bulking while doing cardio + eating less or is your workout different as well?
 
Not much in comparison, but I accidentally did the same thing to bring up my Deadlifts to 195 today. It was hard. I was sweating like a mofo. I did it, and I feel like such a beast, I want to eat everything.

Accidentally did 10+ on my last set of squats today (360 instead of 350 for 5). I knew it felt heavier than it should have been. Still did it, but it almost got me.
 

Trey

Member
Kind of at a crossroads here, guys. I want to transition from SS to more of a higher rep, fast twitch muscle fiber building program (for running track); the sooner the better. Thing is I haven't reached my weight gain goal yet, and I'm not quite sure how my current diet will be impacted by the new program.

Any thoughts?
 
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ZombieFred

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Say guys, what's the best techniques to tone the hip/core ab area so I can have my sides more toned up than a little loose? It's the only part of my body that's not "toned" compared to the rest from all the work out techniques I do for the others. Much appreciate in advance!
 
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