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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Man

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You started at 154lbs for squats? I could barely do more than 105lbs properly(ish). :(
I did some squats early this year using an assisted machine so it wasn't the first time squatting ever but I have done more of this exercise (intentionally) these last six weeks than probably my lifetime before it...
 

Geezer

Broken water pistol loaded with piss
Out of interest, why are 3 sets of 5 preferred to say 5 sets of 5 (like Stronglifts) in the program outlined in the OP?
 

despire

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Out of interest, why are 3 sets of 5 preferred to say 5 sets of 5 (like Stronglifts) in the program outlined in the OP?

Because 3x5 is enough and 5x5 is too much volume for most people when they get out of the "baby weights". Even SL says to drop the sets/reps to 3x5 after your first deload.

The Stronglifts guy isn't even an authority on the matter since the routine is basically just ripped of from others.
 
Just booked myself a DEXA scan (info) for next Thursday. $159 but I will get a complete breakdown with 1+/-% accuracy (the same test many professional athletes go through). Will get a diagram showing what fat percentage I have over different weights and a full breakdown per limb etc.

Today was my target date for main summer cut and I'm 148.7lbs (target was 149.6lbs / 68KG).
6 weeks ago I was 158.2lbs (71.9KG). I'm 5'5" (165CM).

During those six weeks I have been faithfully following the Beginner Full Body routine in the OP (for the first time) while on a cutting diet (1750kcal per day, 140+ grams of protein). Strength improvements include:
Squats: 3x5 @ 154lbs --> 192.5lbs (87.5KG)
Bench: 3x5 @ 159.5lbs --> 181.5lbs (82.5KG)
Pull-ups: 8-6-4 --> 12-8-7
Deadlift: 1x5 @ 154lbs --> 253lbs (115KG)
Overhead press: 3x5 @ 88lbs --> 110lbs (50KG)
Powercleans: 5 x 3: 110lbs --> 132lbs (60KG)

I have been stagnating a lot (completely in bench & squat) these last two weeks so with my main cutting goal reached I'm increasing my kcals again. Will upload some photos later when I get around to taking some.

Those are some ridiculous numbers and increases for someone on a cut and just starting working out.
 

JB1981

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Out of interest, why are 3 sets of 5 preferred to say 5 sets of 5 (like Stronglifts) in the program outlined in the OP?

All about stress vs. adapation and what is optimal for novice lifters. Rippetoe lays out the specific reasons for this type of programming in his book.
 

JB1981

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Just booked myself a DEXA scan (info) for next Thursday. $159 but I will get a complete breakdown with 1+/-% accuracy (the same test many professional athletes go through). Will get a diagram showing what fat percentage I have over different weights and a full breakdown per limb etc.

Today was my target date for main summer cut and I'm 148.7lbs (target was 149.6lbs / 68KG).
6 weeks ago I was 158.2lbs (71.9KG). I'm 5'5" (165CM).

During those six weeks I have been faithfully following the Beginner Full Body routine in the OP (for the first time) while on a cutting diet (1750kcal per day, 140+ grams of protein). Strength improvements include:
Squats: 3x5 @ 154lbs --> 192.5lbs (87.5KG)
Bench: 3x5 @ 159.5lbs --> 181.5lbs (82.5KG)
Pull-ups: 8-6-4 --> 12-8-7
Deadlift: 1x5 @ 154lbs --> 253lbs (115KG)
Overhead press: 3x5 @ 88lbs --> 110lbs (50KG)
Powercleans: 5 x 3: 110lbs --> 132lbs (60KG)

I have been stagnating a lot (completely in bench & squat) these last two weeks so with my main cutting goal reached I'm increasing my kcals again. Will upload some photos later when I get around to taking some.

If you are stagnating at 192 lbs on the squat, then you need to really start eating more.
 

bro1

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I'm back! I had my week off and now I'm back. 5K run today and a swim. Tomorrow I'm back to running. Hopefully my rotator cuff holds up. Going to be using lighter weights and shooting for 10-12 reps instead of 3-8 as I used to do.
 

Man

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If you are stagnating at 192 lbs on the squat, then you need to really start eating more.
Yeah. It has become quite obvious my body is running out of fumes lately. I had enough stored to make super progress the first four weeks but then it started tapering out.

Ate 3000kcals today (though partly as a reward). Will stay at 2000-2500 for a couple of weeks (up from 1750) and see where that takes me.
 

Keen

Aliens ate my babysitter
Guys since this is fitness thread, I posted here several weeks ago.


I need help cooking chicken breast. I have tried roasting it - comes out like brick
I just bought a crock pot, I made it with vegetable broth and it was tasteless.
I put tandoori chicken and the juices escaped and I have 2 pieces of brick after 4 hours on high


I am thinking of cooking it, marinating with Tandoori masala and then putting it in foil paper and then putting it in crock port for 6 hours on low.

Please advise.


Why would you cook a chicken breast for that long? 6 hours, even on low, will make it dry as all hell.  It's a cut with a low fat content that needs to be cooked pretty quickly. Just a sear and throw it in the oven at a pretty low temp for 10-15 minutes. Or cook it with butter in a frying pan on a medium high heat and baste it with the butter in the pan regularly until done. Maybe 10 minutes. That way it'll stay juicy. 

6 hours in a crock pot would be for meats with a lot of collagen and fat, that need to cook for a long time to be tender. Like beef chuck, pork shoulder, leg joints, etc. 




And after 2 weeks of having a cold I was back in the gym today. Feels good. 
 

CrankyJay

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Any recommendations on a good flat bottomed training shoe for squats that aren't chuck taylors? I have a pair but I'm looking for something a little more well rounded for other training, plus I just broke my lace. =(

Looking for price range of $60-90
 

mrbagdt

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Any recommendations on a good flat bottomed training shoe for squats that aren't chuck taylors? I have a pair but I'm looking for something a little more well rounded for other training, plus I just broke my lace. =(

Looking for price range of $60-90

i like this brand. im sure there are other that are more specific to only weightlifting tho.
 
Any recommendations on a good flat bottomed training shoe for squats that aren't chuck taylors? I have a pair but I'm looking for something a little more well rounded for other training, plus I just broke my lace. =(

Looking for price range of $60-90
I've just received these a couple of days ago: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003BEEQIO/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I prefer squats/deadlifts barefooted but my gym won't allow it so these came in handy.

Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-KHIFeE4Xg
 

CrankyJay

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i like this brand. im sure there are other that are more specific to only weightlifting tho.

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Look hot...just want to make sure there's not too much heel.
 
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_boring_but_big_3month_challenge

I know someone posted it here and I have done so as well. I think I'm going to do this after I finish my current cycle of 5/3/1 (which would be next week). To be honest, while I'm still getting great strength gains with regular 5/3/1, I wouldn't mind trying something different. Do this for 3 months, Smolov Jr. in January, Feb and March will be 2 more 5/3/1 cycles before starting a cut from April-June. Chill and maintain in July and August =D
 

mrbagdt

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Look hot...just want to make sure there's not too much heel.

when i first started doing lifting exercises, i had those reebok zig shoes. it was problematic obviously and i had a really hard time ever staying down in my heels. those shoes are flat and very light. if there is anything in the heel, i dont notice it. they are somewhat expensive as most 'fashionable' shoes tend to be, and there might be a good reebok or newbalance alternative, but those have held up really well for me and i have been using them 3-4 times a week for workouts since february. id recommend getting one in a ridiculous color so youll stand out!

the only drawback, of course, is that you probably dont have a local store that carries the brand so you can try them on, but zappos allows free returns so its not something to stress over to much.
 

JB1981

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Any recommendations on a good flat bottomed training shoe for squats that aren't chuck taylors? I have a pair but I'm looking for something a little more well rounded for other training, plus I just broke my lace. =(

Looking for price range of $60-90

Any particular reason you're not asking for actual weightlifting shoes ?
 

genjiZERO

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So I've been lifting regularly now since mid-July. Prior to that I had not been a regular lifter for about three years, but I always ran regularly (which i still do). My question is this: my goal is to drop % body fat. When I checked a couple of weeks ago I was at 18%. I'd like to go down to 10%. For those of you with a similar goal and achieved it about how long did it take you and what were your most successful strategies? Do you think it would be better to focus on running or lifting? Right now I'm balancing the two. Thanks.
 

mrbagdt

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I'll take a look...I don't mind the $120 if they will last a few years. I'd consider it an investment. I'm curious about the heel height tho...I thought heels for squatting was generally a no-no as they tend to shift the weight to the front of your feet.

i think the height you see of the heel in that photo could be deceptive- it might be raised on the edges of the shoe for more support? JB might know better.
 

despire

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I'll take a look...I don't mind the $120 if they will last a few years. I'd consider it an investment. I'm curious about the heel height tho...I thought heels for squatting was generally a no-no as they tend to shift the weight to the front of your feet.

Heels of the weightlifting shoes are very hard and sturdy and good for squats. It's the heels of regular (running) shoes you want to avoid because they are soft and squishy.

I got Adidas ones that have a heel like that and they are awesome.

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TheExodu5

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So, I'm wondering if I should go with the Rogue Bar or the B&R bar. The B&R bar is supposed to have better knurling and better steel, but since it's uncoated it requires some additional maintenance. I've also seen reports by one guy having gotten 2 B&R bars that weren't perfectly straight.

Thoughts?
 

MjFrancis

Member
Could you link to the B&R bar and the posts that state that the bars weren't straight?

I'm in the market for a good bar and information like this is pertinent.

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Also, on top of a good weekend of weightlifting and other festivities, I bought a weight bench for $125 and flipped it for $205 within a week. I need to do this more often.
 

JB1981

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I'll take a look...I don't mind the $120 if they will last a few years. I'd consider it an investment. I'm curious about the heel height tho...I thought heels for squatting was generally a no-no as they tend to shift the weight to the front of your feet.

A high heel can pose problems but I believe most weightlifting shoes do have a raised heel. I have not had a problem sitting back into these shoes, though. They feel very good. Only problem is I just started Crossfit and I can't really use them for WODs so that kind of sucks
 
Started doing deadlifts, feels like a really good exercise. I think I understand why people refer to it as such a core lift. Just got to work on my technique a little, my thigh was super tender after the first time I did it.
 

Complex Shadow

Cudi Lame™
is there anyway to improve your lungs. whenever i run, i always cap out in 30 mins walking, and 15 mins running. i just can't push past the pain in my chest.
 
No expert but I think lung capacity is something that gradually improves with training. You might have reached your capacity, assuming you're taking as deep breathes as possible. Maybe stretching before your run, how is your posture?
 

JB1981

Member
Man this video just shows you the stark contrast between a proper weightlifting snatch and the kind of high-rep, shitty form snatches you see from "seasoned" crossfitters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=f-41-OjJMXE

Of course the Crossfitter pumps out more "snatches" but I don't think any of them were done with good form (maybe a handful). Watch how the weightlifter (red shirt) takes his time, resets, sets his back and completes out the movement with each rep. This video is a wonderful demonstration of how high-rep skill work has little place in a timed WOD.

And another -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0A3F3e5Qgc
 

Noema

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Anyone else doing an intermediate Texas Method-style program, with Volume on Monday, Light day on Wednesday and a Heavy Day on Friday?

How are you programming Deadlifts?

Started doing deadlifts, feels like a really good exercise. I think I understand why people refer to it as such a core lift. Just got to work on my technique a little, my thigh was super tender after the first time I did it.

I like calling them Deathlifts to make them even more badass.
 

blackflag

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I'd be really worried about his form.

I wouldn't be, it's not hard to progress like that in a deficit while starting out. I started lifting when I started losing weight. Been eating at 800-1k deficit since Sept. 2011.

Down 90 lbs.

I can now deadlift almost 500, bench 300, Squat 325 :(, and ohp 180.

Not crazy numbers like some in this thread but my deficit is pretty big.
 
OHP is probably going to progress slower than everything else anyway. That's how it is for me, and I think most people.

Yup. Reset press this cycle, all other lifts are going strong.

Speaking of...attempting 405x5 on squat today. Likely won't hit all reps (only "need" to get 1), but gonna try my hardest.
 

blackflag

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Yup. Reset press this cycle, all other lifts are going strong.

Speaking of...attempting 405x5 on squat today. Likely won't hit all reps (only "need" to get 1), but gonna try my hardest.

When will it be my turn for a 400lb squat? arghhh. It is my worst lift. My form is fine I think. Just not sure why I can't do more.
 
What's the science behind a reset? I know it works for plateaus, but I don't understand why.

At a very basic level, you're allowing your body more capacity to rest and recover. If you aren't progressing, you're "at capacity" in terms of your strength. When you back down, you're working under your maximums, but still using "work weight", allowing you to make progress without hitting your wall.

Quite literally, it's one step back, two steps forward.

Exactly :(

My legs aren't small either.

I think it may be core related. I'm working on that. Not sure though.

Do you wear a belt?
 
Well, didn't get 405x5, but I did get 405x3 (3.5, if we're splitting hairs).

Squats
45x5
170x5
215x5
255x3
320x5
365x3
405x3

Failed on 4th rep--some friends helped identify some issues that I'll work on, as they said the prior reps looked very strong and they thought I was gonna hit 5 reps easy. Could also be conditioning, as I've never attempted 405 before. Considering that I was supposed to get 1 rep at a minimum, I'm happy!

Would have had vid but my phone ran out of storage :mad:

I do for anything over 225.

My upper body has always been much stronger naturally but I've been squatting for a year now.

Damn, weird. You should post a vid of some of your work sets.
 

deadbeef

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Well, didn't get 405x5, but I did get 405x3 (3.5, if we're splitting hairs).

Squats
45x5
170x5
215x5
255x3
320x5
365x3
405x3

Failed on 4th rep--some friends helped identify some issues that I'll work on, as they said the prior reps looked very strong and they thought I was gonna hit 5 reps easy. Could also be conditioning, as I've never attempted 405 before. Considering that I was supposed to get 1 rep at a minimum, I'm happy!

Would have had vid but my phone ran out of storage :mad:



Damn, weird. You should post a vid of some of your work sets.

Why the sudden jump in 65 pounds to 320 and 5 reps instead of 3?
 
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