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[Etrian Oddity]

Of course it won't work for everyone. Nothing out there really does, the human body is far too complex for there to be a cure-all method for nutrition.

However, I was more addressing the attacks on IF, and that it will negatively affect one's health. Not it's relative effectiveness.

Out of curiosity (I'm not doubting your anecdote or conviction), which IF protocol did you try, how closely/strictly did you follow, and for how long/

I used the Leangains method, granted it was only an experimental phase for 30 days. 16/8; logged calories in MyFitnessPal; big meals, etc.

IF definitely curbs your appetite, because I could wake up for school at 8am and still not feel a pang of hunger by the time 6 o'clock rolled around. After an initial loss due to the change in food intake frequency, I saw little to no progress visibly or on the scale, however. Compared to equal caloric intake on a spread-out meal plan, it was a flop for me.

I basically have to make myself go hungry to lose weight. The worst is at night when you're home. It sucks, but then again, it lets me know I'm doing things right. X(

 

[CrankyJay]

Failed hard on my 130lb OHP attempt. Hehe.

Will try again next week.

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP):
95 lb x 5 reps (+69 pts)
115 lb x 4 reps (+72 pts)
125 lb x 3 reps (+68 pts)

 

[TheDarkStark]

OHP is such and awkward motion for me, I can't do OHP for shit. Now dumbell shoulder press on the other hand... I can crush out 10 reps with 65lb DB's with ease.

 

[CrankyJay]

OHP is such and awkward motion for me, I can't do OHP for shit. Now dumbell shoulder press on the other hand... I can crush out 10 reps with 65lb DB's with ease.

The initial rep is always hardest for me.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Failed hard on my 130lb OHP attempt. Hehe.

Will try again next week.

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP):
95 lb x 5 reps (+69 pts)
115 lb x 4 reps (+72 pts)
125 lb x 3 reps (+68 pts)

Man, idk how you guys do it but I need VOLUME to see and feel any growth on my shoulders..

Last night, for example, I did

80x10
100x10
80x10

And even then I barely even feel sore.

 

[bro1]

This is going against everything I have ever posted before but dropping squats and deadlifts is the best thing I've ever done.

My running is better than ever, my bike and swim have increased as well. But the best benefit is that I look better. I'm more cut and my clothes fit great. Now that I've stopped squatting and deadlifts my pants fit much better and I can start to fit into regular jeans.

It's been Back/Bi and Shourlders/Chest/Tris twice a week and the rest is just cardio. Feels good!

 

[JB1981]

This is going against everything I have ever posted before but dropping squats and deadlifts is the best thing I've ever done.

My running is better than ever, my bike and swim have increased as well. But the best benefit is that I look better. I'm more cut and my clothes fit great. Now that I've stopped squatting and deadlifts my pants fit much better and I can start to fit into regular jeans.

It's been Back/Bi and Shourlders/Chest/Tris twice a week and the rest is just cardio. Feels good!

What lifts are you doing for those body parts? Didn't you used to do Crossfit as well ?

 

[TheDarkStark]

This is going against everything I have ever posted before but dropping squats and deadlifts is the best thing I've ever done.

My running is better than ever, my bike and swim have increased as well. But the best benefit is that I look better. I'm more cut and my clothes fit great. Now that I've stopped squatting and deadlifts my pants fit much better and I can start to fit into regular jeans.

It's been Back/Bi and Shourlders/Chest/Tris twice a week and the rest is just cardio. Feels good!

How long have you stopped for? Seems like you're getting the short term benefits of quitting which is that your body is fully recovered and getting more rest, in addition to being stronger than ever.

Once you inevitably start to lose the strength you've built up, you'll start seeing the negative effects. That's why I have so much admiration for pro athletes, they have to delicately balance their strength and conditioning training in-season to avoid being burnt out and injured.

 

[bro1]

How long have you stopped for? Seems like you're getting the short term benefits of quitting which is that your body is fully recovered and getting more rest, in addition to being stronger than ever.

Once you inevitably start to lose the strength you've built up, you'll start seeing the negative effects.

two months now. Squats and deads are great lifts, but they aren't for everyone. Most of the guys I compete with on the triathlons do very little strength work.

The biking, swimming, and runs take a huge toll on my legs and this is working great. I've cut 3 minutes off my 5K.

I focus on OHP, Dips, and Chins for the upper body. Can't do bench as it agitates my rotator cuff.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

two months now. Squats and deads are great lifts, but they aren't for everyone. Most of the guys I compete with on the triathlons do very little strength work.

The biking, swimming, and runs take a huge toll on my legs and this is working great. I've cut 3 minutes off my 5K.

I focus on OHP, Dips, and Chins for the upper body. Can't do bench as it agitates my rotator cuff.

Yeah, man, it's all dependent on what you do. Look at swimmers. They have tiny legs compared to their upper bodies. It all depends on what you want and what your goals are.

 

[Noema]

The initial rep is always hardest for me.

Same here. Probably because the first rep starts from the bottom, off the rack, but there's a rebound produced the excentric part of the movement in the following reps. I guess the press is unique in the sense. The other lifts either start the concentric after the excentric on every rep or have no excentric component at all (like the deadlift).

It'd be like doing the first rep of a set of squats or bench presses from the bottom of the movement. It would be harder than the following reps which begin with the excentric part of the movement thus providing the bounce from the stretch reflex.

Yeah, man, it's all dependent on what you do. Look at swimmers. They have tiny legs compared to their upper bodies. It all depends on what you want and what your goals are.

It wouldn't surprise me if heavy squats / deadlifts were actually detrimental to the performance of Long Slow distance runners.

 

[FallingEdge]

Speaking of squats/deadlifts, 3+ week for deads followed by BBB squats. Did some shrugs and calf raises as assistance and I am sore as fuck. I usually have a day off after deads or squats, but this week has been fucked up so today is bench day followed with BBB rows and OHP. Not looking forward to that.

The good news is that earlier this week, repped out 6 on OHP @ 165. It is fantastic because last year, I maxed out at 150/155. Love it.

 

[Petrie]

Man, idk how you guys do it but I need VOLUME to see and feel any growth on my shoulders..

Last night, for example, I did

80x10
100x10
80x10

And even then I barely even feel sore.

That's because you don't "feel" growth, and soreness is not indicative of a good workout, or progress. Once you get past that sort of broscience, then you can really start to see huge gains.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Same here. Probably because the first rep starts from the bottom, off the rack, but there's a rebound produced the excentric part of the movement in the following reps. I guess the press is unique in the sense. The other lifts either start the concentric after the excentric on every rep or have no excentric component at all (like the deadlift).

It'd be like doing the first rep of a set of squats or bench presses from the bottom of the movement. It would be harder than the following reps which begin with the excentric part of the movement thus providing the bounce from the stretch reflex.



It wouldn't surprise me if heavy squats / deadlifts were actually detrimental to the performance of Long Slow distance runners.

More than likely true, especially if you look at the bodies of successful long distance runners (concentration camp survivors).

Squats DO improve short distance running performance though, especially sprints.

 

[Veezy]

More than likely true, especially if you look at the bodies of successful long distance runners (concentration camp survivors).

Squats DO improve short distance running performance though, especially sprints.

Squats are good even for long distance... except for the whole "your shit gonna be small no matter what so don't go crazy on the day you're running 15k and try to fit protein in along with the 10000 calories worth of carbs you're eating" part.

Watching my friend make his sugar water crack drink for his morning 30 mile bike ride is mesmerising.

 

[Noema]

I guess there's a significant trade off in the explosiveness resulting from a higher power output, which also results in increased lean body mass and thus body weight, to the point where said explosiveness is completely worthless to certain athletes in the endurance / long distance end of the continuum but vital to the high speed / short distance end of the continuum.

 

[Veezy]

I guess there's a significant trade off in the explosiveness resulting from a higher power output, which also results in increased lean body mass and thus body weight, to the point where said explosiveness is completely worthless to certain athletes in the endurance / long distance end of the continuum but vital to the high speed / short distance end of the continuum.

Indeed.

What you'll find is that some, some, strength training for the long distance athlete helps, being useful in your initial and last pushes of whatever race your in. However, you also need to put miles on your legs, which is counter intuitive to building explosive power or sheer strength, due to the type of muscle fibers that are better suited for each task.

You'd never want to sacrifice one for the other if you're sport specific and are training for an event. However, for the recreational athlete, mixing in a bit of one with the other doesn't hurt.

 

[bro1]

Squats are good even for long distance... except for the whole "your shit gonna be small no matter what so don't go crazy on the day you're running 15k and try to fit protein in along with the 10000 calories worth of carbs you're eating" part.

Watching my friend make his sugar water crack drink for his morning 30 mile bike ride is mesmerising.

The problem with squats and deads is that they are very hard on CNS and take awhile to recover. Plus, I'm 36, so I don't recover nearly as fast as I used to. I have to run 4 days a week, bike 3, and swim 2 plus I do brick workouts on the weekend. It was too much. something had to give.

 

[Ravidrath]

So I wore my shoes down, and decided to pick up those Rogue Fitness weightlifting shoes that someone recommended on here.

Today was my first leg day using them, and they helped a ton with my overall stability. I'm flat-footed so my squats have always been a bit wobbly, and the new shoes helped a ton.

Thanks for the rec, FitnessGAF!

 

[Veezy]

The problem with squats and deads is that they are very hard on CNS and take awhile to recover. Plus, I'm 36, so I don't recover nearly as fast as I used to. I have to run 4 days a week, bike 3, and swim 2 plus I do brick workouts on the weekend. It was too much. something had to give.

Oh, no, absolutely. Yeah, they'll give you hell. I was just saying the can help, but it's incredibly difficult to program.

 

[Quikies83]

What do some of you use for pre-workout supplements?
I've used No Xplode and recently Jack3d (original formula was pretty good but new one - meh). I'm thinking about swinging by GNC and grabbing some Muscle Pharm Assault after work and giving it a shot.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I have a high stimulant tolerance for whatever reason. Jack3d with 1-3 dma didn't really do jack shit for me. I've taken as much as 3 scoops with little if any effect. I stick with caffeine and fish oil.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

What do some of you use for pre-workout supplements?
I've used No Xplode and recently Jack3d (original formula was pretty good but new one - meh). I'm thinking about swinging by GNC and grabbing some Muscle Pharm Assault after work and giving it a shot.

C4 worked for me. Currently using old Jack3d. It's okay.

 

[Quikies83]

I have a high stimulant tolerance for whatever reason. Jack3d with 1-3 dma didn't really do jack shit for me. I've taken as much as 3 scoops with little if any effect. I stick with caffeine and fish oil.

Woah... 2 scoops gives me crazy shakes.

C4 worked for me. Currently using old Jack3d. It's okay.

Good mental and physical focus? Pumps?

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

OT

Just got contacted by the FBOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons) for a job interview. I'll know more on Monday, but that just made my day! Hopefully they like the big bald burly type.

 

[chrisisawesome]

OT

Just got contacted by the FBOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons) for a job interview. I'll know more on Monday, but that just made my day! Hopefully they like the big bald burly type.

I think so

haha!

 

[FallingEdge]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey sexy alien

 

[Bearded Dudebro]

I have a high stimulant tolerance for whatever reason. Jack3d with 1-3 dma didn't really do jack shit for me. I've taken as much as 3 scoops with little if any effect. I stick with caffeine and fish oil.

I apparently have the same high stim tolerance. Jack3d, I tried 4 scoops a couple of times with no effect. 2 scoops of Craze is perfect for me, though the effect really drops off after a couple of weeks. I have to cycle off then back on it.

 

[Veezy]

I've used Craze in the past and it worked well, but honestly I found that a zero sugar energy drink before working out if I was tired had, generally, the same affect on me and didn't' cost as much and wouldn't keep me awake at night.

 

[Noema]

I just drink chocolate milk while resting between sets.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I think so

haha!

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey sexy alien

You guys are silly.

 

[abuC]

OT

Just got contacted by the FBOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons) for a job interview. I'll know more on Monday, but that just made my day! Hopefully they like the big bald burly type.

This will open the door to you becoming a successful rapper -

Alien Shozzzzzaaayyyyyy

 

[kylej]

congrats on interview.

excellent workout today. saw this while eating dinner and thought it was pretty funny

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

On topic didn't do much today since wife wanted some "date" time. So I did some front squats, carries and pendlays. I think I'm gonna bump up to 110lb DB farmer walks. I did 95lb today for 6 trips of about 50 feet and it didn't seem to challenge me enough.

This will open the door to you becoming a successful rapper -

Alien Shozzzzzaaayyyyyy

Yeaaaah, remember that movie Malibu's most wanted?

congrats on interview.

excellent workout today. saw this while eating dinner and thought it was pretty funny

That's hilarious.

Thanks buddy, if this pans out it's going to be fucking awesome. I'll be in federal law enforcement and get all the perks that come with it. Not counting these chickens before they are hatched though.

 

[CrankyJay]

OT

Just got contacted by the FBOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons) for a job interview. I'll know more on Monday, but that just made my day! Hopefully they like the big bald burly type.

Oh lawwwwwwwwdy

 

[Mully]

Just got called big guy by the resident big guy at my gym. Damn that feels good. He said I gotta work on my shoulders though.

Congrats Shogun!!!

 

[MrToughPants]

Took some shitty pics, all of them ended up blurry except one...my posing skills are as awesome as my camera skills.

195lbs 100% bf

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

The shadow made me lol.

 

[Mully]

The shadow says "One day....."

 

[kylej]

traps up to your eyeballs

 

[Mully]

It looks like Schumacher Bane.

 

[Reiko]

The Hulk appears in his shadow.

 

[Petrie]

My back will never look like that.

I quit.

 

[Reiko]

My back will never look like that.

I quit.

Never give up.

 

[MrToughPants]

The shadow made me lol.

LOL

My back will never look like that.

I quit.

What do you mean?

I feel embarrassed putting up a back shot.

 

[rando14]

I lold @ "100% bf"

 

[Petrie]

LOL



What do you mean?

I feel embarrassed putting up a back shot.

Your back is huge, and maybe its just genes, but the V shape is huge and awesome. Just broad and strong looking.

 

[MrToughPants]

Your back is huge, and maybe its just genes, but the V shape is huge and awesome. Just broad and strong looking.

Maybe I'm overly critical of myself but I just don't see it. I think it's attainable by anyone.

 

[Petrie]

Maybe I'm overly critical of myself but I just don't see it. I think it's attainable by anyone.

I don't think genetically my back could ever get that wide. It can certainly get big, but never like that. It's incredibly impressive.

 

[Eidan]

Took some shitty pics, all of them ended up blurry except one...my posing skills are as awesome as my camera skills.

195lbs 100% bf

One day, I too will have the power and the glory.