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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Chittagong

Gold Member
How old are you?

You mentioned you have no real experience with the big lifts so as a novice you can expect to see some good gains for the first 3 or 4 months before stalling, but progress will depend on factors like age, diet (and trying to lose fat while adding weight to the bar usually complicates things a bit), rest, mobility, anthropometry, coaching and motivation.

I'm 32. Did deadlift yesterday, managed to do a clean 3 with 209lbs, think I could have managed more so almost bodyweight. Doing bench today for the first time for real, gave it a go during the weekend alone and managed a clean 5 with 154lbs, but didn't push it because I did't have a spotter. Also, damn these slippery sweaty hands when deadlifting.

Thanks for the link snoopen, that's great!
 

Szu

Member
I don't think I've ever posted a progress pic. I got a new phone, I decided to play around with the camera.

I'm starting to look a little better. I wasn't about to train with my regular schedule for about a month because of my recent marriage. Now that things are settling down, I feel like I'm back on track.

uRk3r.jpg


PgB1G.jpg
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
IF is definitely cutting fat for me, but my strength has stagnated or dropped a bit. I just maxed out bench at 370 when I should be at at least 385-390.

I think once I get a little bit more lean IF is going away for me.

Of course, this could be the result of stress from trying to get employed as well.
 
MjFrancis has two folk in the acquiring mass club. My son's gained over four pounds in just four weeks of existence, and I've shot up to 182lbs in the morning (started at 167lbs beginning Sept). Still have abs, so I'm doing something right. I feel much better than the last time I viciously bulked almost two years ago.

So, looking good FallingEdge. I may not be acquiring mass at your level but everything is on track over here.

Looking good FallingEdge

Thanks guys. And glad to hear the kid is doing well. I'm hovering around 230 more constantly but still feel randomly bloated at times. Prolly has to do with all the crap I'm eating. There are days where I honestly just crave some plain, boiled chicken. A bit of seasoning but that is it. I am putting on a bit of fat but whatever. I will lose it later. Still hitting new PRs so that feels great.

IF is definitely cutting fat for me, but my strength has stagnated or dropped a bit. I just maxed out bench at 370 when I should be at at least 385-390.

I think once I get a little bit more lean IF is going away for me.

Of course, this could be the result of stress from trying to get employed as well.

Such is life, friendo

I don't think I've ever posted a progress pic. I got a new phone, I decided to play around with the camera.

I'm starting to look a little better. I wasn't about to train with my regular schedule for about a month because of my recent marriage. Now that things are settling down, I feel like I'm back on track.

[.IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uRk3r.jpg[/IMG]

[.IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PgB1G.jpg[/IMG]

And you, you already know my thoughts.

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2nd month of BBB 3 month challenge and damn. The 5/3/1 part is easy. It is the accessory exercises now that are killing me. Doesn't help that the BBB weight is going up due to the new calculated 1RM/working max. But we aren't at 50% or working max. It is 60%. Next month is 70%.

Squats/deads today. I am scared

Estimated 1RM. I feel I can get more than one on each of these. For my 1+ week, I am still hitting at least 5 reps.

OHP - 195 lbs
Bench - 275 lbs
Squat - 375 lbs
Deads - 395
 

Noema

Member
I'm 32. Did deadlift yesterday, managed to do a clean 3 with 209lbs, think I could have managed more so almost bodyweight. Doing bench today for the first time for real, gave it a go during the weekend alone and managed a clean 5 with 154lbs, but didn't push it because I did't have a spotter. Also, damn these slippery sweaty hands when deadlifting.

Thanks for the link snoopen, that's great!

That's pretty good!

Also, use chalk for sweaty palms. :)
 

Eidan

Member
Felt like my chest was lagging, so I decided to switch back to BBB on it and all other days except deadlift. It was...intense. Didn't remember it being so difficult all those months ago.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I'm trying to combine an advanced calisthenics and basic barbell strength training routine, preferably with a cardio day for 5 days/week.

Anyone here care to help me out? For me, the two most important barbell workouts (that I've neglected for a long time due to zero gym access) are squats and deadlifts. Considering my level of fitness, I feel like I could do both at least twice a week with everything else. However, I don't want to sacrifice the more advanced calisthenics workouts, so I'm trying to develop a program that combines both effectively for a diverse workout.

Here are the exercises I "generally" do (I'd like to narrow them down to a specific routine, however):

Squats
Deadlifts
Dumbbell press
Cable crossovers
Pull-ups
Chin-ups
V-sits
L-sits
Handstands (with push-ups)
Dips
Push-ups
Single-leg squats
Various ab workouts
Muscle-ups
Planche
Seated row


At the moment I'm unable to bench press due to a shoulder injury, so for now I'll stick to the dumbbell press.

I know it's a very general and vague question, but I figured some of the more experienced lifters here might enjoy coming up with a program, introducing me to other barbell and dumbbell workouts that I usually avoid (mostly due to ignorance). The only other requirement besides throwing in squats and deadlifts at least twice a week is I'd probably like to continue doing pull-ups and push-ups every day, but on back/arm days probably do a longer 100-rep pull-up pyramid, and the same for chest days and push-ups, just for that extra oomph, I guess. I don't know.

Maybe having actually typed all this out I'll figure out the answers for myself, we'll see.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Handstands (with push-ups).

I was completely wrong about this move, I thought you had to stay on both hands and head and then go up from there but that was wrong (and extremely hard). you just have to kick to the wall, put the heels there and begin pushing, way easier than I thought.

I did 6 of them :p first time ever, I am proud.

EDIT: Now, if you tell me you don't use a wall and go up and down unassisted, I faint. lol
 
IF is definitely cutting fat for me, but my strength has stagnated or dropped a bit. I just maxed out bench at 370 when I should be at at least 385-390.

I think once I get a little bit more lean IF is going away for me.

Of course, this could be the result of stress from trying to get employed as well.
Someone really needs to discover the magical potion we have to take to get muscle, strength, stamina, power, and speed gains alongside phenomenal fat loss.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
Man I'm out of practice with deads, so much that they are significantly behind my squats. I do 365 for working sets with squats, but I'm only comfortable with 315 for working sets of deads. Hopefully my body gets reacclimated to the weight and movement and my numbers can shoot up during the remainder of my bulk.

Someone really needs to discover the magical potion we have to take to get muscle, strength, stamina, power, and speed gains alongside phenomenal fat loss.
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I'm not big on supplements, but anybody try yohimbine hcl? I hear it's pretty effective for stubborn fat, thinking about getting some once I start cutting.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I was completely wrong about this move, I thought you had to stay on both hands and head and then go up from there but that was wrong (and extremely hard). you just have to kick to the wall, put the heels there and begin pushing, way easier than I thought.

I did 6 of them :p first time ever, I am proud.

EDIT: Now, if you tell me you don't use a wall and go up and down unassisted, I faint. lol

Haha, nice work, man!

Yeah, eventually you wanna be able to do it unassisted (on parallel bars!), but that takes a long time. Trust me. I haven't even got it down pat just yet.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Haha, nice work, man!

Yeah, eventually you wanna be able to do it unassisted (on parallel bars!), but that takes a long time. Trust me. I haven't even got it down pat just yet.

I just saw this video Handstand Push-up with variations and the guy seems to know what he's talking about, he said some interesting comments about the elbows and the position of the thumb.

I have no Idea how I did my 1 x 6 set today but I'll pay close attention from now on, It does feel like an advanced move, anyway you do it.

and yeah, doing HS-PU in the double bars, damn, that would be a dream but that's definitely a gymnastic move I am not sure I'll pull off in my lifetime, I am too old for that... but who knows, nothing is impossible, as they say.
 

kylej

Banned
trying to focus on my lifts at 6:00am is getting increasingly harder. I get frustrated at being a morning lifter because I feel like I leave performance on the table compared to when I do shoulders on Saturday and legs on Sunday mid-morning
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I just saw this video Handstand Push-up with variations and the guy seems to know what he's talking about, he said some interesting comments about the elbows and the position of the thumb.

I have no Idea how I did my 1 x 6 set today but I'll pay close attention from now on, It does feel like an advanced move, anyway you do it.

and yeah, doing HS-PU in the double bars, damn, that would be a dream but that's definitely a gymnastic move I am not sure I'll pull off in my lifetime, I am too old for that... but who knows, nothing is impossible, as they say.

Too old? You're already doing handstand push-ups, haha. I know plenty of people in their 20s who couldn't do them, assisted or otherwise. Just keep at it, brother man, and I think you'll surprise yourself by how quickly you progress if you just stay focused. :)

Also, really cool video, thanks for sharing.
 

agrajag

Banned
My right shoulder started making a cracking sound when doing pull-ups today. Not really a click, but more like a crack like when you crack your knuckles. I didn't feel any sharp pain, but a slight discomfort, enough to get me concerned. I guess I should stop for a while until I figure this shit out.
 

Srsly

Banned
Someone really needs to discover the magical potion we have to take to get muscle, strength, stamina, power, and speed gains alongside phenomenal fat loss.

Granted, this study was done in overweight police officers, but I think it might have a similar effect in someone who is not carrying a lot of body fat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10838463

"One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate."

"Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate."

I tried something similar myself for a couple of weeks during which I just consumed a bunch of cottage cheese throughout the day (~200g of protein worth which is about 160g of casein) while at a calorie deficit. My weight went down by only about 5 lbs but I dropped 2-3 inches in my wasit and my strength increased substantially (my 1rm for squat went from 325 to 380 if I recall). Alas, I got bored and started eating whatever and the awesome progress stopped.
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Here's a routine I was considering:

A/B/A workout (M/W/F)

A
Squat 3x5
DB Press 3x5
Pendlay Rows 3x5
Dips x50
Cable Crossovers 3x10

B
Squat 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Military Press 3x5
3x8 DB curls
Muscle-ups 3x5


And on Tuesdays/Thursdays:

Some core workouts (L-sit, V-sit, planche, back/front levers)
Pull-ups x100 pyramid sets (mixing in push-ups)
HIIT cardio


It's just preliminary, but I think it might work. I've been exercising a long time now, and I've built quite the endurance, so I'm sure I can manage.

What tweaks or suggestions can you guys make?
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
In workout B, I'd do deadlifts after OH pressing, not right after squats.

Yes, you're right. Good call.

As you can see, I tried combining the basic idea of Rippetoe's philosophy without compromising my bodyweight routines too much. I think I found a decent balance. Definitely didn't want to add too many isolation workouts. Much prefer the compound lifts when it comes to weights.
 
Lifted for the first time in a week (again, moving sucks).

Bench 205 x 10 with relative ease, feels good man.

My endurance was kinda shot though, my diet has been really up and down the past week probably way over maintenance some days, and absolutely without a doubt way under a few days. The day I moved all the big stuff, I don't even know if I ate at all, just so busy.
 

Mr.City

Member
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/prowler_challenge.htm

I'm doing the first one listed. The only changes I'm making is doing 4 sprints instead of 6 so that I can ease into it. This is going to fucking suck.

Granted, this study was done in overweight police officers, but I think it might have a similar effect in someone who is not carrying a lot of body fat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10838463

"One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate."

"Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate."

I tried something similar myself for a couple of weeks during which I just consumed a bunch of cottage cheese throughout the day (~200g of protein worth which is about 160g of casein) while at a calorie deficit. My weight went down by only about 5 lbs but I dropped 2-3 inches in my wasit and my strength increased substantially (my 1rm for squat went from 325 to 380 if I recall). Alas, I got bored and started eating whatever and the awesome progress stopped.

This is neat. I'm going to have research this later.
 

Petrie

Banned
Oh god, so damn sore. Month 2 does not fuck around =/

I haven't begun the challenge where the BBB part goes to 60% or 70%, but I'm dreading adding it it.

Saw a few familiar names in the Halo 4 thread. Any of you guys want to play with someone crappy, add me.

GT: PetriesLastWord

Be nice to play with people who aren't so good from playing 16 hours a day.
 

rando14

Member
Granted, this study was done in overweight police officers, but I think it might have a similar effect in someone who is not carrying a lot of body fat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10838463

"One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate."

"Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate."

I tried something similar myself for a couple of weeks during which I just consumed a bunch of cottage cheese throughout the day (~200g of protein worth which is about 160g of casein) while at a calorie deficit. My weight went down by only about 5 lbs but I dropped 2-3 inches in my wasit and my strength increased substantially (my 1rm for squat went from 325 to 380 if I recall). Alas, I got bored and started eating whatever and the awesome progress stopped.

That's a lot of cottage cheese... I don't know how my system would react eating just dairy haha
 

MjFrancis

Member
Here's a routine I was considering:

A/B/A workout (M/W/F)

A
Squat 3x5
DB Press 3x5
Pendlay Rows 3x5
Dips x50
Cable Crossovers 3x10

B
Squat 3x5
Deadlift 1x5
Military Press 3x5
3x8 DB curls
Muscle-ups 3x5


And on Tuesdays/Thursdays:

Some core workouts (L-sit, V-sit, planche, back/front levers)
Pull-ups x100 pyramid sets (mixing in push-ups)
HIIT cardio


It's just preliminary, but I think it might work. I've been exercising a long time now, and I've built quite the endurance, so I'm sure I can manage.

What tweaks or suggestions can you guys make?
Are you going to raise the weight you squat or deadlift every training day or every week?

I'm interested to follow when you plateau on linear progression given your volume and training history. You've built a solid base without LP so changing things up will get... interesting. I assume you're going to make some on-the-fly adjustments in time because, well, that shit just happens, lol. I've played around with a lot of stuff over the past three years and finding a balance with conditioning, labor, and weight training can be trail and error. Also, the press is a bitch. Short of buying fractional weights, I've previously been content to break rep records in the past. Since I've been getting a bit bigger these past few months it's been getting a lot easier, though. Just be prepared for that to stall first and figure out a solid plan of attack.
 
I was completely wrong about this move, I thought you had to stay on both hands and head and then go up from there but that was wrong (and extremely hard). you just have to kick to the wall, put the heels there and begin pushing, way easier than I thought.

I did 6 of them :p first time ever, I am proud.

EDIT: Now, if you tell me you don't use a wall and go up and down unassisted, I faint. lol

^ I always do my handstand pushups with my stomach/chest/toes facing the wall, not heels. With the back against the wall I find people have a tendency to break form and arch back. (Former gymnast/gymnastics instructor).

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Question fit gaf ....

Does anyone do blended fruit and veggie smoothies? Are these good?
My goal is to gain weight with out gaining body fat. 5'11 150 now
I usually blend....

3-4 oz kale
2-3 oz broccoli
6-10 baby carrots
3-4 oz pineapple
1/3 banana
Quarter cup plain greek yogurt
One scoop whey protein (30g)
2-3 oz cantaloupe
Quarter cup coconut water or OJ or pineapple juice or water
Quarter cup whole milk


( celery , blueberries, and raspberries are sometimes also used)


Questions..

Is that too much fruit/sugar?


Also, I try to only buy fresh organic produce, but when I take the food home i typically clean, cut , and freeze everything. Does freezing destroy the vitality of the fruits and veggies? Or is that nonsense?


Do any of you people have recipes or ingredients to recommend.?

Thanks, this thread is great and very helpful..and sorry for the giant post
 

MrOogieBoogie

BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Are you going to raise the weight you squat or deadlift every training day or every week?

I'm interested to follow when you plateau on linear progression given your volume and training history. You've built a solid base without LP so changing things up will get... interesting. I assume you're going to make some on-the-fly adjustments in time because, well, that shit just happens, lol. I've played around with a lot of stuff over the past three years and finding a balance with conditioning, labor, and weight training can be trail and error. Also, the press is a bitch. Short of buying fractional weights, I've previously been content to break rep records in the past. Since I've been getting a bit bigger these past few months it's been getting a lot easier, though. Just be prepared for that to stall first and figure out a solid plan of attack.

Not really sure about progression just yet. Gonna try this program for a couple weeks before I form any conclusive thoughts about it. Thanks for taking interest; I'll certainly keep you guys updated. Today's endurance workout of 100 pull ups and 200 pushups, followed by a 5 minute hill sprint, really kicked my ass. Felt like throwing up at the end.
 

sphinx

the piano man
mmh, sorry for the odd question and I am all ears (eyes) to be corrected regarding this nutrition detail, I am new to nutrition, yadda,yadda...

so, I am reading that about 40-50 grams of postworkout Protein is o.k for someone trying to get muscle mass.

the can of tuna I just ate says it contains 37.1 grams of protein.. is that .. possible? Like one can of tuna and a half and my protein needs are covered?

something fishy here, why would people buy expensive protein shakes and whey to get their proteins covered if a can of tuna and 2 eggs have you covered? just to not have to get into the kitchen??
 
mmh, sorry for the odd question and I am all ears (eyes) to be corrected regarding this nutrition detail, I am new to nutrition, yadda,yadda...

so, I am reading that about 40-50 grams of postworkout Protein is o.k for someone trying to get muscle mass.

the can of tuna I just ate says it contains 37.1 grams of protein.. is that .. possible? Like one can of tuna and a half and my protein needs are covered?

something fishy here, why would people buy expensive protein shakes and whey to get their proteins covered if a can of tuna and 2 eggs have you covered? just to not have to get into the kitchen??

mercury poisoning. you shouldn't eat multiple cans per day or even 1 per day.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/tuna.asp
 
Also, I think protein powder would be cheaper then tuna per gram of protein. If you are talking about protein shakes that you order from a shake/smoothie place, then those are overpriced compared to cans of tuna.

Eggs are great though.
 

sphinx

the piano man
mercury poisoning. you shouldn't eat multiple cans per day or even 1 per day.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/tuna.asp

how is this possible? I live in Germany, one of the most strict countries regarding food, we don't have freaking Splenda because it doesn't pass the tests...

so all canned tuna in the world is poisonous???? crazy.

by the way, I just ate one can and hadn't had one in ages... not going to call the ambulance, but thanks for the tip.

EDIT= But guys, what I want to have confirmed is that ONE can of tuna contains so much protein, 37.1 grams is like.... 6 medium eggs... WTF
 

IceCold

Member
how is this possible? I live in Germany, one of the most strict countries regarding food, we don't have freaking Splenda because it doesn't pass the tests...

so all canned tuna in the world is poisonous???? crazy.

by the way, I just ate one can and hadn't had one in ages... not going to call the ambulance, but thanks for the tip.

EDIT= But guys, what I want to have confirmed is that ONE can of tuna contains so much protein, 37.1 grams is like.... 6 medium eggs... WTF

How big is your can?

I have a can of 99g and it contains 23g of protein.

Tuna is a great source of protein, one of the cheapest. But you have to watch out for mercury since tunas are massive fishes and high in the food chain.
 

sphinx

the piano man
How big is your can?

I have a can of 99g and it contains 23g of protein.

Tuna is a great source of protein, one of the cheapest. But you have to watch out for mercury since tunas are massive fishes and high in the food chain.

I am reading the information now and it says it contains, 24.2 gr of protein per 100 grams of serving but the whole can is 150 grams without water so it should be 36.3 grams..
 

Mully

Member
Lowered my squats to 265 today and focused on consistently good form. Was able to do between six and ten reps going all the way to the parallel without an issue for four sets. I really love leg day.
 
Granted, this study was done in overweight police officers, but I think it might have a similar effect in someone who is not carrying a lot of body fat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10838463

"One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate."

"Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate."
Am i reading this wrong or is this study saying that casein is way better for losing fat and gaining strength and mass than whey?
 

despire

Member
I am reading the information now and it says it contains, 24.2 gr of protein per 100 grams of serving but the whole can is 150 grams without water so it should be 36.3 grams..

Yes it is possible.

The cans I currently have are 27g per 100G and the can is 150g so it comes down to 40g of protein per can.

And about the mercury poisoning, I remember hearing something about selenium (which is also found in tuna) helping to remove the mercury from your body (or making it inactive) so there shouldn't be such a big risk if you don't eat tuna all the time every day.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Yes it is possible.

The cans I currently have are 27g per 100G and the can is 150g so it comes down to 40g of protein per can.

And about the mercury poisoning, I remember hearing something about selenium (which is also found in tuna) helping to remove the mercury from your body (or making it inactive) so there shouldn't be such a big risk if you don't eat tuna all the time every day.

thank you and everyone for the info.

further into this topic, anyone knows if there are bad consequences of taking too much protein a day? 2 friends that do workout for at least a year and look already decently sized take around 120-140 a day...

but they too themselves debate themselves whether they should take more. As is usual in fitness, sources and Internet give conflicting infos... some places going as far as stating you could even die if you take more than 60 g. in one meal (..it was a forum, but wtf..I hope that was a figurative expression) and other just saying it's counterproductive because it slowers the restore process and it could hurt your liver...however, the biggest beasts in the world could be taking 1000 gr. protein per day....

tl/dr. assuming responsible workout and decent meal times and portion sizes, is too much protein really bad?
 

MjFrancis

Member
I don't think I've ever posted a progress pic. I got a new phone, I decided to play around with the camera.

I'm starting to look a little better. I wasn't about to train with my regular schedule for about a month because of my recent marriage. Now that things are settling down, I feel like I'm back on track.
Congrats! It's one of those welcomed distractions I'm certain, but it has to feel good to get back on track. And you're looking solid - any short or long-term weight-room goals you're looking forward to?
 
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