I don't think he's doubting his BB resume, just the dickish nature he sometimes gives off when he gives advice.
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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy
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parrotbeak
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I don't even remember posting this. Posting in between naps last night. Umm, I guess I mean he looks like he's in a squat stance. I agree that the concept of pushing your feet into the ground is good, but ultimately it is a pull exercise. I think he just needs to put more weight on the bar before anything.
Both my gyms now have full size plates as low as 10 lbs and it's great. Gym was packed but no one was deadlifting so the other day all I did was dl for reps and then went home.
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A More Normal Bird
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Does BB stand for barbell? Cos Rippetoe is about as far from bodybuilding as you can get. He's a strength coach with a strong focus towards novice and intermediate trainees. His main market is not, as sphinx suggested on the last page, the advanced dedicated lifter (many of whom will have contrasting opinions to him on certain lift mechanics), but the confused and misguided beginner. Hence the straightforward and 'dickish' attitude. In the case of gloves, people using something that has no benefit for reasons they can't quite explain might need of a bit of bluntness. Usually though, they will have spent money on this minor hindrance and as a result will get defensive about it.
@ sphinx: I generally play at least one instrument a day and have never noticed any pain or loss of motion from strength training - this is when doing compound lifts almost exclusively (which I understand you don't do too often? Correct me if I'm wrong). Was the issue calluses/blisters? If so, you may want to re-examine the grip you are using - at heavier weights, a glove won't protect you if the way you hold the bar is causing pinching of the skin. If your problem was a soreness or tightness in the hand and finger tendons themselves I can think of some causes:
- Weight bearing on a bent wrist (incorrect form).
- Tight grip on a narrow bar, for example if performing a lot of machine work or lifting with non-Olympic sized dumbbells/barbells. If this is the case, you may want to purchase something like Fat Gripz (google).
- Excess volume on accessory lifts without the increase in tendon and grip strength that comes from heavy compounds.
Wearing gloves will increase the diameter of the bar and decrease the friction of the grip just enough to noticeably impact your grip but not enough to adequately change the stress on the wrist like the Fat Gripz I mentioned above do.
This is worth reposting, even though it has been reposted several times in this thread.
The downside of bumpers is fitting them all on a barbell for heavier lifts. I have 520lbs of bumper plates but because of the denominations I can't fit much more than 400lbs on a barbell.
There's the fancier Eleiko bumper plates, but I'm not made of money. All my shit is Hi-Temp and Rogue (and still not cheap).
Of course all this is irrelevant in a proper gym, but in my home gym I make do with what I have.
Sniper McBlaze
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wrong thread lolool
So after a while of training I've figured out that I'm putting on 100 grams of lean mass per week. Is that a standard progression? It's out to 5.2KGs per year or 11 or so pounds per year.
I'm pretty happy with my progress, just want to make sure that I'm making decent gains on starting strength in terms of mass.
I'm pretty happy with my progress, just want to make sure that I'm making decent gains on starting strength in terms of mass.
That's his shtick though. You should go see his forum. He's vicious and the users bow to his feet.
BlueScrote
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Your fiance's first time squatting full plates? Also god that equipment is ugly.
That's exactly what a lot of people need when it comes to lifting though.
Does he say one shouldn't wear long pants when deadlifting because "real men" bleed on the bar?
Yeah I've seen that, even posted his replies a few times in this thread. Its funny stuff, and its way cool you can post videos of your form and he'll critique it.
But you have to also understand whre he's coming from. For one I suspect he gets asked a lot of bullshit questions. Most of which a person would know if he/she read the book. Plus I'm sure he has trained a lot of high school football players and we all know how they can be. You have to speak their language to get your point across.
I just put mine up on youtube.
... Is that dude kidding?
I have an absolutely horrible metabolism and I can barely eat two pieces of pizza without getting pregnant with food baby triplets. I'd get obese eating like that every day.
Speaking of eating, ate too much junk today. Couple bites of cake, two or three cookies, and some other crap. Not to mention I haven't worked out in three days.
Lol, eat within reason.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
You're already dead.
Find a different gym.
Can't man. Not on my own quite yet/can't afford.
Well if they don't even have proper equipment what's the point?
A gym without squat equipment isn't a gym.
You'll have to make due, but nothing will substitute for squats.
I haven't been there in person quite yet... They might have gotten one and forgot to change the website.
Always gotta look for the silver lining
And plus it's better than what we've got at home. At least I can do proper deadlifts/benches.
lol i wonder if you could find a way to squat with cables
EDIT: I stand corrected, apparently many people have thought of this before:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Quadriceps/CBSquat.html
what kind of machine is that lol
EDIT: I stand corrected, apparently many people have thought of this before:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Quadriceps/CBSquat.html
what kind of machine is that lol
FallingEdge
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gotta eat big to get big
*puke*
God, I would absolutely hate myself after eating that. No amount of exercise can justify that (for me at least)
gotta eat big to get big
All of those have more fat in them than protein man :/
TheDarkStark
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All the naturally skinny dudes need to stop telling the naturally chubby dudes to "just eat"
Not all food is created equal. Not everyone's body is the same. Yes bulking and eating a LOT of food is the only way to gain a significant amount of muscle, but eating a bunch of shitty food with little or no nutritional value isn't the answer.
Eating highly fatty foods is definitely not the answer, carbs and protein are what you need the most of to build muscle. You only need about 60g fat a day even on a bulk, fat is only fuel on a cut (or Keto diet). When eating above maintenance anything over 60ish grams of fat a day gets converted directly into body fat.
Not all food is created equal. Not everyone's body is the same. Yes bulking and eating a LOT of food is the only way to gain a significant amount of muscle, but eating a bunch of shitty food with little or no nutritional value isn't the answer.
Eating highly fatty foods is definitely not the answer, carbs and protein are what you need the most of to build muscle. You only need about 60g fat a day even on a bulk, fat is only fuel on a cut (or Keto diet). When eating above maintenance anything over 60ish grams of fat a day gets converted directly into body fat.
FallingEdge
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Yup. I know that feel.
Aware of that too but it is just too good. At this point, I want the calories and will worry about losing the fat later.
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Telling my friends the difficulty of gaining weight, their response: "Just eat McDonalds and BK everyday bro!" -___-
You can but it's very dangerous if you push too hard. The rack allows you to safely drop the weight if you can't get up or lose your footing.
Edit: Also, without the rack you have to try to prop the bar on your back from the ground. Pretty risky stuff. I would really really recommend you find a squat rack.
Hey guys! Could anyone help me find a good 3-split? I've been using a less than optimal one.
There's a caveat though... I'm nimble like a truck, and I cant do deadlifts or squats. I physically can't bend that low with a straight back without falling over. Is there a good 3-split without those exercises? I can still do straight leg deadlifts, just not normal ones.
There's a caveat though... I'm nimble like a truck, and I cant do deadlifts or squats. I physically can't bend that low with a straight back without falling over. Is there a good 3-split without those exercises? I can still do straight leg deadlifts, just not normal ones.
You work on your flexibility.
You'll just need to work a bit on your mobility so that you can squat and deadlift properly. I had the same problem when I started out and it's nothing that can't be fixed with a bit of work.
Squats and Deadlifts are, in that order, the most important exercises in the world (along with maybe pull-ups / chin-ups). It you are not going to do them because you think you have some sort limitation you might as well not even bother with weight training. I don't mean to sound harsh but I don't like defeatist attitudes.
Get started with this;
http://70sbig.com/blog/2010/12/mobility-for-lifters/
And you'll be squatting and deadlifting in no time flat.
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A More Normal Bird
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It's not that dangerous. I have a rack I made myself without safeties and have gotten pinned a few times - as long as you don't panic and know how to bail properly you should be fine. Your second point is a bigger concern; the Steinborn lift can be pretty tricky with only moderate weights and makes it difficult to end a set or reset during one. Hack squats, goblet squats and light front squats are what I'd recommend for a trainee without a rack who doesn't want to use the Steinborn method.
Thanks guys, I am working on my flexibility and will hopefully be able to do them eventually, but I'd really appreciate some suggestions until then. After all, I see tons of really fit people not doing those exercises at all, so even though they are The Best, it must be possible to exercise without them? At least for a while.
dual cable cross! we have two of them I love using them for chest flyes and reverse flyes.
Do this every morning - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI
Your flexibility will increase by leaps and bounds in no time at all.
In my opinion (I'm sure others will disagree),
Replace deadlifts with romanian dead lifts -- http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/06/the-rdl/
And squat with low weights/high reps while working on form. Set up a camera and record yourself while working on your squats. Do leg presses and reverse hyper extensions to increase strength.
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A More Normal Bird
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It depends on how you define fit. How do you know these people are really fit? As fitness is typically defined as the ability to complete a specific task, people who train to look good utilising a bunch of machines and isolation exercises, plus maybe the bench press, probably aren't as 'fit' as they look. By contrast, the balding over 40 with a paunch and a 2x bodyweight squat would be more fit for a variety of strength related tasks and would probably have better musculoskeletal health as well.
Spiritreaver
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I will say this much. When I need to cut and get ripped I have to keep my diet strict as fuck and bust my ass doing cardio. If I overeat even just a bit, it shows. I hate it.
Alright guys. I need some advice. What are some nice glute exercises? Do not say squats/deadlifts because I do them. I'm looking for a little extra work to throw in on the side. I did some special leg presses and lunges and it feels good. Just open to suggestions. I also did ATG squats, but I really dislike those. Too much abuse on the body.
EDIT: I've been breaking a lot of rules for broscience lately. I dunno what's with me. I have done ab workouts 3 days in a row. ?_?
Alright guys. I need some advice. What are some nice glute exercises? Do not say squats/deadlifts because I do them. I'm looking for a little extra work to throw in on the side. I did some special leg presses and lunges and it feels good. Just open to suggestions. I also did ATG squats, but I really dislike those. Too much abuse on the body.
EDIT: I've been breaking a lot of rules for broscience lately. I dunno what's with me. I have done ab workouts 3 days in a row. ?_?
laying (lying?) on your stomach leg curls. my trainer also made me do these things where i'd stand on one foot and keep my leg straight and bend over and touch the ground with a medicine ball...my ass cheeks hurt after that.
FallingEdge
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http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...raining_performance/dispelling_the_glute_myth
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...youve_never_tried_hamstring_and_glute_edition
hip thrusts are great despite how dumb you look doing them
Well yeah, I don't really care about looking good, I exercise for my health. I try to do both lifting (3 times/week) and cardio (1-2 times/week), but it's a lot to squeeze into my schedule and most weeks I don't do all that. How do you guys vary your exercise and what would you recommend?
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A More Normal Bird
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+1 for hip thrusts and glute bridges, at least as far as activation and DOMS go. I don't know how they'd go for hypertrophy but if you're brave enough to do them in a public space for multiple reps I can't see how you'd have anything to lose.
yeah, I stand corrected. You are right about rippetoe's public being the beginner instead of the advanced lifter but the part of what I said that matters is the 100% commitment and seriousness towards the WL discipline. I will never like dickish comments like the purse thing and so on, but I can understand why he'd put it that way. From what I gather in Evilore's quote, he is expecting to be read by the 18-25 year old dude, with no physical limitations or reservations, completely healthy, with perhaps a little too much non-sense they got from friends and/or bad gym trainers. I am none of that, I am old, have some limitiations, psychological or otherwise, and when I read or hear something, I verify with as many sources as possible (not that I am always right, as there are loads of contradicting opinions everywhere...)
thanks for all these comments, those are things I'll definitely watch over. Quite frankly here, I think I have some of psychological barriers regarding my wrists and hands, I really don't want to fuck up with that. It wasn't that bad, the issue was that I started feeling the calluses while doing certain stuff on the piano, like scales, wide grip like octaves were no problem, and before calluses are made permanently it hurts like hell (to me at least) and I can't have hurting, cutted skin on my hands when I have a concert in a couple of weeks...
I know, many here will think "Dude, give it up and go to a manicure or something soothing for your hands" but no, I really want this, and I may have been compromising things on both sides (Piano <-> Workout) but I hope, both disciplines can coexist. I haven't stopped making progress and my hands are o.k, so I think is a matter of confidence. 1 month ago I used to go only machines/Bodyweight for a bodypart, now I do at least half of it compound with weights, I think it's a matter of time. Thanks for the tips again.
we'll see...
So, I found this gym online and am going to go check it out sometime this week -
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They have an entire Olympic lifting setup in the basement with jerk boxes, you get 30 minutes per month with a trainer, and they will even design a program for you. I currently pay almost $70 for New York Sports Club, and am really tired of it considering you can't use chalk and can't do clean & jerk or snatch since slamming weights down on the ground would probably get you thrown out. This place is roughly half the cost I currently play, what say you Gaf?
They have an entire Olympic lifting setup in the basement with jerk boxes, you get 30 minutes per month with a trainer, and they will even design a program for you. I currently pay almost $70 for New York Sports Club, and am really tired of it considering you can't use chalk and can't do clean & jerk or snatch since slamming weights down on the ground would probably get you thrown out. This place is roughly half the cost I currently play, what say you Gaf?
Yup and yup. She started with the bar a year ago. Retro fitness has some weird looking stuff, but the price is right and they are laid back (I'm ok to use chalk and take my shoes off)
Can you link me to the research that says that?
I'm eating about 70g a day in fat because my carbs are at 25g (all from vegetables).
So, I found this gym online and am going to go check it out sometime this week -
They have an entire Olympic lifting setup in the basement with jerk boxes, you get 30 minutes per month with a trainer, and they will even design a program for you. I currently pay almost $70 for New York Sports Club, and am really tired of it considering you can't use chalk and can't do clean & jerk or snatch since slamming weights down on the ground would probably get you thrown out. This place is roughly half the cost I currently play, what say you Gaf?
Sounds good, though that gym looks too "clean" for my taste.
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