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[bjb]

Because they are an unnecessary piece of cloth that makes the bar harder to grip.

Please show me where this is backed up by actual scientific evidence. Otherwise, it's ultimately personal preference. For example, I picked up a nice set of under armour gloves for free - and they work great while lifting.

Alternatively, there's plenty of clowns that claim that gloves reduce strength gains somehow. Again, I've never seen a single study where this has been proven. It's Bro-Science and another absurd claim.

 

[abuC]

I'll never understand the glove hate here on GAF. Plenty of people (including professionals) use them. As long as you can achieve a solid grip (they're not too loose), then you avoid most calluses.

Yeah, I wear gloves because my gym doesn't allow chalk and calluses are unavoidable with the weights I use. Plus, I play a lot of basketball and the rim does a number on my hands as well.

 

[IceCold]

My calluses are pretty hardened at this point and not too noticeable. You just have to know how to treat them and how to hold the bar properly. I don't see why people are so worried about having them. Maybe you guys that wear them are hand models [insert Seinfeld reference].

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

Imo it looks like you're squatting with a bar in your hands. You're not pulling.

Can you elaborate?

 

[despire]

Please show me where this is backed up by actual scientific evidence. Otherwise, it's ultimately personal preference. For example, I picked up a nice set of under armour gloves for free - and they work great while lifting.

Alternatively, there's plenty of clowns that claim that gloves reduce strength gains somehow. Again, I've never seen a single study where this has been proven. It's Bro-Science and another absurd claim.

I don't think there are any studies on something like this since it's not something you can really properly study scientifically..

For me it's enough that the worlds best strength trainers advocate NOT using gloves and I think they probably know what they are talking about. You can absolutely grip the barbell in a way that you don't get any callouses even while lifting heavy.

Most dudes in a normal gym just use gloves because they think they look super cool which they do not.

 

[EviLore]

Gloves:

Gloves have no place in a serious training program. A glove is merely a piece of loose stuff between the hand and the bar, reducing grip security and increasing the effective diameter of the bar. Gloves make bars harder to hold on to. The ones that incorporate a wrist wrap prevent the wrist from getting used to training. The only legitimate use for a glove is to cover an injury, like a torn callus or a cut, where the workout is important enough to do with the injury and it cannot be done without the covering. A desire to prevent callus formation does not constitute a legitimate use. If your gym makes a lot of money selling gloves, you have another reason to look for a different gym. And if you insist on using them, make sure they match your purse.

 

[Petrie]

Gloves:

And we have a winner.

 

[nomis]

A desire to prevent callus formation does not constitute a legitimate use. If your gym makes a lot of money selling gloves, you have another reason to look for a different gym. And if you insist on using them, make sure they match your purse.

 

[ldcommando]

If Lord Rippetoe says so, then it´s settled. Now to find a matching purse.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I was going to say, those hips aren't squatting.


Imo it looks like you're squatting with a bar in your hands. You're not pulling.

Well to be fair its technically a push movement. You're driving your heels in the ground and pushing your hips forward. Strangely enough I'd rather do the exercise on a pull day.

 

[sphinx]

And if you insist on using them, make sure they match your purse.

what a huge moron, that's the tone I'd expect from a 15 year old stupid brat.

so saddening to see someone with so much knowledge behave and talk like this.

 

[Petrie]

what a huge moron, that's the tone I'd expect from a 15 year old stupid brat.

so saddening to see someone with so much knowledge behave and talk like this.

He's always brought that type of humor to his writing, this isn't news.

The only reason to use gloves is if you are concerned with callouses on your hands, which would be a typically feminine concern, that's just the accepted societal convention.

His attitude has always been one of essentially "man-the-hell-up", and I hope that never changes.

 

[sphinx]

He's always brought that type of humor to his writing, this isn't news.

The only reason to use gloves is if you are concerned with callouses on your hands, which would be a typically feminine concern, that's just the accepted societal convention.

His attitude has always been one of essentially "man-the-hell-up", and I hope that never changes.

I don't subscribe to that kind of talk to tell people to man up. You may like his humor and that's fine but I think it's extremely childish and it just reinforces the idea some people have, that muscle guys are morons.

I am not debating whether using gloves or not is better, the guy knows his stuff but I could tell him that avoiding calluses is not the only reason why people use gloves. But regardless, for Mr. Rippetoe anyone using gloves is a girl that should match them with a purse, because you know, being a girl is disgusting too and should be ashamed!

so much wrong there.

 

[despire]

His attitude has always been one of essentially "man-the-hell-up", and I hope that never changes.

Yes, this is why I like Rip so much. He just has the proper no-bullshit attitude and humor to go with it.

I know one guy who uses gloves because his skin is so dry that without them it just breaks up. That's a legitimate reason I think.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

I know one guy who uses gloves because his skin is so dry that without them it just breaks up. That's a legitimate reason I think.

A real man would invent some kind of moisturising chalk that both soothes and nourishes dry flaky skin and gives your grip that extra iota of friction to make it through a deadlift PR. None of this glove nonsense. Where I come from we call that running away from your problems! Like a child, or a draft-dodger!

Speaking seriously, gloves are just one of the many things people manage to convince themselves that they need, with no real reasoning or strong cause behind it. Much like using a foam pad or towel on the bar for squats. Unless you have an open wound on your neck and need something to soak up the blood to keep your back from getting all slippery. Of course, people don't actually convince themselves that they need these things entirely on their own, not when there's money to be made.

EDIT:

I could tell him that avoiding calluses is not the only reason why people use gloves.

Outside of unusual circumstances like despire's friend, or perhaps using a glove to hold a bandage in place over an injury, what utility does the average trainee gain from using gloves?

 

[sphinx]

Outside of unusual circumstances like despire's friend, or perhaps using a glove to hold a bandage in place over an injury, what utility does the average trainee gain from using gloves?

I am not sure if mine are unsual circumstances. When I first strated doing stuff (not talking about big lifts, just pull-ups and similar novice stuff that involved the hands) I wasn't using gloves, I didn't care or know about what would happen to my hands and some calluses began to form in the upper part of the palm and I was kind of proud.

but I am pianist, a classical pianist and I sometimes play the piano for a living. As I continued not caring about calluses and adding lifts and moves to my workout, it came a day when I was starting to feel the discomfort in my hands during my piano practices. I decided to go for gloves and calluses are gone and I haven't felt the discomfort ever since. I don't own a purse though, lol

but you know... Mr. Rippetoe's message is clearly not directed to me anyway, I am a novice, not-serious gym guy (meaning, I avoid stuff based on how much they could potentially hurt my hands/wrists), so that's why it doesn't click with me. His public is the advanced 100% commited lifter, which I am not. Maybe that's it.

 

[SeanR1221]

I don't subscribe to that kind of talk to tell people to man up. You may like his humor and that's fine but I think it's extremely childish and it just reinforces the idea some people have, that muscle guys are morons.

I am not debating whether using gloves or not is better, the guy knows his stuff but I could tell him that avoiding calluses is not the only reason why people use gloves. But regardless, for Mr. Rippetoe anyone using gloves is a girl that should match them with a purse, because you know, being a girl is disgusting too and should be ashamed!

so much wrong there.

So what are the other reasons then?
Edit- saw above you play piano. Eh, still not fully buying it. My lifting partner is a computer programmer and types all day. Never heard him complain. Different strokes I suppose.

And where does he say or imply being a girl is disgusting?

I love the no nonsense approach to lifting. That approach that has gotten Petrie banned countless times. My lifting partner at the gym has it, and it's helped tremendously over this past year. You are pushing your body to do things you never thought it could, it's not time to be coddled and loved, it's time to man up (or woman up) and hit the weights. My fiancé is attempting 135 on squats today. Do you think she got to that point by me being squishy and lovey or do you think she got there by pushing herself to limits she never thought possible?

 

[number47]

http://www.beastskills.com/removing-calluses/

Because all of you are crying about the discomfort calluses make while masturbating.

 

[JB1981]

3. How is my deadlift form? Tips?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffGXpelTmCc
My toes came off the ground a bit for the second lift.. I'll be getting some chucks soon.

There are many things wrong with this deadlift and Noema has most of them covered in his post. You say you are doing Starting Strength but there is no way you have read any editions of the book if you're dead lifting this way

 

[Petrie]

but you know... Mr. Rippetoe's message is clearly not directed to me anyway, I am a novice, not-serious gym guy (meaning, I avoid stuff based on how much they could potentially hurt my hands/wrists), so that's why it doesn't click with me. His public is the advanced 100% commited lifter, which I am not. Maybe that's it.

You really aren't his market at all. Nothing wrong with that, it is wha it is.

 

[IceCold]

what a huge moron, that's the tone I'd expect from a 15 year old stupid brat.

so saddening to see someone with so much knowledge behave and talk like this.

It's ok. Don't they sell murses now? You're good.

 

[SeanR1221]

It's ok. Don't they sell murses now? You're good.

I wear a brown leather fossil mur...er messenger bag. But it's the easiest way to transfer my iPad, laptop and loads of paperwork between clients!!

Itching to squat today but I just finished work and I told my mom I'd meet her for brunch. Probably wont get to it until 2

 

[1871]

Plus, I play a lot of basketball and the rim does a number on my hands as well.

Err... I doubt even a hundred dunks a week would do anything to hands...

 

[velociraptor]

http://www.beastskills.com/removing-calluses/

Thanks for the link.

 

[velociraptor]

Yeah but what I do know is, is that what im doing now keeps me at about 170lbs.

I add 300 more calories to my weight gainer each day. Hey presto.

I've always struggled to put on weight.

What kind of weight gainer do you use?

 

[MrToughPants]

Quoting this for the next page.

And if you insist on using them, make sure they match your purse.

LOL

 

[Eidan]

what a huge moron, that's the tone I'd expect from a 15 year old stupid brat.

so saddening to see someone with so much knowledge behave and talk like this.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either. But in the world of picking things up and putting them down, ham-fisted machismo seems to be all the rage.

 

[LogicStep]

To me it isn't about calluses but that without gloves the bars make my hands hurt. A glove takes care of that so I can concentrate on the exercise.

 

[Eidan]

I wonder how Rippetoe feels about shoes. Does he growl random insults like "lady-man", "bitch", and "make sure they match ya skirt" when he sees a guy not squatting barefoot?

 

[number47]

To me it isn't about calluses but that without gloves the bars make my hands hurt. A glove takes care of that so I can concentrate on the exercise.

you should work on your grip more. perhaps do more farmers walks.

 

[despire]

I wonder how Rippetoe feels about shoes. Does he growl random insults like "lady-man", "bitch", and "make sure they match ya skirt" when he sees a guy not squatting barefoot?

If you read SS you should know

 

[Eidan]

If you read SS you should know

I assume it's a picture of him flipping off the reader.

 

[rando14]

Less glove hate, more workout posts.

 

[sphinx]

Less glove hate, more workout posts.

seconded.

 

[Noema]

Can you elaborate?

Because his hips are so close to the ground he's basically turning the dead lift into a quad excercise, and that's not what the deadlift is supposed to be, at all.

First of all, because it results in a shortening and loosening of the hamstrings, which are very important since they maintain isometric control of the hips during the pull when the weight gets heavy.

Secondly, because it drastically impacts the mechanics of the lift, as the more vertical the back (produced by lowering the hips) the harder it is to keep the bar balanced over the middle of the foot and behind the scapulas. This in turn results in a much less vertical barbell path, making the lift significantly less efficient.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

First time puking during a workout. Felt so good afterwards. Damn that Assault PWO makes you feel like you're on something...

 

[Spiritreaver]

Less glove hate, more workout posts.

LET YOUR FINGERS FREEZE. REAL MEN WEAR FROSBITE SCARS WITH PRIDE.

 

[abuC]

Err... I doubt even a hundred dunks a week would do anything to hands...

When you combine it with lifting 6 days a week without gloves then yeah, which is why I now wear gloves. And I've torn HUNDREDS of callouses off my hands because of dunking, not exactly playing on brand new rims with fresh coats of paint on them.

 

[Nekrono]

What's the word on this? The 3 Week Diet System

I just found out about it and I have my doubts, losing around 21 pounds in 3 weeks seems a bit crazy but then again I just started doing diet and working out (last week) and what I will say about it though is that he's spot on on how difficult it is to find a good starting point since there is SO much information out there regarding diet/foods/workouts, etc, I feel really confused at times and when I find something that I think works it's not long until I find some other piece of information that is very different which leaves me confused.

So what do you guys think about it? Has someone used it before? Does it work or is it just another over hyped crap program that doesn't work.

 

[Fallen_Hero]

Looks like baloney.

 

[HarryHengst]

What's the word on this? The 3 Week Diet System

I just found out about it and I have my doubts, losing around 21 pounds in 3 weeks seems a bit crazy but then again I just started doing diet and working out (last week) and what I will say about it though is that he's spot on on how difficult it is to find a good starting point since there is SO much information out there regarding diet/foods/workouts, etc, I feel really confused at times and when I find something that I think works it's not long until I find some other piece of information that is very different which leaves me confused.

So what do you guys think about it? Has someone used it before? Does it work or is it just another over hyped crap program that doesn't work.

It sounds like this one weird tip my grandma had to gain abs.

 

[SeanR1221]

I'm so proud.

 

[JB1981]

I wonder how Rippetoe feels about shoes. Does he growl random insults like "lady-man", "bitch", and "make sure they match ya skirt" when he sees a guy not squatting barefoot?

You should probably do some actual research on the guy before makin ignorant comments about him

 

[Banglish]

Yes. Your hips should at least go below your knees. Don't do partial squats. Please post a video so we can check your form.

Will correct this and post a new video next time I workout.

Judging from your video, you are really thin, and really young. Just eat whole foods (beef, fish, chicken, eggs, milk, potatoes, sweet potatoes) and if possible add a protein shake here and there. But you have to understand that if you want to be strong, you gotta gain weight, and you gotta eat, eat, eat.

I am! 5'9, 110 lbs. I enjoy all those foods but I know I need to eat more. I wish I knew a bit more precisely how much to eat. Without some sort of guideline I'm lost.
Does anyone here use Fitday? If I know how many carbs from proteins, fats, and cholesterol I'm taking in now, I should be able to adjust accordingly then right?

First of all, you are deadlifting 65lb. And the issue here is that the bar is too low, which makes it harder too set up. I honestly don't see any reason for any adult male under the age of 80 to start their deadlift with anything less than 135lb. So load up a 45lb plate on each side next time, and the bar will be at the proper height.



Secondly, there are several cues you should keep in mind when deadlifting:

1) The bar should be on top of the middle of the foot when you pull. That's because the bar should travel on a vertical path over your center of gravity. And by middle of the foot, I mean the actual middle of your foot, from the heel to the tip of your toes.

2) Your shins should be in contact with the bar before the pull: if you positioned yourself properly according to 1), your shins should touch the bar after you lean over to grab the barbell.

3) The bar should be behind your scapulas. And during the pull, the bar should be in contact with your legs at all times. You will probably have to consciously shove the bar towards you using your lats. Yes, the bar will scrape your shins.

4) You should be in lumbar extension, which you are doing, but you are doing it by trying to keep your back vertical, which is bad. And the reason it's bad is because it shortens your hamstrings, which in turn results in less ability for the hamstrings to contract. This is not a problem now, but it will be a problem when the weights get heavy, trust me.

Lumbar extension should be achieved by trying to simultaneously raise your chest and your butt. This is very important, and takes some effort, because your hamstrings will conspire to pull your butt down, which in turn will make you lose lumbar extension. Raise your chest and raise your butt. Your hamstrings should feel really tense, not loose. (Image from 70sbig.com):

5) When lowering the bar, you shouldn't unlock your knees until the bar has traveled below your knees. Otherwise, your legs will get in the way. You should lower the back by first unlocking your hips, shoving your butt back, and then unlocking your knees AFTER the bar is low enough so that they don't get in the way.

6) Ditch the gloves. . Yes, you will get calluses.

7) Ditch the marchmallow running shoes. Get some Chucks. Heck, it's better to deadlift barefoot than it is to deadlift wearing running shoes.

If you are really interested in lifting, you should buy this and this, ASAP.

I was just worried about fucking my back up, so I decided it would be best to go low weight and work on form, but I will correct my form as best I can with your advice, go heavier weight and post a new video. Ditch the gloves?! I don't care about calluses but I like the grip they give me. I'll try it without them though and see how it goes. I want to go barefoot but apparently it's a bad idea from going from mallows to barefeet, you need to give them time to adjust. Ill get some chucks that are 1-2 sizes bigger so my toes can really spread out. I'll get the books too. Much appreciate for the in-depth advice brother.

 

[OG Kush]

Oh no how dare they say something about Rippetoe!

 

[IceCold]

It's a shame most gyms don't use Olympic style barbell plates where they are all the same size as 45lb plates. Makes learning how to do dead lifts or pendlay rows a total bitch when they are different sizes.

 

[TheDarkStark]

If your calluses are so bad that you need to wear gloves then you're gripping the bar wrong, it's as simple as that.

I lift 4-5 days a week and my calluses are basically non-existent In fact people have commented on how soft my hands are, and I don't moisturize or any of that bullshit.

Grip is done with your fingers, NOT WITH YOUR PALMS.

Learn to grip properly, stop using gloves.

 

[MjFrancis]

I'm such a fan of 5/3/1's flexible nature. A few weeks ago I had a cold that lasted ten days. Got better, then I got the flu. During my deload week I did nothing or next to nothing. On 5/3/1 waves I did my main lift work sets and nothing else.

Due to circumstances I didn't deadlift last Friday and had to push it out to this morning along with my upper body day. It's week three in the cycle, so I'm supposed to be giving it all I got, too!

Nice thing about the program is I just suck it up this morning, DL 5/3/1, press 5/3/1 and grab some teriyaki in celebration of still kicking some ass when I could have just said "screw it" and sat on my ass. It screws up my deload week (I'm probably not squatting tomorrow) but I can combine a couple days together and start my next cycle fresh. Still, I don't plan on having so many setbacks in the coming weeks, but it's nice that such things are still accounted for in 5/3/1 because this shit sneaks up on you sometimes.

 

[JB1981]

It's a shame most gyms don't use Olympic style barbell plates where they are all the same size as 45lb plates. Makes learning how to do dead lifts or pendlay rows a total bitch when they are different sizes.

Agreed. I wish my gym had bumpers... There are creative ways of getting around it though

 

[Spiritreaver]

If your calluses are so bad that you need to wear gloves then you're gripping the bar wrong, it's as simple as that.

I lift 4-5 days a week and my calluses are basically non-existent In fact people have commented on how soft my hands are, and I don't moisturize or any of that bullshit.

Grip is done with your fingers, NOT WITH YOUR PALMS.

Learn to grip properly, stop using gloves.

*high five* I have calluses, but they're pretty minorl. They're pretty darn soft and the rest of my hands are baby soft and i don't do anything either.

Not gonna jump on the anti-glove train so we can move on, but try to steer away from them.