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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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MrOogieBoogie

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Is there ANY correlation between dumbbell press and barbell press?

I feel much stronger on the DB press for some reason. Like, if I can lift 70lbs in each hand five times for three sets, what should I be able to do with a barbell?
 

_Isaac

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What are your opinions on going to the gym in the morning? Is it generally considered to be less effective? Is breakfast perhaps too close to actual work out time? I think I might prefer going in the mornings. It energizes me for the day, and the gym is emptier.
 
What are your opinions on going to the gym in the morning? Is it generally considered to be less effective? Is breakfast perhaps too close to actual work out time? I think I might prefer going in the mornings. It energizes me for the day, and the gym is emptier.

Go whenever, lift a weight, dont overthink it.
 
Thanks for the advice, everyone. While kinda just pseudo-practicing squats I figured out that if I take a deep breath and kinda tighten my chest muscles, it helps to straighten my back. Tomorrow's my lifting day again, so hopefully I can get some more video and see how it improves.

Just make sure you're breathing properly, it's tough to keep a tight core and breathe but if you don't breathe you'll become exhausted really quickly and you'll put too much strain on your body and possibly pass out.

edit: misread MrOogie's post
 

Brera

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What are your opinions on going to the gym in the morning? Is it generally considered to be less effective? Is breakfast perhaps too close to actual work out time? I think I might prefer going in the mornings. It energizes me for the day, and the gym is emptier.

I think everyone is different.

Experiment with what time you go combined with when you eat so you know whats good for you. I'm useless first, but awesome around after 1300hrs!

I bought a blender this morning as well as a bottle of fruit smoothie and mixed up 250ml with 50g of oats and a scoop of USN whey.

60g of carbs, 33g of Protein and 453 calories!

It was pretty thick but I treated it as a meal. It was pretty good once I got used to it!
 

CrankyJay

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What are your opinions on going to the gym in the morning? Is it generally considered to be less effective? Is breakfast perhaps too close to actual work out time? I think I might prefer going in the mornings. It energizes me for the day, and the gym is emptier.

I go in the mornings for that very reason...it's less busy. I can go in with my plan and hit every bench/weight I need with little to no interruption. Going after work is just a shitshow with dude bros.

I eat a little snack 30-60 min before my morning workout on lifting days. On cardio days I go in fasted.
 

SeanR1221

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At 196 this morning. So 4 pounds in 5 weeks. Whenever I do go to cut some day, I'll have to eat like 1600 calories, won't I? :(

This is on a 2000 calorie diet, btw.
 
Hey guys, wanted to have an opinion for some trouble I've been getting.

Background: Used to be a fairly active person - riding bike even through snow, beach almost everyday in summer time, working on my feet all day long - but around 2-3 years ago I started working at the desk and to make matters worse, broke my leg skiing. Gained a lot of weight and lost all resistance I had.

So I enrolled on gym and started doing the bike classes (like the RPM bike class) to improve at least my cardio condition. Thing is that I can never push my limits because I either: get immense cramping in my calves or get the side stitches. The cramps I can more or less control these days by never going to low load on the bike (faster lighter movements), but the stiches... I've been reading and mostly it's about breathing, but I can't get my head around that!
 

Brera

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Skip the cardio at the gym. You'll have to do a lot of running to lose just a mars bar. Just don't eat the mars bar in the first place.

Change your diet and lift weights. Keep cardio just for a warm up. Also, it could be lack of muscles? Get stronger all over and then cardio will be easier.

Also...cardio at the gym is soul destroying! Stop being a hamster and start running outside! Much more satisfying, healthy, fun and will work your body better and harder.
 

SeanR1221

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Sent you friend request if you want to share your food diary, no pressure

Sure, I'll even post it here.

Breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 pieces of bacon, 1 piece of provolone.

Lunch- 8oz of chicken, 1 piece of provolone, 1/4 cup of broccoli, 3 hardboiled eggs.

Dinner- 4 chicken sausages.

Snacks- scoop of whey in water before HIIT and after HIIT today.

That puts me at 1759 calories. Still have to decide on a vegetable for dinner, which I'll cook in a little coconut oil.
 

bjb

Banned
Yeah, it's a little alarming actually. Could being overweight from 3rd grade to college have ruined my bmr?

To my knowledge, there's actually a lack of evidence towards low BMR and childhood obesity to begin with. Moreover, somewhere between 20-40% of BMI is genetics anyway.

So to answer your question - it's highly unlikely you ruined your BMR when you were younger. Regardless of your weight or activity level.

Might be worth reading if you're still curious on the subject: Link
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Sure, I'll even post it here.

Breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 pieces of bacon, 1 piece of provolone.

Lunch- 8oz of chicken, 1 piece of provolone, 1/4 cup of broccoli, 3 hardboiled eggs.

Dinner- 4 chicken sausages.

Snacks- scoop of whey in water before HIIT and after HIIT today.

That puts me at 1759 calories. Still have to decide on a vegetable for dinner, which I'll cook in a little coconut oil.

What's your sodium like? Between the bacon, cheese, and chicken sausages you could probably make a case for some water retention. Then again that couldn't be more than 2000mg, right?

edit: Those 4 links of sausage are 2240mg alone.
 

SeanR1221

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What's your sodium like? Between the bacon, cheese, and chicken sausages you could probably make a case for some water retention. Then again that couldn't be more than 2000mg, right?

edit: Those 4 links of sausage are 2240mg alone.

Just looked, my sodium is pretty high. 3900, with 2000 being from the sausage alone 0___0

I've always been consistent with creatine for 4 weeks.
 
Yeah, it's a little alarming actually. Could being overweight from 3rd grade to college have ruined my bmr?

What does your typical day consist of? How much activity do you typically get outside of lifting? The difference between sitting at a desk all day and standing around, or walking around all day makes quite a world of difference.
 

SeanR1221

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What does your typical day consist of? How much activity do you typically get outside of lifting? The difference between sitting at a desk all day and standing around, or walking around all day makes quite a world of difference.

Outside of lifting and 2 dats of hiit, not much. I'm mostly sedentary at work.
 
To my knowledge, there's actually a lack of evidence towards low BMR and childhood obesity to begin with. Moreover, somewhere between 20-40% of BMI is genetics anyway.

So to answer your question - it's highly unlikely you ruined your BMR when you were younger. Regardless of your weight or activity level.

Might be worth reading if you're still curious on the subject: Link

I cant remember were i read it, i thought recently in this very thread, but it was an article about how people who used to be fat had lower energy needs than people who were never fat, even when both persons currently had the same weight.
 

CrankyJay

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Just looked, my sodium is pretty high. 3900, with 2000 being from the sausage alone 0___0

I've always been consistent with creatine for 4 weeks.

I know there's a convenience factor there...but you should try going with less processed foods for 2 weeks to see if that makes a difference. I'm fairly certain you're retaining a shitload of water. If you want, you can edit your MFP settings to add a column for sodium.
 

SeanR1221

Member
I know there's a convenience factor there...but you should try going with less processed foods for 2 weeks to see if that makes a difference. I'm fairly certain you're retaining a shitload of water. If you want, you can edit your MFP settings to add a column for sodium.

Here they are

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I thought I was pretty safe with these :/
 

Cheech

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I know there's a convenience factor there...but you should try going with less processed foods for 2 weeks to see if that makes a difference. I'm fairly certain you're retaining a shitload of water. If you want, you can edit your MFP settings to add a column for sodium.

I also hope he's getting his cholesterol checked, nobody should be eating 6 eggs a day. At least go buy the egg beater stuff instead.

I thought I was pretty safe with these :/

Those look freaking delicious, but I wouldn't do that more than once a week. Any kind of processed meat has ridiculous amounts of salt.

Go get a rotisserie chicken from the grocery for like $5, and do that for a couple meals.
 

Szu

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Is there ANY correlation between dumbbell press and barbell press?

I feel much stronger on the DB press for some reason. Like, if I can lift 70lbs in each hand five times for three sets, what should I be able to do with a barbell?

In my experience, there's no accurate way to gauge how well your body handles the two different workouts.

The math doesn't quite work out that since you're hitting 70 lbs in each hand, then it should be 140 lbs with both hands on the barbell.

Barbell press is a compound workout the focuses on your chest, but it also utilizes your shoulders, triceps, and forearms for balance and stability.

DB press is also a compound workout. However, it takes less stress off your shoulders.

If you've been constantly doing DB press, then you may not be able to initially press as much on barbell since some areas of your torso haven't been stimulated for the barbell workout.

Personal example, I'm much stronger on DB press because both my shoulders have issues from old injuries.
 

CrankyJay

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I also hope he's getting his cholesterol checked, nobody should be eating 6 eggs a day. At least go buy the egg beater stuff instead.

I don't think dietary cholesterol and fat matter that much unless he already has high cholesterol. Check out the documentary Fathead on Netflix streaming if you get a chance.
 

Cheech

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I don't think dietary cholesterol and fat matter that much unless he already has high cholesterol. Check out the documentary Fathead on Netflix streaming if you get a chance.

Well, right. If your cholesterol isn't high, eat all the eggs you want. Just have to keep tabs on it.
 
Outside of lifting and 2 dats of hiit, not much. I'm mostly sedentary at work.

There you go, that would explain it.

We're pretty similar, I was fat growing up too, and I work in an office job. I have to be extremely careful in what I eat, how much I eat, and how much activity I get or I can blow up real quick. When I broke my hand about a year and a half ago I gained nearly 30 lbs in like 5-6 months... My diet was poor but it wasn't THAT bad, I just got almost zero activity.
 

SeanR1221

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There you go, that would explain it.

We're pretty similar, I was fat growing up too, and I work in an office job. I have to be extremely careful in what I eat, how much I eat, and how much activity I get or I can blow up real quick. When I broke my hand about a year and a half ago I gained nearly 30 lbs in like 5-6 months... My diet was poor but it wasn't THAT bad, I just got almost zero activity.

So when you're cutting, you're eating around 1500-1700?

Let me be clear on I don't mind I'm gaining right now as I'd like to get stronger. It's just going to suck when I want to lose.
 

CrankyJay

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So when you're cutting, you're eating around 1500-1700?

Let me be clear on I don't mind I'm gaining right now as I'd like to get stronger. It's just going to suck when I want to lose.

I'm on a cut again (thanks to my newborn, lol)...I eat 1900-2000 cals a day, and outside of the gym I am sedentary at work (computer programmer). This hasn't really been an issue with weight gaining...then again, I do work out first thing in the morning and also take an afternoon walk around my business park (about 1-1.5 miles).

Do you have anywhere you can walk for 20 minutes a few days a week?
 
So when you're cutting, you're eating around 1500-1700?

Let me be clear on I don't mind I'm gaining right now as I'd like to get stronger. It's just going to suck when I want to lose.

Yes.

On a cut I eat about 1500-1600 calories on non-lifting days and bump it up to 1900-2000 on lifting days. Even then I only lose 1lb a week at most.

I'm doing the leangains bulk right now and I'm eating like 2800-3000 calories on lifting days and 1800 on non-lifting days.
 

SeanR1221

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I'm on a cut again (thanks to my newborn, lol)...I eat 1900-2000 cals a day, and outside of the gym I am sedentary at work (computer programmer). This hasn't really been an issue with weight gaining...then again, I do work out first thing in the morning and also take an afternoon walk around my business park (about 1-1.5 miles).

Do you have anywhere you can walk for 20 minutes a few days a week?

Once my dog is a little bigger and can handle more than a short walk I will be able to add that in. Right now I'm literally dragging her after about 10 minutes :)

Yes.

On a cut I eat about 1500-1600 calories on non-lifting days and bump it up to 1900-2000 on lifting days. Even then I only lose 1lb a week at most.

I'm doing the leangains bulk right now and I'm eating like 2800-3000 calories on lifting days and 1800 on non-lifting days.

Definitely something ill have to keep in mind for the future.
 

SeanR1221

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Sent a request.

You're right, I need to ditch those Cliff bars...too much sugar. LOL.

They're just so damn convenient tho. I'll have to start cooking up something the night before I can shove in my mouth in the morning before the gym.

That's one area I pride myself in. Barely any sugar. 3G for today.
 

otapnam

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Is there ANY correlation between dumbbell press and barbell press?

I feel much stronger on the DB press for some reason. Like, if I can lift 70lbs in each hand five times for three sets, what should I be able to do with a barbell?

I always thought it was dumbell weight + bar.

So you should be able to bench ~ 180-185 on the bar.

You need to use more stabilizers to do heavy dumbbell bench, so with the bar you should be able to do nore weight
 

bjb

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In my experience, there's no accurate way to gauge how well your body handles the two different workouts.

The math doesn't quite work out that since you're hitting 70 lbs in each hand, then it should be 140 lbs with both hands on the barbell.

Barbell press is a compound workout the focuses on your chest, but it also utilizes your shoulders, triceps, and forearms for balance and stability.

DB press is also a compound workout. However, it takes less stress off your shoulders.

If you've been constantly doing DB press, then you may not be able to initially press as much on barbell since some areas of your torso haven't been stimulated for the barbell workout.

Personal example, I'm much stronger on DB press because both my shoulders have issues from old injuries.

10 years or so ago there was a constant myth that DB will give you slightly more definition, but less strength gains by comparison. I think that's heavily debated and possibly even been debunked now in regards to chest press. Regardless, According to BB:

Which of our three lifts works best for strength? In a study published in the Journal of Sports Science, researchers assessed the differences between the barbell, DBs and Mr. Smith. Twelve healthy males performed the three variations, resting 3-to-5 days between sessions.

When the study completed, the barbell loading weight was 3 percent higher than the Smith machine load, and the Smith machine was 14 percent higher than the dumbbell load. Subjects were able to lift 17 percent more weight at their one rep max using a barbell compared to a dumbbell.

You must make triceps a top priority if you want big guns. The triceps naturally contain more muscle mass than biceps, making triceps the primary upper-arm muscle.

Researchers noted the electrical activity (muscular activation) was greater in the triceps muscle when performing barbell chest presses compared to the dumbbells. The biceps came into play more when subjects performed the dumbbell lift compared to the barbell and Smith.

This determines which muscles to target when performing chest presses. Build triceps mass with barbells, but if you want bigger, stronger biceps, the dumbbell press gives you two tickets to paradise.

Note that researchers found no statistical difference in the electrical stimulation of the pectoralis muscle or the anterior deltoid across all three lifts. Whatever method you choose will not influence recruitment of chest and shoulder muscles.

Personally I try to switch it up every couple of weeks, but lately it's whatever is available when I get to the gym at night with all the dudebros.
 
Sent a request.

You're right, I need to ditch those Cliff bars...too much sugar. LOL.

They're just so damn convenient tho. I'll have to start cooking up something the night before I can shove in my mouth in the morning before the gym.

Don't feel bad, my diet is absolute trash when it comes to eating processed stuff loaded with sodium and refined sugar. I simply don't have time to cook more than once a day during the week and even then it can be a chore some times.

I work 45 hours a week and commute 1 and a half hours each way (3 hours of travel a day). I wake up at 6:00 am and don't make it back home until 7:00 PM.


You guys can add me too if you'd like: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/thedarkstark
 

bjb

Banned
So... What's your take on PX90? Does it work? Or is it just another way to lose some fat?

You certainly need the proper home equipment for P90x. DB's and yoga mats at a minimum. Also, it takes a lot of discipline. The same can be said for any weight training / exercise regiment. However, I think there's something to be said about motivation at an actual gym, as opposed to doing it in your home.

My brother was doing it for over a year until he hurt himself the past few months. He definitely made progress. Granted he was really consistent and had everything mentioned at his disposal (including supplements).

Overall, I'd say it's effective if you put the work in. Particularly for weight loss. If you're trying to build muscle and strength - I'd say weight training at a gym (if you know what you're doing) is still superior.

Then again, a lot of criminals get jacked in prison simply by pushing their own body weight. So it's certainly up to and various for each individual.
 
You certainly need the proper home equipment for P90x. DB's and yoga mats at a minimum. Also, it takes a lot of discipline. The same can be said for any weight training / exercise regiment. However, I think there's something to be said about motivation at an actual gym, as opposed to doing it in your home.

My brother was doing it for over a year until he hurt himself the past few months. He definitely made progress. Though he was really consistent and had everything mentioned at his disposal (including supplements).

Overall I'd say it's effective if you put the work in. Particularly for weight loss. If you're trying to build muscle and strength - I'd say weight training at a gym is still superior.

Sounds like I might just as well go to the gym and do some basic exercises and cardio on off days. :)
 

CrankyJay

Banned
My boss did p90x and the diet (he basically at nothing but protein bars and shakeology with a few real food items mixed in) and lost like 33 pounds in 3 months. He stopped and gained everything back after an injury.
 

bjb

Banned
Sounds like I might just as well go to the gym and do some basic exercises and cardio on off days. :)

What are your goals?

P90X is a fat loss program, it won't get you bigger. It does what it sets out to do very well however, and you can make some minor strength gains if you're severely atrophied.

Yeah. I mean from the videos I watched him do - they definitely do weight training (hence needing the DB's and bench), but it's mostly per the routine and not actually building mass.
 
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