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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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BadTaste

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Can barely manage my calorie intake. I was feeling nauseous about dinner so I just made a tuna sandwich instead. Nothing was wrong with it but I felt like I was going to puke by the time I finished it. I still managed to drink my weight gainer (700ml) tonight though.

Perhaps my body is still adjusting to eating this much everyday now? Or I need to exercise a lot more?
 

s7evn

Member
Can barely manage my calorie intake. I was feeling nauseous about dinner so I just made a tuna sandwich instead. Nothing was wrong with it but I felt like I was going to puke by the time I finished it. I still managed to drink my weight gainer (700ml) tonight though.

Perhaps my body is still adjusting to eating this much everyday now? Or I need to exercise a lot more?

Don't eat till you puke. Maybe a slower increase in calories is all you need (or more calorie dense food to save space). Have you excreted what you would expect from eating more mass/volume or is it all still digesting.
 

Eidan

Member
Can barely manage my calorie intake. I was feeling nauseous about dinner so I just made a tuna sandwich instead. Nothing was wrong with it but I felt like I was going to puke by the time I finished it. I still managed to drink my weight gainer (700ml) tonight though.

Perhaps my body is still adjusting to eating this much everyday now? Or I need to exercise a lot more?

What are you eating throughout the day?
 

Eidan

Member
Cereal - Corn Flakes
Lunch - 2 fried eggs, 3 grilled bacon, peas or beans
Dinner - Pork/Stir Fry/Steak/Curry/whatever

I drink pure orange juice and water throughout the day too.

What are your caloric goals?

From the sounds of it, it looks like you're eating fairly light throughout the day, and then trying to cram as many calories as possible into a short period.
 

PBY

Banned
Just gonna run this by y'all before I start- my "reduce ass and thigh plan"

-no more squats, deads, or cleans
- more cardio- spinning and hiit sprints
-only leg stuff I'm doing- leg curls, leg extensions, and calf raises

Thoughts? It's killing me to let those lifts go cuz I enjoy doing them... But I guess it needs to be done.
 

BadTaste

Member
Don't eat till you puke. Maybe a slower increase in calories is all you need (or more calorie dense food to save space). Have you excreted what you would expect from eating more mass/volume or is it all still digesting.

Everything takes a while to digest ;o

What are your caloric goals?

From the sounds of it, it looks like you're eating fairly light throughout the day, and then trying to cram as many calories as possible into a short period.

I haven't set any goals down. I'd disappoint myself not reaching goals since I feel nauseous about eating most of the time.

What you said about calories in a short period sounds right though :/

I may go to the GP about it, if that would help Lol
 

grumble

Member
Just gonna run this by y'all before I start- my "reduce ass and thigh plan"

-no more squats, deads, or cleans
- more cardio- spinning and hiit sprints
-only leg stuff I'm doing- leg curls, leg extensions, and calf raises

Thoughts? It's killing me to let those lifts go cuz I enjoy doing them... But I guess it needs to be done.

Why not just cut body fat? I mean if having strong legs and a balanced, athletic body is not in your goals then you should reduce your leg workout frequency, volume and intensity. Lacking the proper stimulus, muscles slowly shrink.

Also, why not just work on strengthening your upper body further? It would eventually catch up if your legs are highly developed.

You would want to avoid the isolation movements, those do keep muscle on and will atrophy your midsection,
 

PBY

Banned
Why not just cut body fat? I mean if having strong legs and a balanced, athletic body is not in your goals then you should reduce your leg workout frequency, volume and intensity. Lacking the proper stimulus, muscles slowly shrink.

Also, why not just work on strengthening your upper body further? It would eventually catch up if your legs are highly developed.

You would want to avoid the isolation movements, those do keep muscle on and will atrophy your midsection,
Wait what's going to atrophy my midsection?

Also- it's not a cutting issue, at least I don't think so- my body fat was measured and it's 9%- my ass and thighs are just too big bc i think I'm just genetically bottom heavy, my squats and deads are by farrrrr my best lifts.
 

s7evn

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Wait what's going to atrophy my midsection?

Also- it's not a cutting issue, at least I don't think so- my body fat was measured and it's 9%- my ass and thighs are just too big bc i think I'm just genetically bottom heavy, my squats and deads are by farrrrr my best lifts.

Unless you do more ab workouts you will lose some core strength. You're removing arguably some of the best core exercises.

I've got that giant leg gene as well and I don't know anyway to reduce size so I fear your efforts might be in vain.
 

PBY

Banned
Unless you do more ab workouts you will lose some core strength. You're removing arguably some of the best core exercises.

I've got that giant leg gene as well and I don't know anyway to reduce size so I fear your efforts might be in vain.
Noted. But I haven't always had these tree trunks, they just exploded right around when my squat/deads eclipsed 350 lbs
 

grumble

Member
Wait what's going to atrophy my midsection?

Also- it's not a cutting issue, at least I don't think so- my body fat was measured and it's 9%- my ass and thighs are just too big bc i think I'm just genetically bottom heavy, my squats and deads are by farrrrr my best lifts.

Well squats and deadlifts work your lower back and abs heavily. Stop doing them and you have cut out working that area out with those movements the same as with your legs. The deadlift also works out your upper back heavily; cutting it out cuts out that work for that area too.

What I would so if I were you is to cut volume on squats and deals to maybe squats 2x/week and deads 1x/week, keeping volume moderately low. Use the increased recovery that provides to provide a strong stimulus to your upper body, doing more benching, pressing, rowing and chin ups and maybe some dips and curls to round it out. Within a few months, you would likely find yourself with a more balanced physique.

Another option is to go gung ho on everything. If your lower body is ahead of your upper, it will grow more slowly as it's closer to its potential and everything balances out in the end.
 

balddemon

Banned
pullups or chin ups?

I'm up to 3x7 on pullups, will be 3x8 on Tuesday hopefully. been able to increase the rep count by 1 per set for the last few back workouts.
pullups are just so hard lol.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
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Took my own advice and got a deep tissue massage, since I had a bunch of kinks to work out.

*floats down the street on a bed of cotton candy*
 

Eidan

Member
I personally prefer pull-ups.

That reminds me, I meant to ask you guys something.

I've recently been experiencing some pain in my right shoulder. I only feel it when doing pull ups and chin ups. The pain is so severe that I can barely make it through a single pull up, but I can do several chin ups with only minor aggravation. I'm holding off on both for a month or two to let my shoulder heal, but do you guys have any idea what I could have done to cause it?
 

GiJoccin

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I've recently been experiencing some pain in my right shoulder. I only feel it when doing pull ups and chin ups. The pain is so severe that I can barely make it through a single pull up, but I can do several chin ups with only minor aggravation. I'm holding off on both for a month or two to let my shoulder heal, but do you guys have any idea what I could have done to cause it?

you must have pulled something specific to pullups. chinups use similar muscles but focus on different ones
 

f0nz0

Member
I personally prefer pull-ups.

That reminds me, I meant to ask you guys something.

I've recently been experiencing some pain in my right shoulder. I only feel it when doing pull ups and chin ups. The pain is so severe that I can barely make it through a single pull up, but I can do several chin ups with only minor aggravation. I'm holding off on both for a month or two to let my shoulder heal, but do you guys have any idea what I could have done to cause it?

Prob run of the mill shoulder impingement, chexk with your doc, but best lay off any shoulder movement until it heals
 

Noema

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Breakfast - Corn Flakes
Lunch - 2 fried eggs, 3 grilled bacon, peas or beans
Dinner - Pork/Stir Fry/Steak/Curry/whatever

I drink pure orange juice and water throughout the day too.

Dude, that's like half my breakfast. :p

And speaking of food, Justin from 70's Big has just released his "Paleo for Lifters" E-Book. Haven't read it yet, but his Texas Method E-books are pretty good.
 

Cudder

Member
Took my own advice and got a deep tissue massage, since I had a bunch of kinks to work out.

*floats down the street on a bed of cotton candy*
Massages are nice and all but the nice relaxing feelings always go away by the time I get to the parking lot. :/
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I personally prefer pull-ups.

That reminds me, I meant to ask you guys something.

I've recently been experiencing some pain in my right shoulder. I only feel it when doing pull ups and chin ups. The pain is so severe that I can barely make it through a single pull up, but I can do several chin ups with only minor aggravation. I'm holding off on both for a month or two to let my shoulder heal, but do you guys have any idea what I could have done to cause it?

Pull-ups utilize a lot of shoulder movement. This is part of what makes them harder than chins in addition to a larger ROM.

No telling what you did to cause it without knowing your routine.
Took my own advice and got a deep tissue massage, since I had a bunch of kinks to work out.

*floats down the street on a bed of cotton candy*

I'm due for one myself here in a month or so. Can't wait.
 

Noema

Member
For some reason I felt compelled to help a skinny fat 20 something kid with his squats yesterday. He was doing quarter squats with his neck tilted up, staring at the ceiling. They looked painful, and he seemed frustrated.

Turns out he's doing Starting Strength (or at least, trying to) . Never had I met someone else outside the internet who knew who Rippetoe was. He said: "I read the book from cover to cover", but very soon he demonstrated no knowledge of what he was supposed to be doing. Reading the book =/= looking at the pictures.

At first he was a bit defensive (which is understandable, because a shitty coach had taught him to squat in the horrible manner he was displaying), but as soon as he realized I kinda knew what I was talking about, doing my best Rippetoe impression ("Hip driiiive!") he seemed very eager to learn. Fixed his shitty squat in a jiffy, and also taught him how to deadlift. He was surprised by how much harder below parallel squats were in comparison to his quarter squats. He was like "Why do my hamstrings feel so sore?" to which I responded, "because you had never used them before".

Hopefully he won't be discouraged; So far all the friends I've tried to help train have quit after 4 or 5 workouts.
 

Mariolee

Member
Age: 17 (18 next month)
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 144 lb
Goal: Bigger pecs, arms, defined abs

Current Training Schedule:
- 3-4 Sets of Push Ups (First set is doing as many as I can, next sets contain 20-30 push ups)
- 2-3 Chair Dips
- As many pull ups as I can (only can do 5) :(
- 30-40 Sit Ups
- 30 Frog Crunches
- 30 Leg Crunches
- 30 Twist Crunches
- 30-40 Lying Floor Knee Raises
- 30 Seconds of Bicycle Kicks

*Not necessarily the order I do them in. Sometimes I like to mix up the order in order to not overstrain my muscles, though I don't know if this inhibits any progress.

Current Training Equipment Available:
- Chin Up Bar that can be used for push ups, sit ups, etc.

Comments: I basically haven't thoroughly worked out since my HS Track and Field days two years ago, and the 90 Day Pushup challenge thread inspired me to keep up with this New Years resolution, and I have surprisingly actually stuck with it. Less than a month ago I could only do 20 push ups maximum, and now if I push myself I can do 55! I know to a lot of you guys that may seem cute, but I see that as a small victory. I mean, gotta start somewhere right?
But I want to take this more seriously. I read over the OP and learned a lot of stuff, but unfortunately I have no access to a gym due to no access to money and parents won't lend me any on anything that isn't related to my education. All I have is my Chin Up bar, but my dad says that's all I need and he's still pretty ripped for someone at 49 so I'm inclined to heed his advice.

Anyway, the point is I want to know if my routine is enough. I still have a flabby chest and stomach fat, as well as skinny arms. I know the OP bodyweight exercises are awesome, but I didn't see any real schedule like you guys have for weightlifting which I can't do.

So, what kind of training schedule should I keep up? Would pics of my trash of a body help?
 

f0nz0

Member
Age: 17 (18 next month)
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 144 lb
Goal: Bigger pecs, arms, defined abs

Current Training Schedule:
- 3-4 Sets of Push Ups (First set is doing as many as I can, next sets contain 20-30 push ups)
- 2-3 Chair Dips
- As many chin ups as I can (only can do 5) :(
- 30-40 Sit Ups
- 30 Frog Crunches
- 30 Leg Crunches
- 30 Twist Crunches
- 30-40 Lying Floor Knee Raises
- 30 Seconds of Bicycle Kicks

*Not necessarily the order I do them in. Sometimes I like to mix up the order in order to not overstrain my muscles, though I don't know if this inhibits any progress.

Current Training Equipment Available:
- Chin Up Bar that can be used for push ups, sit ups, etc.

Comments: I basically haven't thoroughly worked out since my HS Track and Field days two years ago, and the 90 Day Pushup challenge thread inspired me to keep up with this New Years resolution, and I have surprisingly actually stuck with it. Less than a month ago I could only do 20 push ups maximum, and now if I push myself I can do 55! I know to a lot of you guys that may seem cute, but I see that as a small victory. I mean, gotta start somewhere right?
But I want to take this more seriously. I read over the OP and learned a lot of stuff, but unfortunately I have no access to a gym due to no access to money and parents won't lend me any on anything that isn't related to my education. All I have is my Chin Up bar, but my dad says that's all I need and he's still pretty ripped for someone at 49 so I'm inclined to heed his advice.

Anyway, the point is I want to know if my routine is enough. I still have a flabby chest and stomach fat, as well as skinny arms. I know the OP bodyweight exercises are awesome, but I didn't see any real schedule like you guys have for weightlifting which I can't do.

So, what kind of training schedule should I keep up? Would pics of my trash of a body help?

You might have to get creative with your push ups, hands wide, narrow, staggered,feet elevated,etc etc , also add weight to yourself, maybe put on your backpack filled with books to add resistance (make sure form is still good though)

Same thing with chinups, add weight to yourself yourself.

Youd be surprised how at the many ways you can use household for resistance training.
 

Mariolee

Member
You might have to get creative with your push ups, hands wide, narrow, staggered,feet elevated,etc etc , also add weight to yourself, maybe put on your backpack filled with books to add resistance (make sure form is still good though)

Same thing with chinups, add weight to yourself yourself.

Youd be surprised how at the many ways you can use household for resistance training.

Hmm, so is there a certain number of push ups or pull ups I should hit before even considering adding weight to myself?

Edit: Just realized I posted chin ups and not pull ups. I do pull ups because I heard it works out your chest more.
 

despire

Member
Hmm, so is there a certain number of push ups or pull ups I should hit before even considering adding weight to myself?

Edit: Just realized I posted chin ups and not pull ups. I do pull ups because I heard it works out your chest more.

Don't know about working out your chest more but pull-ups definately work more muscle mass and therefore are better.
 
Breakfast - Corn Flakes
Lunch - 2 fried eggs, 3 grilled bacon, peas or beans
Dinner - Pork/Stir Fry/Steak/Curry/whatever

I drink pure orange juice and water throughout the day too.
You are skinny right? So whatever excess fat you gain your body will be inclined to lose it, no reason not to eat more. If you aren't gaining weight eat calorie dense foods. ("bad" food)

Seriously all of that food is barely 1 meal for me.
 
Age: 17 (18 next month)
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 144 lb
Goal: Bigger pecs, arms, defined abs

Current Training Schedule:
- 3-4 Sets of Push Ups (First set is doing as many as I can, next sets contain 20-30 push ups)
- 2-3 Chair Dips
- As many pull ups as I can (only can do 5) :(
- 30-40 Sit Ups
- 30 Frog Crunches
- 30 Leg Crunches
- 30 Twist Crunches
- 30-40 Lying Floor Knee Raises
- 30 Seconds of Bicycle Kicks

*Not necessarily the order I do them in. Sometimes I like to mix up the order in order to not overstrain my muscles, though I don't know if this inhibits any progress.

Current Training Equipment Available:
- Chin Up Bar that can be used for push ups, sit ups, etc.

Comments: I basically haven't thoroughly worked out since my HS Track and Field days two years ago, and the 90 Day Pushup challenge thread inspired me to keep up with this New Years resolution, and I have surprisingly actually stuck with it. Less than a month ago I could only do 20 push ups maximum, and now if I push myself I can do 55! I know to a lot of you guys that may seem cute, but I see that as a small victory. I mean, gotta start somewhere right?
But I want to take this more seriously. I read over the OP and learned a lot of stuff, but unfortunately I have no access to a gym due to no access to money and parents won't lend me any on anything that isn't related to my education. All I have is my Chin Up bar, but my dad says that's all I need and he's still pretty ripped for someone at 49 so I'm inclined to heed his advice.

Anyway, the point is I want to know if my routine is enough. I still have a flabby chest and stomach fat, as well as skinny arms. I know the OP bodyweight exercises are awesome, but I didn't see any real schedule like you guys have for weightlifting which I can't do.

So, what kind of training schedule should I keep up? Would pics of my trash of a body help?

I think if you want bigger arms do everything you said you were going to do but add way more pushups and pullups (gradually of course). If you can afford it you could look into buying 2 dumbbells at 20lbs each. (buy one 20lb first then buy another when you build more muscle)That is what I started out with in my teen years. Also, if you do buy the dumbbells (20 bucks each) you will most definitely have to start out slow and get all the variation of the pushups/pullups out of the way, then work the dumbbells into the equation.

Trust me get the dumbbells as it opens up a whole new world to working out. You could always work out your arms with other things if dumbbells are not an option. I have used chairs, suitcases- full of stuff, and milk cartons (don't drop them)in the past. There is this really cool exercise where you take a towel lay on the ground flat and do a pull up of sorts while you hold the towel as tight as possible from hand to your other hand. Look into it.

hope I helped even a little
 

BadTaste

Member
You are skinny right? So whatever excess fat you gain your body will be inclined to lose it, no reason not to eat more. If you aren't gaining weight eat calorie dense foods. ("bad" food)

Seriously all of that food is barely 1 meal for me.

Ultimate skinniness yeah.

I just weighed myself this morning after going to the toilet.

I've gone from 58kg to 61kg in 4 days since starting this whole routine, so quite happy about that. That is a reasonable gain right?
 

1871

Member
Ultimate skinniness yeah.

I just weighed myself this morning after going to the toilet.

I've gone from 58kg to 61kg in 4 days since starting this whole routine, so quite happy about that. That is a reasonable gain right?

You can not expect much more.
 
I'm still working on my power clean technique, but I'm using Pendlay's teaching progression (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEyoH5FV03s).

It's a top-down approach similar to how Rippetoe teaches it. Basically work on getting a good rack position first, then progress from hang cleans to the floor. As for the starting position from the ground, you can do either hips high like a deadlift (Rippetoe) or hips low with shoulders directly above the bar (most other olympic coaches). If you want to progress your power clean to a squat clean just follow your PC with a front squat, then work towards eliminating the 'hesitation'. Best of luck!

That's a great video, thanks. I have a little problem though. I have a nearly weightless stick here at home so I'm practising the Power Clean form by starting with the Hang Clean. The problem is that for some reason I can't seem to put the bar on my shoulders to offload the weight from my wrists. It feels like my muscles can't do that angle. Maybe because I woke up an hour ago still am stiff. Here's what I mean:

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I can't do that angle yet. I'll try later after some warming up.
 
Ultimate skinniness yeah.

I just weighed myself this morning after going to the toilet.

I've gone from 58kg to 61kg in 4 days since starting this whole routine, so quite happy about that. That is a reasonable gain right?
Probably a lot of water/glycogen but positive nonetheless. It probably won't continue being that rapid from now on but make sure it's at least 2-3 kilos a month.
 
That's a great video, thanks. I have a little problem though. I have a nearly weightless stick here at home so I'm practising the Power Clean form by starting with the Hang Clean. The problem is that for some reason I can't seem to put the bar on my shoulders to offload the weight from my wrists. It feels like my muscles can't do that angle. Maybe because I woke up an hour ago still am stiff. Here's what I mean:

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I can't do that angle yet. I'll try later after some warming up.

Warm-up is always important, but it can be a mobility issue too. mobilitywod.com is your friend: http://www.mobilitywod.com/?s=front+rack
 

Mariolee

Member
Don't know about working out your chest more but pull-ups definately work more muscle mass and therefore are better.

Ah, I see. I'll stick with pull ups then.

I think if you want bigger arms do everything you said you were going to do but add way more pushups and pullups (gradually of course). If you can afford it you could look into buying 2 dumbbells at 20lbs each. (buy one 20lb first then buy another when you build more muscle)That is what I started out with in my teen years. Also, if you do buy the dumbbells (20 bucks each) you will most definitely have to start out slow and get all the variation of the pushups/pullups out of the way, then work the dumbbells into the equation.

Trust me get the dumbbells as it opens up a whole new world to working out. You could always work out your arms with other things if dumbbells are not an option. I have used chairs, suitcases- full of stuff, and milk cartons (don't drop them)in the past. There is this really cool exercise where you take a towel lay on the ground flat and do a pull up of sorts while you hold the towel as tight as possible from hand to your other hand. Look into it.

hope I helped even a little

Thanks, this does help a lot! Like I said, my parents won't let me buy any exercise equipment other than the Pull Up bar they've already bought me, so I'll try to look into finding household stuff to life as well.

What do you mean by adding way more pushups and pull ups? I know I'm not doing enough (like I said, I can do a max of 55 reps in one set of pushups, and 5 reps in one set of pull ups), but what is a number I should be aiming for just so that I have something to build towards?
 

newjeruse

Member
Settle an argument: what percentage of people living in the U.S. can do 10 or more pull ups? I say less than 1%. My friend says between 15-20%.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Settle an argument: what percentage of people living in the U.S. can do 10 or more pull ups? I say less than 1%. My friend says between 15-20%.

You're both wrong and quoting percentages out of your asses.

Here's a challenge for both of you.

Go find scientific articles that cover this.
 

Dash27

Member
Took my own advice and got a deep tissue massage, since I had a bunch of kinks to work out.

*floats down the street on a bed of cotton candy*

The guy who owns the gym I go to was talking this up a couple of weeks ago. Said it hurt like a bitch but he was raving about it afterwards.
 

newjeruse

Member
You're both wrong and quoting percentages out of your asses.

Here's a challenge for both of you.

Go find scientific articles that cover this.
Apparently this is a very sensitive issue for you. For us it was a fun hypothetical. We obviously tried to find an answer and could not. I doubt "scientific studies" answer that precise question. If you could point me to one, I would be forever grateful.
10%. You gotta remember all of the people that are really light and can get 10 pullups no problem.
That's what he says. I've seen too many "light" people fail at more than 4 or 5 to buy it though.
 

SamVimes

Member
It's kind of a longshot asking here, but does anyone know if it's absolutely necessary to lock your elbows when trying to do an l-sit to handstand?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Apparently this is a very sensitive issue for you. For us it was a fun hypothetical. We obviously tried to find an answer and could not. I doubt "scientific studies" answer that precise question. If you could point me to one, I would be forever grateful.

That's what he says. I've seen to many "light" people fail at more than 4 or 5 to buy it though.

No shit.
 

Dash27

Member
And speaking of food, Justin from 70's Big has just released his "Paleo for Lifters" E-Book. Haven't read it yet, but his Texas Method E-books are pretty good.

The result is that I maintain a sub-10% body fat while hovering between 210 and 215 pounds and can perform the following any day of the week: squat 450 for reps, press 225, deadlift 500, snatch 125kg, and clean and jerk 155kg.

See that's all I ask, is that so much? Well the 210-215 part will take me some time. I'll be happy if I'm lean at 180-185 right now. We'll see.

225 press, eff that guy.
 

f0nz0

Member
Hmm, so is there a certain number of push ups or pull ups I should hit before even considering adding weight to myself?

Edit: Just realized I posted chin ups and not pull ups. I do pull ups because I heard it works out your chest more.

If your focus is gaining size, you're gonna need to do 2 things, eat and lift heavy

If your repping out 55 pushups in one set you are really training for endurance and it probably will already be time to add weight to yourself

Imo you should be aiming to add weight to yourself where you can manage 8-15 reps a set for 3-4 set, you dont necessarily need to hit failure, but you do want to stress the muscles enough that it will force them to grow with good eating
 
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