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[muntersaur]

You see how that guy drops almost with no control? Whenever I do that I get fucking pain for days in the Vastus Medialus aka teardrop muscle inside and above the knee.
How do I get rid of this because it's really making it hard for me to spring up. I feel no resistance when I stretch it, so what gives.

This guy is in complete control as he is descending - he just gives the appearance of not being in control.

With that amount of weight, you cannot afford to not be in control. He is an elite lifter and has worked up to that over his whole career of training. Take your time, and eventually you (and I) will be able to give that illusion in the future

 

[Kyaw]

That feel when the wheel nut is too tight on the car to change tyre. I'm literally deadlifting the wrench with the best possible leverage and the whole backside of the car shifted up like two inches but the nut won't budge. I wanted to use my foot but my mom won't have it, goddamit.

 

[kylej]

PB Blaster bro

 

[Coldsnap]

I like GSLP, but I think that the AMRAP set might be too hard on the joints for rank novices (I'm talking about people who have never touched weights in their lives; for many of these people their joints are basically bubblegum, specially if they've been sitting on their asses for 30+ years). Even at such low weights, specially the OHP. People who can't even press the empty bar do exist, and they should take it easy at the beginning. (I know; I was one of them).

I think 3 months of SS are better at the beginning so they can get acquainted with the lifts, they can get to know their bodies better and they can get some increased joint / skeletal / cardiovascular integrity.

For advanced novices GSLP rules, because it makes resets fun instead of frustrating, which often happens in SS.

Then again, it's not such a big deal. It's not like a novice's dick is gonna fall off for doing GSLP instead of SS. Both work. Johnny Pain worked with Rippetoe and he knows his shit. SS might get you stronger a bit faster, and GSLP might get you a bit bigger. It's still much better than 99.9% of what people do at most gyms.



How much can you pull for 5? Might be a technique issue.

it was an overhead press I failed. 105 x 5. I press very strict so my max is lower than it could be.. Shoulders fully externally rotated, very narrow grip, no lumbar curve, no hip movement

it might have been just that I had shit sleep that week. I'm coming off a shoulder injury that is nearly rehabbed (fixing internally rotated shoulders takes forever) and I have video from last week of 110 x 3 that look easy and perfect

 

[Kyaw]

PB Blaster bro

WD-40? Haven't got any of that stuff, not very DIY savvy here.

It was sent to service yesterday, they might have just put it on too tightly.

 

[GabDX]

Where's that video of the Finnish dude squatting with his trainer yelling in the background? That was an awesome video.


Found it. Lol. This is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYScDcm9qBI

This might be a dumb question but aren't you supposed to avoid bouncing back up like in that video? Bouncing makes this exercise much easier but it's also really bad for your knees, no?

 

[blackflag]

What exactly do you mean by very narrow grip?

 

[kylej]

WD-40? Haven't got any of that stuff, not very DIY savvy here.

It was sent to service yesterday, they might have just put it on too tightly.

PB Blaster is a rust penetrator for bolts. WD-40 isn't as effective. The shop probably did torque them too tight, but in the future try a breaker bar and a penetrant like PB or Liquid Wrench.

 

[Entropia]

My gym amalgamated its training center and workout gym into one area that really can't hold all of it all. The personal trainer section is obviously off limits and, surprise, it has the better equipment. They also got rid of the squat rack... that's grounds for not renewing to me. Thankfully my membership is up in a couple of weeks. I had more success doing P90 at home.

 

[SeanR1221]

That feel when the wheel nut is too tight on the car to change tyre. I'm literally deadlifting the wrench with the best possible leverage and the whole backside of the car shifted up like two inches but the nut won't budge. I wanted to use my foot but my mom won't have it, goddamit.

What did I just read.

 

[blackflag]

My gym amalgamated its training center and workout gym into one area that really can't hold all of it all. The personal trainer section is obviously off limits and, surprise, it has the better equipment. They also got rid of the squat rack... that's grounds for not renewing to me. Thankfully my membership is up in a couple of weeks. I had more success doing P90 at home.

More and more going the planet fitness route. Depressing. Glad I have a Gold's near me that let's me do whatever I want

 

[Kyaw]

What did I just read.

What's wrong?

PB Blaster is a rust penetrator for bolts. WD-40 isn't as effective. The shop probably did torque them too tight, but in the future try a breaker bar and a penetrant like PB or Liquid Wrench.

A breaker bar would be nice. The nuts aren't corroded or rusty though.

 

[muntersaur]

This might be a dumb question but aren't you supposed to avoid bouncing back up like in that video? Bouncing makes this exercise much easier but it's also really bad for your knees, no?

If you do it with good form (like that olympic lifter), it will not be bad for your knees.

 

[Veezy]

I like GSLP, but I think that the AMRAP set might be too hard on the joints for rank novices (I'm talking about people who have never touched weights in their lives; for many of these people their joints are basically bubblegum, specially if they've been sitting on their asses for 30+ years). Even at such low weights, specially the OHP. People who can't even press the empty bar do exist, and they should take it easy at the beginning. (I know; I was one of them).

I think 3 months of SS are better at the beginning so they can get acquainted with the lifts, they can get to know their bodies better and they can get some increased joint / skeletal / cardiovascular integrity.

For advanced novices GSLP rules, because it makes resets fun instead of frustrating, which often happens in SS.

Then again, it's not such a big deal. It's not like a novice's dick is gonna fall off for doing GSLP instead of SS. Both work. Johnny Pain worked with Rippetoe and he knows his shit. SS might get you stronger a bit faster, and GSLP might get you a bit bigger. It's still much better than 99.9% of what people do at most gyms.

I have to say, I'm not I'm agreement with any of your points for gslp; that being said, I think a properly trained late novice can do it no problem.

I agree with both of you. I'm not saying that GSLP is optimal for a rank novice. I would agree that SS (not stronglifts) is better. However, from the angle of "what's more fun and will keep people coming back in," GS will generally be closer to that end and isn't going to kill anybody. Mostly because GS doesn't do squatting 3x per week right from the beginning.

My main point was to try to deter shitting people for wanting to do curls. GOSH. Fucking elitists.

it was an overhead press I failed. 105 x 5. I press very strict so my max is lower than it could be.. Shoulders fully externally rotated, very narrow grip, no lumbar curve, no hip movement

it might have been just that I had shit sleep that week. I'm coming off a shoulder injury that is nearly rehabbed (fixing internally rotated shoulders takes forever) and I have video from last week of 110 x 3 that look easy and perfect

Is there anything in this video that could help?

Also, there's nothing wrong with proper lumbar curvature. Just don't exaggerate it.

 

[muntersaur]

I recently made a complete novice do GSLP instead of SS because I knew he would find GSLP much more fun to do.

He is so neurally inefficient at the lifts that AMRAP has not caused him any joint issues.

 

[Cagey]

I think I asked a few months ago...

Anyone on Fitness-GAF living in NYC? I need to find a gym in the next couple months that won't cost me $100-150 because it thinks I want a spa and access to 37 yoga variant classes (eat a dick Equinox).

There's only so much I can do in this building's gym room. Only so creative a person can get with a smith machine, cable towers w/ row/pulldown extensions and DBs to 70.

 

[Coldsnap]

Is there anything in this video that could help?

Also, there's nothing wrong with proper lumbar curvature. Just don't exaggerate it.

That's how I press.

Here's a video of 107 x 3 from last week.

I had some major shoulder issues from years of olympic lifting that I should have addressed before transferring over to powerlifitng. That turned out biting me in the ass and I had a major shoulder impingement. Doctor told me to not overhead press and I was like screw that, 4 months of mashing myself with a lacross ball and posture correction I have full range of motion and getting strength back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6zp3EQLdY

 

[Mully]

I think I asked a few months ago...

Anyone on Fitness-GAF living in NYC? I need to find a gym in the next couple months that won't cost me $100-150 because it thinks I want a spa and access to 37 yoga variant classes (eat a dick Equinox).

There's only so much I can do in this building's gym room. Only so creative a person can get with a smith machine, cable towers w/ row/pulldown extensions and DBs to 70.

I go to Retro Fitness on Long Island. I know there's a few in the Brooklyn area. I'm sure there are a few on Manhattan. $20/month and there's normally two squat racks.

 

[PBY]

I think I asked a few months ago...

Anyone on Fitness-GAF living in NYC? I need to find a gym in the next couple months that won't cost me $100-150 because it thinks I want a spa and access to 37 yoga variant classes (eat a dick Equinox).

There's only so much I can do in this building's gym room. Only so creative a person can get with a smith machine, cable towers w/ row/pulldown extensions and DBs to 70.

I pay $70/month for Crunch. Their Union Square location is the best imho.

 

[Noema]

Where's that video of the Finnish dude squatting with his trainer yelling in the background? That was an awesome video.


Found it. Lol. This is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYScDcm9qBI

This is awesome. I love how the music sort of syncs up to the weights bouncing.

The guy is like a piston of squatting power.

 

[Cagey]

I go to Retro Fitness on Long Island. I know there's a few in the Brooklyn area. I'm sure there are a few on Manhattan. $20/month and there's normally two squat racks.

Retro is huge in NJ but there's none in Manhattan. Are they like Planet Fitness with restrictions on deadlifts?

Seems there's one 35 minutes via subway from me in Astoria. That's not a bad idea.

 

[abuC]

Retro is huge in NJ but there's none in Manhattan. Are they like Planet Fitness with restrictions on deadlifts?

Seems there's one 35 minutes via subway from me in Astoria. That's not a bad idea.

Go to New York Sports club, a core membership shouldn't run you more than $70 a month and you can go to any club off peak hours. Also, there's 24 hour fitness, not sure how much they charge but I've heard they are affordable.

As for planet fitness, I think they've removed free weights altogether.

 

[rando14]

Go to New York Sports club, a core membership shouldn't run you more than $70 a month and you can go to any club off peak hours. Also, there's 24 hour fitness, not sure how much they charge but I've heard they are affordable.

As for planet fitness, I think they've removed free weights altogether.

lmao

 

[FallingEdge]

Go to New York Sports club, a core membership shouldn't run you more than $70 a month and you can go to any club off peak hours. Also, there's 24 hour fitness, not sure how much they charge but I've heard they are affordable.

As for planet fitness, I think they've removed free weights altogether.

 

[cryptic]

This guy is in complete control as he is descending - he just gives the appearance of not being in control.

With that amount of weight, you cannot afford to not be in control. He is an elite lifter and has worked up to that over his whole career of training. Take your time, and eventually you (and I) will be able to give that illusion in the future

I'll just have to work on keeping extremely tight and pushing myself down like that because when I'm tensed I have trouble dropping that fast. So I figured that shit was just let go, then tighten at the bottom and up because the weight seems to throw him around on the descent. I guess that's just that amount of weight though.

 

[Mully]

Retro is huge in NJ but there's none in Manhattan. Are they like Planet Fitness with restrictions on deadlifts?

Seems there's one 35 minutes via subway from me in Astoria. That's not a bad idea.

They're fine with deadlifts. The trainers at my gym even spot check you and give pointers on your form. I can't say the same for the ones in Williamsburg.

As for planet fitness, I think they've removed free weights altogether.

AHAHAHA

 

[bjb]

Had the most awkward encounter ever at the gym today.

I should preface this by saying my gym is pretty varied in terms of member demographic. Its certainly has died down since the new year, but the place seems to have people from all age groups. Not just meat heads. Anyway, so I am semi-friendly with this older man that lifts pretty regularly. We usually run into each other once or twice a week and make small talk. Typical gym bullshit. He's always asking me about school, work or just exercises in general.

Today we're talking and I mentioned to him that I fucked my back up recently. Likely doing squats/rows/DL's on the same day with a disc problem I didn't even know about. He asks me at least two or three times what I'm "taking" for it, and I mentioned the doctor gave me a steroid and some pain meds. Otherwise just ice/heat therapy. Our conversation ends.

Flash forward to when I'm leaving. I head to the bathroom to wash my hands. I see him in there near his locker(?) and he motions me over. To make a long story short, he blatantly offered me growth hormones in the bathroom. He said he gets them "legally" through his doctor because of his age. In full disclosure - the guy is almost 60 and absolutely shredded. He proceeded to keep telling me how amazing they are and that they will significantly increase recovery time for almost injury. As well as gains. Oh, and that he'll cut me a "deal". He rambled on about how "incredible it would be for someone my age" and that "all major athletes and lifters use them". I had no idea what to say. It just felt really uncomfortable and I thanked him for his concern.

Has anyone ever had something like this happen? My god was it weird. I probably joke about HGH more than anyone here, but I never thought it would actually cross my path in the real world lol

 

[velociraptor]

Does a high protein diet induce kidney stones?

 

[SeanR1221]

Retro is huge in NJ but there's none in Manhattan. Are they like Planet Fitness with restrictions on deadlifts?

Seems there's one 35 minutes via subway from me in Astoria. That's not a bad idea.

My retro is awesome. They don't care that I use chalk, deadlift, squat without shoes, etc.

 

[rando14]

Had the most awkward encounter ever at the gym today.

I should preface this by saying my gym is pretty varied in terms of member demographic. Its certainly has died down since the new year, but the place seems to have people from all age groups. Not just meat heads. Anyway, so I am semi-friendly with this older man that lifts pretty regularly. We usually run into each other once or twice a week and make small talk. Typical gym bullshit. He's always asking me about school, work or just exercises in general.

Today we're talking and I mentioned to him that I fucked my back up recently. Likely doing squats/rows/DL's on the same day with a disc problem I didn't even know about. He asks me at least two or three times what I'm "taking" for it, and I mentioned the doctor gave me a steroid and some pain meds. Otherwise just ice/heat therapy. Our conversation ends.

Flash forward to when I'm leaving. I head to the bathroom to wash my hands. I see him in there near his locker(?) and he motions me over. To make a long story short, he blatantly offered me growth hormones in the bathroom. He said he gets them "legally" through his doctor because of his age. In full disclosure - the guy is almost 60 and absolutely shredded. He proceeded to keep telling me how amazing they are and that they will significantly increase recovery time for almost injury. As well as gains. Oh, and that he'll cut me a "deal". He rambled on about how "incredible it would be for someone my age" and that "all major athletes and lifters use them". I had no idea what to say. It just felt really uncomfortable and I thanked him for his concern.

Has anyone ever had something like this happen? My god was it weird. I probably joke about HGH more than anyone here, but I never thought it would actually cross my path in the real world lol

I wouldn't recommend any gear until one has just about maximized their natural potential.

 

[Veezy]

Does a high protein diet induce kidney stones?

No.

The claim that protein intake leads to kidney stones is another popular myth that is not supported by the facts. Although protein restricted diets are helpful for people who have kidney disease, eating meat does not cause kidney problems (10). Furthermore, the fat-soluble vitamins and saturated fatty acids found in animal foods are pivotal for properly functioning kidneys (11).

10. J. Dwyer. Amer Jnl of Pub Health, 1994, 848): 1299-1303.
11. M. Enig. Saturated fats and the kidneys. Wise Traditions, 2000, 1:3:49. Posted at http://www.westonaprice.org.

HOWEVER, if you already have kidney stones it may behoove you to not have a high protein diet.

 

[bjb]

Honestly I have never even entertained the thought. I'm not going to lie though - if it helped me heal my back quicker I'd definitely consider it. Well, maybe if he wasn't so sketchy.

I remember reading the Roger Clemens / Mitchell report how -some- MLB players would take them exclusively for healing injuries at unbelievable rates.

 

[Veezy]

Has anyone ever had something like this happen? My god was it weird. I probably joke about HGH more than anyone here, but I never thought it would actually cross my path in the real world lol

At one of the gyms I was at I knew a lot of people that were using. I also worked a few fitness conventions where there was plenty of goods on site.

I'm kinda numb to it, honestly. I've spent enough time learning about the chemicals to understand the politics behind them. Alcohol will fuck you up a lot worse.

 

[SeanR1221]

Ooooo 135x3x10 on my good mornings today.

 

[CrankyJay]

I don't understand how any gym could prevent you from doing deadlifts when you can drop a fucking bar on your neck or head on the bench...this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

[grumble]

I don't understand how any gym could prevent you from doing deadlifts when you can drop a fucking bar on your neck or head on the bench...this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

They balance liability with revenue. Most people don't DL, but most guys bench. A gym that didn't allow benching would lose that customer base. I've seen a lot of people hurt themselves deadlifting, but no one's died.

 

[rando14]

I always thought that banning deadlifts might be more related to sound complaints and chalk use.

 

[bjb]

Chalk residue doesn't bother me. A few clowns slamming down weights repeatedly can make me rage. Even with headphones on.

 

[Cudder]

Only went to the gym once this past week. Back on the horse tomorrow.

 

[runlikehell]

I've had the flu for two weeks and haven't been able to go swimming or to the gym, it's depressing me.

 

[TheDarkStark]

Had the most awkward encounter ever at the gym today.

I should preface this by saying my gym is pretty varied in terms of member demographic. Its certainly has died down since the new year, but the place seems to have people from all age groups. Not just meat heads. Anyway, so I am semi-friendly with this older man that lifts pretty regularly. We usually run into each other once or twice a week and make small talk. Typical gym bullshit. He's always asking me about school, work or just exercises in general.

Today we're talking and I mentioned to him that I fucked my back up recently. Likely doing squats/rows/DL's on the same day with a disc problem I didn't even know about. He asks me at least two or three times what I'm "taking" for it, and I mentioned the doctor gave me a steroid and some pain meds. Otherwise just ice/heat therapy. Our conversation ends.

Flash forward to when I'm leaving. I head to the bathroom to wash my hands. I see him in there near his locker(?) and he motions me over. To make a long story short, he blatantly offered me growth hormones in the bathroom. He said he gets them "legally" through his doctor because of his age. In full disclosure - the guy is almost 60 and absolutely shredded. He proceeded to keep telling me how amazing they are and that they will significantly increase recovery time for almost injury. As well as gains. Oh, and that he'll cut me a "deal". He rambled on about how "incredible it would be for someone my age" and that "all major athletes and lifters use them". I had no idea what to say. It just felt really uncomfortable and I thanked him for his concern.

Has anyone ever had something like this happen? My god was it weird. I probably joke about HGH more than anyone here, but I never thought it would actually cross my path in the real world lol

The "side effects" of HGH and steroids are vastly overblown. If you know what you're doing they're as harmless as any prescription drug out there.

Yes you can die from abusing them, just the same as you can die from abusing alcohol, pain killers, sleep aids, etc, etc (which are all completely legal) and unlike alcohol or other drugs you're only putting yourself at risk, and not others (DUI).

I will probably never take steroids or HGH, but I think it's funny how the average person looks down on people who do take them. This guy you're talking about is 60 years old.... who cares what he does with his body? It'd be different if he was a pro athlete and thus "cheating" all of his competition, but since he's not who is he hurting? Nobody.

This isn't a pro steroids/HGH post, I'm just saying don't judge people for something that you clearly know nothing about. Maybe you're not judging him, but your post came off a bit judgmental. And if you ever consider his offer, just make sure you do your research first.

 

[rando14]

The "side effects" of HGH and steroids are vastly overblown. If you know what you're doing they're as harmless as any prescription drug out there.

Yes you can die from abusing them, just the same as you can die from abusing alcohol, pain killers, sleep aids, etc, etc (which are all completely legal) and unlike alcohol or other drugs you're only putting yourself at risk, and not others (DUI).

I will probably never take steroids HGH, but I think it's funny how the average person looks down on people who do take them. This guy you're talking about is 60 years old.... who cares what he does with his body? It'd be different if he was a pro athlete and thus "cheating" all of his competition, but since he's not who is he hurting? Nobody.

This isn't a pro steroids/HGH post, I'm just saying don't judge people for something that you clearly know nothing about. Maybe you're not judging him, but your post came off a bit judgmental. And if you ever consider his offer, just make sure you do your research first.

I kinda wonder sometimes how I'll react to using HGH when I'm 60 (god willing). I imagine that I'd be interested at the least.

 

[Petrie]

I kinda wonder sometimes how I'll react to using HGH when I'm 60 (god willing). I imagine that I'd be interested at the least.

I think the fact that I'm diabetic and already "play" with insulin and such makes me less judgemental about such things. I've never used anything else, but I'm not opposed to it in the future. I'm relatively certain I have lower than average testosterone so leveling my playing field wouldn't bother me, just don't know enough to consider it thus far, nor am I at that level.

 

[cryptic]

The "side effects" of HGH and steroids are vastly overblown. If you know what you're doing they're as harmless as any prescription drug out there.

Yes you can die from abusing them, just the same as you can die from abusing alcohol, pain killers, sleep aids, etc, etc (which are all completely legal) and unlike alcohol or other drugs you're only putting yourself at risk, and not others (DUI).

I will probably never take steroids HGH, but I think it's funny how the average person looks down on people who do take them. This guy you're talking about is 60 years old.... who cares what he does with his body? It'd be different if he was a pro athlete and thus "cheating" all of his competition, but since he's not who is he hurting? Nobody.

This isn't a pro steroids/HGH post, I'm just saying don't judge people for something that you clearly know nothing about. Maybe you're not judging him, but your post came off a bit judgmental. And if you ever consider his offer, just make sure you do your research first.

On the other end of the spectrum here is some negatives of hgh.

http://www.litalee.com/documents/vE_i4.pdf

According to that,hgh is a stress hormone and the increased muscle weight from hgh is due to edema not growth.

Here's more:http://www.andrewkimblog.com/2012/08/growth-hormone-part-i.html

 

[TheDarkStark]

On the other end of the spectrum here is some negatives of hgh.

http://www.litalee.com/documents/vE_i4.pdf

According to that,hgh is a stress hormone and the increased muscle weight from hgh is due to edema not growth.

Here's more:http://www.andrewkimblog.com/2012/08/growth-hormone-part-i.html

No argument here, it certainly isn't a miracle cure and there are bound to be side effects as there are with anything else. That said it certainly does help aid in recovery. Science and our bodies are ever evolving, it's hard to pin down how beneficial something is or isn't because there are always unaccounted variables involved. Artificial Sweeteners have been approved by the FDA for like 50 years and yet there are still studies linking them with cancer, yet it's never been proven, only linked.

Pro athletes have the best scientists, doctors, and trainers that money can buy, if they're taking HGH, it's because it works.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

AFAIK, HGH doesn't require any PCT (post cycle therapy) like steroids do. If I was in the position where an acquaintance was offering me a deal on some and I knew it could help me get over an injury (disclaimer: I don't know how much more effective, if at all, HGH would be over your prescription) I'd probably take a few doses. As long as you're confident he's not trying to blackmail you or something then I don't really see a downside.

 

[cryptic]

No argument here, it certainly isn't a miracle cure and there are bound to be side effects as there are with anything else. That said it certainly does help aid in recovery. Science and our bodies are ever evolving, it's hard to pin down how beneficial something is or isn't because there are always unaccounted variables involved. Artificial Sweeteners have been approved by the FDA for like 50 years and yet there are still studies linking them with cancer, yet it's never been proven, only linked.

Pro athletes have the best scientists, doctors, and trainers that money can buy, if they're taking HGH, it's because it works.

They're also typically the first guinea pigs though, but I understand what you're saying.

 

[Mully]

Pro athletes have the best scientists, doctors, and trainers that money can buy, if they're taking HGH, it's because it works.

It works to an extent. They're using it because it helps them in that particular sport.

 

[TheDarkStark]

It works to an extent. They're using it because it helps them in that particular sport.

Steroids and HGH will help anyone in ANY sport... HGH helps you recover faster, there isn't an athlete in the world who couldn't benefit from that. Steroids can make you bigger, faster, stronger, recover faster, reduce your resting heart rate, give you more endurance, improve hand eye coordination. Again, not a single athlete in the world who wouldn't see huge benefits from that.

There are literally 1000's of different types of steroids, not all of them make you become huge. See Lance Armstrong.

Again I'm not advocating them, especially for athletes since they're banned and thus cheating. I'm just trying to get rid of some of the naivety out there. They're probably a hell of a lot more common than most people seem to think.

 

[blackflag]

You gotta take it for a long time to get effects and that shit is expensive.

I just started HRT and I can get this prescribed but its like 11 dollars per iu and minimum is like 4 iu per day for real gains at least 5 days a week. No, insurance won't cover it.