FL Gov Debate: Republican Rick Scott refuses to debate for 7 minutes because of a Fan

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ElFly said:
By his language you mean.....english?
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By "his language" I mean whatever language SkeptiMism natively speaks that, as he claims, has no word(s) that differentiates between "electric" and "electronic."

speculawyer said:
The rules did NOT say 'no fans'. He was wrong.

More importantly, He is not a judge of the rules (which he didn't even know).
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So what did the rules say, exactly? The screengrab posted earlier in this thread only shows a handwritten notation by the Crist camp adding an exception for a fan. Was that exception granted by the debate hosts and the Scott camp? I thought I read that the Crist camp released the rules, but my 15 second Googling hasn't found it.

Also, how the fuck does a debate moderator not know the rules? Not asking as a defense of one interpretation or another or to say you're wrong, just how the fuck to you get in the position to moderate a debate without knowing the fucking rules of the debate you're supposed to moderate!?
 
Squirrel Killer said:
Also, how the fuck does a debate moderator not know the rules? Not asking as a defense of one interpretation or another or to say you're wrong, just how the fuck to you get in the position to moderate a debate without knowing the fucking rules of the debate you're supposed to moderate!?
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Candy Crowley didn't know the rules and cost Romney the presidency.

(Am I doing this right?)
 
Squirrel Killer said:
By "his language" I mean whatever language SkeptiMism natively speaks that, as he claims, has no word(s) that differentiates between "electric" and "electronic."


So what did the rules say, exactly? The screengrab posted earlier in this thread only shows a handwritten notation by the Crist camp adding an exception for a fan. Was that exception granted by the debate hosts and the Scott camp? I thought I read that the Crist camp released the rules, but my 15 second Googling hasn't found it.

Also, how the fuck does a debate moderator not know the rules? Not asking as a defense of one interpretation or another or to say you're wrong, just how the fuck to you get in the position to moderate a debate without knowing the fucking rules of the debate you're supposed to moderate!?
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The rules said no electronic devices. However they were obviously referring to things like cell phones and other things of that nature that could be used to gain an unfair advantage in a debate.
 
B-Dubs said:
The rules said no electronic devices. However they were obviously referring to things like cell phones and other things of that nature that could be used to gain an unfair advantage in a debate.
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I've seen Crist's Candidate Letter of Agreement with the handwritten addendum saying fans are allowed, but I haven't seen the actual rule and whether or not anyone accepted Crist's modification. If we enter in to a written agreement, I can't just write in "* And you'll pay me one million dollars" at the bottom and expect it to be honored.

Given that Crist added the addendum about the fan, it seems that the "format outlined in the letter transmitted to me by Wendy Walker on behalf of the Decision 2014 - Before You Vote partnership on Friday, October 8, 2014" was at the very least unclear on that point. If that letter says "no electronics" then Scott is being a petulant juvenile that could have resolved any "unfairness" by getting a fan of his own. If it says "no electric devices" and no one accepted Crist's handwritten addendum, then the fan should not have been allowed to be placed on stage in the first place.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
I've seen Crist's Candidate Letter of Agreement with the handwritten addendum saying fans are allowed, but I haven't seen the actual rule and whether or not anyone accepted Crist's modification. If we enter in to a written agreement, I can't just write in "* And you'll pay me one million dollars" at the bottom and expect it to be honored.

Given that Crist added the addendum about the fan, it seems that the "format outlined in the letter transmitted to me by Wendy Walker on behalf of the Decision 2014 - Before You Vote partnership on Friday, October 8, 2014" was at the very least unclear on that point. If that letter says "no electronics" then Scott is being a petulant juvenile that could have resolved any "unfairness" by getting a fan of his own. If it says "no electric devices" and no one accepted Crist's handwritten addendum, then the fan should not have been allowed to be placed on stage in the first place.
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Then they should have also confiscated their watches before the debate. Those run on electricity. When the rule was come up with they had certain things in mind, they wanted to avoid one candidate having an unfair advantage. This is just a pedant's reading of the rules and you know it.
 
why are we debating this, a fan is not an electronic device.... lets stop parsing the meaning of the rule when it doesn't even apply
 
B-Dubs said:
Then they should have also confiscated their watches before the debate. Those run on electricity. When the rule was come up with they had certain things in mind, they wanted to avoid one candidate having an unfair advantage. This is just a pedant's reading of the rules and you know it.
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If the campaigns' debate teams negotiated the rules such that it said "no electric devices," then Scott's team probably negotiated that wording specificly so that it would deny the fan to Crist (or to force Crist's team to give Scott a concession somewhere else.) These nitpicky dustups happen all the time before debates; so and so's riser is half an inch taller than mine, is so and so allowed to walk around or does s/he have to stay at the podium - no one wants to get Nixoned again. It requires a pendant's reading of the rules, sure, but that's the exact game that the debate teams play.

Which is why looking at the primary source is so valuable. Does it say "no electronics?" If so, why were watches allowed (were they, I didn't scour the video that much - maybe they were verified to be solely mechanical watches.) Does it say "no electric devices?" If so, why was the fan allowed to be placed there in the first place? Does it say "no fans" (as the moderator, who apparently doesn't know the rules in the first place, said?) If so, how'd the Crist team let that one through?

You seem to be well versed in the rule, can you point me to a primary source?
 
Squirrel Killer said:
I've seen Crist's Candidate Letter of Agreement with the handwritten addendum saying fans are allowed, but I haven't seen the actual rule and whether or not anyone accepted Crist's modification. If we enter in to a written agreement, I can't just write in "* And you'll pay me one million dollars" at the bottom and expect it to be honored.

Given that Crist added the addendum about the fan, it seems that the "format outlined in the letter transmitted to me by Wendy Walker on behalf of the Decision 2014 - Before You Vote partnership on Friday, October 8, 2014" was at the very least unclear on that point. If that letter says "no electronics" then Scott is being a petulant juvenile that could have resolved any "unfairness" by getting a fan of his own. If it says "no electric devices" and no one accepted Crist's handwritten addendum, then the fan should not have been allowed to be placed on stage in the first place.
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This is aggressively pedantic.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
If the campaigns' debate teams negotiated the rules such that it said "no electric devices," then Scott's team probably negotiated that wording specificly so that it would deny the fan to Crist (or to force Crist's team to give Scott a concession somewhere else.) These nitpicky dustups happen all the time before debates; so and so's riser is half an inch taller than mine, is so and so allowed to walk around or does s/he have to stay at the podium - no one wants to get Nixoned again. It requires a pendant's reading of the rules, sure, but that's the exact game that the debate teams play.

Which is why looking at the primary source is so valuable. Does it say "no electronics?" If so, why were watches allowed (were they, I didn't scour the video that much - maybe they were verified to be solely mechanical watches.) Does it say "no electric devices?" If so, why was the fan allowed to be placed there in the first place? Does it say "no fans" (as the moderator, who apparently doesn't know the rules in the first place, said?) If so, how'd the Crist team let that one through?

You seem to be well versed in the rule, can you point me to a primary source?
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You really have the gift of being an annoying nitpicker. Perhaps you should see if you can work for the Scott campaign.

I've always felt your avatar was perfect for you . . . the facial expression tends to match what you write.

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who gives a turd about fans, scott is a piece of shit.

i don't want another round of his garbage in my state, i hope he gets the boot and croaks.
 
ivysaur12 said:
This is aggressively pedantic.
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Then what's the rule?

I've learned better than to trust media reports or either side of a disputed topic. I just want to know the actual rule, from a primary source, to figure out which candidate was actually in the wrong. I can assume the rule says "no electronics" like many posters have asserted, and blame Scott for being a whiny asshole. I can assume the rule says "no electric devices" or "no fans" as the moderator said and blame Crist for "cheating."

I don't want to assume. I know that sometime the asshole is on one side of the fence, sometimes the douche is on the other. The "Crist Cheated" people might be right, the "Scott Was Being Petulant" people might be right. I would prefer to know the truth than assume. I apologize if getting to the truth is "aggressively pedantic" to you.
 
I don't think there is a primary source in this sort of situation, but according to all the reporting I've read and Scott's own campaign, the rules said no electronic devices. The quote from Scott's campaign was complaining about "electronic" devices. Considering, ABC, NBC, NPR, the AP and CBS have reported that I think we can take it as fact. He was just being pedantic, odds are he was just hoping for an imagine of Crist sweating under the hot lights and got pissed when he found out he wouldn't get it.
 
Tesseract said:
who gives a turd about fans, scott is a piece of shit.

i don't want another round of his garbage in my state, i hope he gets the boot and croaks.
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High-five, buddy!!!

I can't believe that we voted Voldemort in...If things had gone differently, Medicare expansion would've already happened and high-speed would likely still be in the cards. It feels like we've been utterly stagnant since he arrived...which of course he touts as if it were an accomplishment. The putz.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
Then what's the rule?

I've learned better than to trust media reports or either side of a disputed topic. I just want to know the actual rule, from a primary source, to figure out which candidate was actually in the wrong. I can assume the rule says "no electronics" like many posters have asserted, and blame Scott for being a whiny asshole. I can assume the rule says "no electric devices" or "no fans" as the moderator said and blame Crist for "cheating."

I don't want to assume. I know that sometime the asshole is on one side of the fence, sometimes the douche is on the other. The "Crist Cheated" people might be right, the "Scott Was Being Petulant" people might be right. I would prefer to know the truth than assume. I apologize if getting to the truth is "aggressively pedantic" to you.
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All is fair in love, war, and politics...It doesn't matter what the rule is. Frankly, from seeing the reactions that Crist and Scott had, it seemed to me that Scott simply fell for a cheap stunt that should have been simply ignored. Instead, we have this wonderful image of Crist alone at the podium waiting...That image is Scott's fault and no one else.
 
B-Dubs said:
I don't think there is a primary source in this sort of situation, but according to all the reporting I've read and Scott's own campaign, the rules said no electronic devices. The quote from Scott's campaign was complaining about "electronic" devices. Considering, ABC, NBC, NPR, the AP and CBS have reported that I think we can take it as fact. He was just being pedantic, odds are he was just hoping for an imagine of Crist sweating under the hot lights and got pissed when he found out he wouldn't get it.
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Of course there's a primary source, if nothing else it would be the "format outlined in the letter transmitted to me by Wendy Walker on behalf of the Decision 2014 - Before You Vote partnership on Friday, October 8, 2014" unless there's a superseding document. However, if Scott says the ban was on "electronic" devices, then he's a fool who just killed his chances.
 
3rdman said:
All is fair in love, war, and politics...It doesn't matter what the rule is. Frankly, from seeing the reactions that Crist and Scott had, it seemed to me that Scott simply fell for a cheap stunt that should have been simply ignored. Instead, we have this wonderful image of Crist alone at the podium waiting...That image is Scott's fault and no one else.
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That image and this one:

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need to be plastered everywhere by Crist's campaign. That's lightning in a bottle right there. He needs to ride it back into office.
 
The Florida GOP twitter is embarrassing. They're trying to make it weird that crust always has fans when he's under hot lights. I'm honestly struggling to see who that's gonna work with. He's running for gov of Florida its freaking hot here. Fans are everywhere
 
APKmetsfan said:
The Florida GOP twitter is embarrassing. They're trying to make it weird that crust always has fans when he's under hot lights. I'm honestly struggling to see who that's gonna work with. He's running for gov of Florida its freaking hot here. Fans are everywhere
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Seriously, trying to make "wanting to be comfortable" a negative make the GOP appear petty and desperate.
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/charlie-crists-fan-a-love-story/381529/


In 2006, when Crist was state attorney general, competing in a tough Republican gubernatorial primary, the fan accompanied him onstage. It was August in Poinciana, a swampy Central Florida town south of Orlando, and the air was thick with moisture. His opponent, Tom Gallagher, looked at Crist’s fan and said to the moderator, “That’s not fair. Get another fan in here or I’m walking out.” The debate was delayed several minutes until a second fan could be found.

Gallagher was rattled. Maybe it was the fan. Crist won the election.
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Scott's team should have known it was coming
 
Squirrel Killer said:
By "his language" I mean whatever language SkeptiMism natively speaks that, as he claims, has no word(s) that differentiates between "electric" and "electronic."


So what did the rules say, exactly? The screengrab posted earlier in this thread only shows a handwritten notation by the Crist camp adding an exception for a fan. Was that exception granted by the debate hosts and the Scott camp? I thought I read that the Crist camp released the rules, but my 15 second Googling hasn't found it.

Also, how the fuck does a debate moderator not know the rules? Not asking as a defense of one interpretation or another or to say you're wrong, just how the fuck to you get in the position to moderate a debate without knowing the fucking rules of the debate you're supposed to moderate!?
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Why are you arguing about this rule (wrongly) instead of the indisputable fact that the candidate acted like a giant weird baby for seven minutes? He wasn't even smart enough to know when to let it go. Oh and he's a criminal.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/charlie-crists-fan-a-love-story/381529/

In 2006, when Crist was state attorney general, competing in a tough Republican gubernatorial primary, the fan accompanied him onstage. It was August in Poinciana, a swampy Central Florida town south of Orlando, and the air was thick with moisture. His opponent, Tom Gallagher, looked at Crist’s fan and said to the moderator, “That’s not fair. Get another fan in here or I’m walking out.” The debate was delayed several minutes until a second fan could be found.

Gallagher was rattled. Maybe it was the fan. Crist won the election.
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Scott's team should have known it was coming
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Reminds me of that Brave Little Toaster fan-fic I read a long time ago.

Really silly of Rick Scott to delay the debate.
 
speculawyer said:
Florida. ...the state where the more north you go the more south it gets.
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Lived in panama city for a few years might as well call it southern alabama the amount of churches and hicks have been seared in to my head permanently. Thank god I'm in the north again.
 
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