Erin S Kittens
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This country was founded on genocide and slavery, and currently represents the worst global imperialism this planet has seen.
Flag Desecration at Georgia school. Veteran arrested while trying to stop it.
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This country was founded on genocide and slavery, and currently represents the worst global imperialism this planet has seen.
King Tubby
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I don't know if we can speak as to what the specific intentions were. Just reminded me of the quote: "If you want a symbolic gesture, don't burn the flag; wash it." - Norman Thomas
The british would have a say in that one
l'm not even touching the other aspects of your posts, because lol, that one was just the most egregiously false one while the others are just flame bait.
I can agree with that.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Watch the news please.
HiredN00bs
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I don't wish to derail the thread. I'll PM you.
RunWhiteBoyRun
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I admit that I will be considered on the wrong side of this argument, and I can understand that. I feel the way I feel, ain't going to try and say it makes sense to anyone but me.
America's flag design is, like, C-tier at best.
lmao
Nope.
You can do anything with a US flag that you own. You can fly it, fly it upside down, burn it, or cut it up into equally sized squares if you want.
Now, if you're stealing someone else's flag to do it, then there's a problem.
Is what she said incorrect? If you disagree, why not share with the rest of us?
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Erin S Kittens
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I'd argue that current tech and implementation (internet surveillance, drones, nukes, etc) pushes far past the 'heights' they reached.
You'd be wrong.
Unless you're counting landing on the moon as "colonial territory".
King Tubby
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Hey now, I think that man would be the first to say that the flag protects everything he holds dear.
How would you feel if if you and people who look like you were constantly harassed by law enforcement and when you you try to protest the mistreatment, certain people care more about some flag than they do about your mistreatment.
guise pls
My bad.IThe internet, where everyone's a man?
Sometimes I think this would be a more appropriate icon for American ideology.
I'll wait until a man can safely rock the junk pouch without being wrongfully ostracized as being sexually threatening.
Elwood Blues
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What has this school taught us about the flag? I say the Pledge of Allegiance every day, but I don't know what it means. I hear The Star-Spangled Banner before very football game, but by oh say can you see, I'm looking for the guy with the peanuts. But today, I watched a grown man cry while his flag burned. And when I saw how much it meant to him, I realized how much it should have meant to me. So tomorrow, if you're sitting near me in detention, and one of your spitballs comes anywhere near that flag, you better watch your back. Tom Landry rules!
Those two aren't even close to being mutually exclusive...
Jest Chillin
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No, being a hypocrite means you say or do something that compromises your beliefs. It doesn't mean that you don't actually believe in them.
A Father who smokes cigarettes telling his son who smokes cigarettes to quit because it's unhealthy while he continues to smoke is hypocritical. He really believes cigarettes are unhealthy but his actions are hypocritical. This is completely normal human behavior. "X applies all the time... except when I don't want it to" is thought in a myriad of ways by tons of people. You can say that the person is weak willed, lacks integrity, or even is just selfish.. but you can't say that they don't actually believe their beliefs.
As much as people want to act like belief is binary, emotions conflict with the ability to abide by that.
Stereogatari
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I think national flags should be respected, they are (more often than not) neutral of governments and tied with ethnic groups and cultures rather than anything else. So they should be respected, the flags represent the country, I'd even go as far as to say burning it could be considered a discriminatory action towards citizens of that country/members of that ethnic group.
But then again, I'm from a culture where the flag is very pervasive and adored by all demographics, left and right wing, religious and non-religious, nationalistic and pro-ethnic rights.
In Turkey for example when the anti-Erdogan protests happened over Gezi Park, many of the protesters took Turkish flags with them, because to them the flag represents the ideals of a democratic country as the forefather intended. I think the US flag has a lot of the same connotations for many people.
What if said country has been doing alot of rotten things in the past few decades or so. lel.
Lime_In_Da_Coconut
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Aren't most US flags made in China? Mine is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._Johnson
Worth reading.
TLDR: Flag Burning is protected speech in the US.
……forgetit
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I think they're the same person, yes.
HiredN00bs
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All of the constitutional rights we have are to protect citizens from oppressive government. They are still used to this day, hundreds of years later.
They're being used in this video to protect the people's right to protest and free speech.
hate speech is protected?
Stereogatari
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Thanks, I'll give it a read. I will admit that I don't think the action should be illegal, but my own personal opinion is that it's an unnecessarily aggressive action.
It's not "the flag", it's a flag. A piece of cloth they bought. There's nothing special about it.
FTFY. Now it's correct.
Thatonemoor
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Well.... apparently this lady was a play boy model.
kittoo
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Holy shit I totally expected something else when I entered this thread. I always assumed Americans respect their flag very much. Thought people would be supporting this girl. Maybe I am biased as here in India we indeed respect our flag very much and it would be almost suicidal to walk on/burn the flag in public. So its interesting to see the kind of debate going on here. Very different perspective.
I like our flag but I also like that people are free to do with the flag as they want.
It's possible to like the flag but be against flag worship (forced Pledge of Allegiance for schoolkids, etc)
If you read anything about the drafting of the constitution and the founding of the United States. You would know that Slavery was an institution of Britain's colonialism. That it was so culturally entrenched in the culture, that the founding fathers decided that it was not the time to tackle the problem of enslavement.
Eventually the topic came up, and it was once again shelved. Not until Douglas Adams reinvigorated the debate.
But to say it wasn't trying to solve a particular class of oppression is just wrong. Many of the founding fathers knew slavery should be dismantled as well.
Outside of WW2 vets, there hasn't been a *single* veteran who "fought for american freedom and american safety" in the past 60 years.
So no?
I think it's a little unfortunate that people in general have been made to grow up believing that this "representation" of a country is so important to the extent of feeling the need to stomp on it just to make a point, while the Air Force woman felt she needed to steal it just to protect what she believes in.
It just seems pretty rough no matter how you look at it that people have to put so much stock into a piece of fabric, regardless of whether they feel positively or negatively about it.
It just seems pretty rough no matter how you look at it that people have to put so much stock into a piece of fabric, regardless of whether they feel positively or negatively about it.
Jest Chillin
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In the US it can be, yes. It's only illegal if it incites unlawful action or imminent danger.
King Tubby
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Yes it is, in the United States.
This is very common across the world. People support those with similar beliefs over all else.
This is very true. We see it all the time.
For an example, read through this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=979916
You'll find a number of people who support breaking the law simply because they don't like what the speaker is saying.
It is no different than what this woman has done. The concepts are exactly the same. Only the specifics differ.
HiredN00bs
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There's nothing in the language of the current U.S. constitution that limits which citizens are bestowed civil rights. In practice, it's a different story, and that is what we should be fighting to change.
Camelthepope
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I have 9 years in the military. I fully support anyone to do whatever they want to the flag. Its not my job as a military member to stop a protest by a US citizen.
I see that as opposed to my role in the military. I may not agree with them or what they are protesting on but its my job to defend their right to do so.
I see that as opposed to my role in the military. I may not agree with them or what they are protesting on but its my job to defend their right to do so.
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