I don't know what you're talking about but the fee has nothing to do with the player. Ashley is just tight when it comes to buying players.
For clubs like us, that is the best policy to have.
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I don't know what you're talking about but the fee has nothing to do with the player. Ashley is just tight when it comes to buying players.
For clubs like us, that is the best policy to have.
fadetoblack
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Lads, I figure I'd ask here before bumping a thread as I know some of you (Arnie?) use DNS rerouting to get access to US netflix. Playmo.tv is charging now. I'd rather not pay an additional cost if I don't have to. I've also used a trial at unblock-us which, as far as services go if I have to pay for one, I'd choose them since I can switch back and forth between content. But as I'm strapped for cash I'd rather see if there is a cheap (i.e. free) solution. Any clue?
Vivalaraza
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Correct. We now only buy overseas players or ones from lower league who are hungry.
I am ok with this.
Here's tonight's team - Gomes; Walker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Assou-Ekotto; Huddlestone, Livermore; Bentley, Sigurdsson, Lennon; Bale.
Huddlestone starting YEESSSSSSSS
No striker today, I guess Gylfi will nominally play up front.
A wild Gomes appeared!
hutton + stoke
a match made in heaven
Huddlestone starting YEESSSSSSSS
No striker today, I guess Gylfi will nominally play up front.
A wild Gomes appeared!
hutton + stoke
a match made in heaven
I'd take Downing back (at a low price). He was good here. I don't know how you broke him.
We could bring Milner home too. The club of misfit midfielders.
What makes you think that?
We've heard nothing new in a while about the transfer except for Sao Paolo maybe offering Lucas a new contract. And then the contract clause kicks in soon, so they will want more for him. And we don't seem willing to pay that much for a teenager.
What formations have we been playing would you say? I have seen varying reports from the US friendlies.
*sniffle*
When he was playing in central midfield for us he was one of the best in the country.
That goal against Sunderland....
its a 4-2-2-2
with the backs providing the width and the two pairs of two mids rotating fluidly with 3 staying close together to make a triangle with the 4th breaking away for a through ball option/
It started fairly orthodox and has become more and more extreme as each game goes by. At times during Chicago & Portland our "fullbacks" were forward wide players for much of the game.
When we dont have the ball we press extremely aggressively. If we win the ball back this works great, if we dont we can get caught very badly.
Vivalaraza
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Just got a feeling. I don't think the clause will make too much of a difference too, reckon Moura will happily waive that. He's said he is going to consider his future after the Olympics so I think it's still very much on.
I don't know what you're talking about but the fee has nothing to do with the player. Ashley is just tight when it comes to buying players.
I mean you shouldn't feel so bad because your club wasn't ever going to match Lille's price for Debuchy. You're sad now, and using ludicrous terms like 'goodbye', as if Debuchy's been kipping at Cabaye's for the last few weeks, but in reality it's just one transfer target that's slipped by, a bit like Carroll because it looks like Newcastle won't up their bid for him (wise move, in my opinion).
That a bannable offense, fade! You'll get 16 months or possibly 3, if you take the plea bargain. You'll be back just in time for Juventus - Inter in november.
Sigh. Also, sorry, I can't help you.
It really is "goodbye" when a player of his class is only going for 8m Euros.
fadetoblack
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Gah! If only I had Kuwaiti oil money to bail me out
I might just stick it out with UK stuff temporarily....
I might just stick it out with UK stuff temporarily....
I'm scared. We need another CM (Allen) and at least one more attacking player. Do we have the money, without having too sell too many more?
I think we'll get Allen. I also think we need a few attacking players, although I don't think we'll sell Carroll; the chances of him accepting a move to West Ham are slim, and I doubt Newcastle will raise their offer above £13 million.
Did you listen to The Anfield Wrap? Some ominous discussion regarding how much money we have.
No, what were they saying?
Vivalaraza
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Was just going to ask this.
What is LFC's budget? I thought FSG were going to put a bit of money into the club, not like City, but something substantial.
LabouredSubterfuge
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I was reading some speculation this morning that Liverpool are unwilling to pay more than £6 mill. for Dempsey. Could mean one of two things I suppose.
Well, it's all obviously speculation, but it's looking like this summer we're consolidating the wage bill first of all, trimming the fat and reinvesting in getting our best players to sign new contracts. Aquilani going is a big start, as are replacing experienced players like Kuyt and Maxi with young talent like Borini, who's only on £30 thousand a week.
In fairness to FSG they pumped in quite a bit of money last summer, an amount we can't expect each and every transfer window, and it's not their fault (well, mostly) that we spent it so poorly.
Most of the uncertainty arises in our lack of activity so far. Some believe we're only spending what we can make, and others think there's a big signing around the corner. In all actuality nobody really has a clue, it's clear that we're being more pragmatic than last summer, and I don't blame FSG, but I think we still need to make a proper marquee signing.
We've got the money, we just don't want to pay over the odds, especially after last summer.
We can't really win I suppose, if we spend over the odds then we're laughed at, and if we try to hold out for good market value then clubs won't sell. Luckily with the Dempsey deal in particular it seems that he is pushing for the move, which would make a swift conclusion easier. Let's hope Allen does the same, although I imagine Spurs will intervene.
Let the Glazers buy Newcastle. It'll make everything better.
Carroll saga is hilarious. Made up or not, tomorrow's headline will read: "West Ham offer Carroll 100k a week".
Don't feel like going bankrupt from debts piling up
Don't feel like going bankrupt from debts piling up
I still don't understand why West Ham want him. If Big Sam wants a battering ram there are much cheaper alternatives with little downgrade in ability.
Carroll and BFS have the same agent. Some crookery being planned.
As much as I like Bellamy, and he was magnificent for us last season, part of me wants to see him go so there's yet more evidence that we need to invest in our attack. We need to drop big money on a marquee striker, in my opinion.
Carroll won the most aerial duels in the league last season, playing for us. In Sam's system he'd be an absolute beast, make no mistake. I know Carroll's one big figure of hilarity to most, but you shouldn't underestimate his aerial ability, which is massive.
Vivalaraza
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Re:- The article I posted earlier.
I think I may have made a mistake. I suggested the IPO was already fully underwritten by the banks. I'm now unsure whether that is true. I think the position is it is only officially underwritten (as in the guarantee is signed that the banks will buy the shares) until just before it floats. For now the banks will be trying to fill up an order book so that they can confidently underwrite the IPO. No idea what the discounted price is going to be....but hopefully not even at a lower price will the banks be confident enough to underwrite this...then the IPO will fully fail and the Glazer's will be proper screwed.
Most likely they do underwrite it though...still, I'm hopeful.
I think I may have made a mistake. I suggested the IPO was already fully underwritten by the banks. I'm now unsure whether that is true. I think the position is it is only officially underwritten (as in the guarantee is signed that the banks will buy the shares) until just before it floats. For now the banks will be trying to fill up an order book so that they can confidently underwrite the IPO. No idea what the discounted price is going to be....but hopefully not even at a lower price will the banks be confident enough to underwrite this...then the IPO will fully fail and the Glazer's will be proper screwed.
Most likely they do underwrite it though...still, I'm hopeful.
But who would join?
He's going to be our Captain in Petrov's absence. Not going to happen.
That was the point that surprised me the most when reading it. I had no idea the banks had underwritten it, which would mean in a sense it couldn't fail, in reason. Would still be hugely humiliating for the Glazers, but the underwritten price would still be more than they need to fund the stake which they need, and so they wouldn't be as affected as United.
If it is underwritten, who owns the shares?
Fuck knows.
The club knew it hadn't replace Torres last summer, and after last season, that feeling must be even more apparent now. We need to offer big money to a big player, and hope for the best.
The new Nike advert is boss. Makes me want to buy a pair of Nike astros and start kicking a ball against a wall until my heels bleed.
NUMBER 9
I still can't determine where I stand on Carroll. On the one hand, when I'm pragmatic, I see a striker who doesn't fit our style of play, and on the other I see a hard working, improving, brute of an English centre forward who's capable of just making shit happen.
Kamakazie!
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Makes me laugh.
Hopefully it will be such a flop they are enticed to actually release shares that have value. 51% for the red knights to buy would be asking too much wouldn't it?
Surely they aren't this stupid / arrogant? If no institutions are buying in.... what are they expecting? Dumb fans to buy a few each as "souvenirs" or something?
Vivalaraza
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The bank will buy up the shares at the discounted price (usually it's like 10% less than the initial price).
What the bank does is sign either one of two agreements with the company (MUFC):
1) A "firm commitment" which means it is confident that it can buy up and then resell the shares or
2) A "best effort commitment" which means it can't guarantee it will sell the shares but it will try it's best.
The bank decides which way to go about it by using what they call an "order book" which is basically a list of investors it uses to buy up unwanted stock and it often includes other banks. Jeffries, the main (and second rate) bank which is leading this will be doing that now. If they can are confident enough they can buy up the stock and then sell it back at a higher price, they will underwrite it as a firm commitment (this by the way is how banks make money out of IPO's) and in that case the Glazer's have basically got their dosh. Option 2 is clearly bullshit and basically means the IPO is a fraud and nobody will go near it.
United fans have to hope that the bank fails to underwrite this...but something tells me they will manage it somehow, of course they will, the twats.
Thanks for that, makes sense now. You really do have a good grasp on this financial malarky.
AND Conte? It's the official CL runner ups day!
I really really REALLY hope this is true.
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