He could be a late sell.
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He could be a late sell.
Plus thing about Rooney is now that we've got RVP he's not a guaranteed starter, at least on current form. If United use 4-2-3-1 he does not easily fit in. Rooney is an excellent player in a few positions, but United now have better options in all of them.
Rooney could play as a centre-forward, but we have RVP. Rooney could play in the playmaking, probing role behind that central striker, but we have Kagawa. Rooney could even play out wide, but we have several wingers better suited to the job.
Can we take him on loan? He loves Newcastle.
Roland Garros
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Good article, but I disagree that it was only about money. I think he gnuinely had concerns at the time that City and Chelsea were outspending United and had more ambition and purpose in the transfer market.
He's... he's actually serious this agent fella, isn't he? Laughable.
He could be mistaken as a fan.
Vivalaraza
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That's basically how Rooney looks at it. Scored 30 goals last season, job done, getting smashed this summer.
It's a disgrace how over-weight and unfit he is right now. The other players who played in the Euro's (and actually played and were there for the whole camp, Rooney got an extra 2 week holiday) have turned up in much better shape than him.
Rooney at his best is better than either of them IMO. When he's on song, he's our best player and the best player in the league.
The problem with Rooney is, when he is good he's really good...but then when he's bad...oh dear.
Quite possible and likely, but it was the money that convinced him to sign. We haven't really looked intent in the transfer market until now, almost 2 years since he signed his contract and really, what kind of guarantees can you make in that situation? "Don't worry Wayne we're gonna sign some good players" - I know he's thick...but he'd have to be really thick to sign a 5 year contract off the back of that.
I love the cheerfully moral gloss on SPENDING LOADSA MONEY ON AN INSTANT TITLE-CHALLENGING ELEVEN
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Selling walcott would be a terrible move if we have no replacement planned. The ox would be forced into taking up that position, which is not ideal. He needs to play down the middle.
Jesus Navas has been rumoured as a potential replacement for quite a while. We could probably get a great price for Walcott from Liverpool.
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That could scamper any move.
I don't think we'll sell Rooney, but I'd be interested in what we'd do if we let him go.
IMO we probably wouldn't spend all the Rooney money on a world class striker. SAF would probably buy another defender and a winger. Then, if he felt like it, he'd finally get around to buying a midfielder.
United have RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez as senior strikers. Henriquez is also on his way too. I don't think we'd need another striker if Rooney was sold.
IMO we probably wouldn't spend all the Rooney money on a world class striker. SAF would probably buy another defender and a winger. Then, if he felt like it, he'd finally get around to buying a midfielder.
United have RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez as senior strikers. Henriquez is also on his way too. I don't think we'd need another striker if Rooney was sold.
It's just abjectly ludicrous (on Rooney's part, and on anybody else's) to compare the spending patterns of clubs trying to get to the top in one go to those of a regular, if stupendously successful, club with a strong youth setup and a fairly established squad.
Calling it "greater ambition" is dribble. If anything, it's ambition of a different kind, not a greater degree. The idea that City or Chelsea deserve credit for spending like mad is absurd even in the tiniest doses.
Roland Garros
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That's more of an issue for people looking on with envy than those who can enjoy the fruits of such a situation. I can assure you the fact we had "earned" our success with oil money caused no asterix to pop up in my head as we celebrated the title last season.
Nor has it since. Not sure about other City fans but it's not a moral quandary I encounter frequently.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. I just disagreed with the fact it was only money that caused him to go public with his frustrations... but like you said, it was more than likely mostly about money because they didn't make any significant signings until this year.
Roland Garros
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Someone needs to patch in his new hair.
Definitely no asterisk. It's just that there was no intellectually reputable comparison to be made between the spending patterns of United and City/Chelsea at the time of the Rooney wobble. And to equate spending patterns with ambition is sort of Leeds-ish thinking, which even excluding the way they exploded, isn't a good road to go down.
Having "concerns that City and Chelsea were outspending United" is the reddest of herrings. Pure Stretford shite. Of course they were. Of course they would.
Well as I mentioned, Walcott will have the English tax so we'd get a good price for him. He seems to have been a long-term target for Arsenal as we've been rumoured pretty much every summer.
Yeah I agree. City's spending pattern was quick and dirty. It was just snap up the best players we can and offer them a shed load of cash, cause that's all we could offer them. We had a finite amount of time to build a title winning squad.
United, they can offer them a lot of cash and a lot more. It was always a risk a player choosing City over any other top club.
But what about their name on the best site in the world?
And I have no overwhelming problem with this. I get it.
The Stretford/Rooney angle that United were naturally obliged to compete (in straightforwardly monetary terms) with this hyper-accelerated project bothers me more, because it's so fucking cynical. At least City were doing it for silverware.
Even if Arsenal had the money, I have my doubts if Wenger would actually spend it on one player.
You're quite sure that's not one of those Bayern-patented "YOU ARE THE NEW SIGNING" things ?
I was looking around and a couple of places quoted a bid of €15m so I wouldn't rule it out.
Roland Garros
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That is adorable.
Also, had no idea the Anfield bech areas were so close together. That must get awkward sometimes.
José Mourinho
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Completely unrelated to Football. My laptop died on Saturday with HDD failure. My PC followed suit today. Never had HDD failure in my life and then two go in four days.
Vivalaraza
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Don't worry dc, it's probably cos Mansour doesn't carry small change. He needs to break a £25m note.
Goal.com reckon Nani wants a £5m pay off if he's forced to leave. It's like an inside out agents fee. Genius. Nani stays with us.
Goal.com reckon Nani wants a £5m pay off if he's forced to leave. It's like an inside out agents fee. Genius. Nani stays with us.
Just finished the first episode of season four. Good shit. Still don't think its god-tier so far as the only character I think is incredibly awesome is Walt, but it's vastly entertaining stuff.
He can piss off if he wants a £5m pay off.
José Mourinho
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Nightmare. I now have to back up what I can and check for bad sectors etc. So that should be a day wasted on that. Takes forever.My SSD died the other week.
:lol paradox.
Vivalaraza
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But that's just it. He can't. It's perfect. Nani doesn't want to leave, he's found our weak spot and is exploiting it to ensure he stays.
Love you long time Naanbread.
IMO if SAF really wants Nani gone then he'll be on his way soon enough.
The club and the player would probably reach a compromise and we'd sell him to Spurs for peanuts.
I've caught up completely now and I'd agree that it isn't god-tier, very good show though.
Don't think Nani will go but it will fuck me off if he plays shite for 75% of the season while putting in magnificent performances in the other quarter that make me dream of what he could do if he was consistent.
Just sell him and get me Nathan Dyer.
Just sell him and get me Nathan Dyer.
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