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Football Thread 2013/14 |ot21| Get a refund.
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Mr.Marston
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Oh shit the 'big club' debate
The_Hitcher89
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That you're still in Pot 2 in CL seedings is telling and if Man Utd had not committed seppuku this season you'd be in Pot 3. You're certainly on the way there.
Lana Del Rey
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PSG got to the quarters in the CL two years in a row. That's enough viewers for UEFA to consider them a big club.
Steverulez
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We got an oil baron to buy us who doesn't need the money and bought a player who is highly desired in the market and based Emenalo, Jose, Gourlay combination to do the negotiations.
And they go in trouble for abusing our disabled fans iirc.
He has CL/FA cup/EL medals, he can tell Blanc how not to bottle it next time we play them.
Don't Laugh
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beckham doesn't play for small clubs
johnthequad
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Seems like it's working just fine.
Man City is still trying to build it's brand. They have no where near the pull of Liverpoool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea
Steverulez
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Wat
Ramsey? No thanks. Did you see that table that showed we had the second least days lost for injuries last season? Don't need that increasing.
So why do your players keep leaving Arsenal to join Man City?
johnthequad
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Lol "seppuku" love that reference.
The_Hitcher89
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If Luiz had played for PSG the way he has for Chelsea, roles reversed, how much would you be willing to pay for him?
I genuinely don't think he's worth more than £18m. Probably about £15m tbh.
A large amount of trophies or a period of sustained success domestically and in Europe.
A large average attendance within the stadium, or at least evidence of a huge fanbase worldwide or within their home country.
A consistent period of time being at the top end of their domestic league as well as making regular appearances season on season in Europe.
And of course, to be within the top division of their domestic leagues and in the top eight teams in that country whilst meeting all the above.
That's what I'd bring it down to.
FFS you just bought Fellaini for a fee and pay him the same.
£120k a week includes the sign-on fee, which is high when he comes on a free.
Ramsey's injury wasn't a sign of any inherent fragility, Wenger just overplayed him because he was almost single handedly winning us games with his offensive and defensive contribution. Any ways hands off, you can go for Rakitic.
Steverulez
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When he's good, I think he's great, it just doesn't happen that often. We paid £21m~ plus Matic (valued at £5m I think?), if we were selling him to a team that doesn't have big bucks that are splashed around at the latest big name in the papers, your £18m assessment would probably be right although i'd hope we could get more.
But PSG have money and want everyone to know it, so £30m/£35m would probably be about right, £40m is just gravy.
Imagine if it was £50m, we should pay Torres to leave
johnthequad
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Money simple. If both clubs had equal financial capabilities most players would join Arsenal. Aguero was a Liverpool fan but they couldn't afford him so he chose City. Yaya wouldn't be doing what he's doing now if he played for a dominant United or Chelsea.
8/10 first viewing, 9 on second
No it doesn't the sing on fee is separate from the wages in most free transfers. He could get something like 2-5m sign on and then his wages would be a fixed amount.
johnthequad
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Exactly this is what I mean. Until City achieve this no one will consider them a truly elite "big club". Chelsea have done this so it definitely possible with the right amount of money.
flintstryker
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Pretty sure this was confirmed bs
Everton is a big club re/confirmed.
Mr.Marston
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We make enough money and have made enough money so that we were going in the right direction long ago
And why would the 120k a week include the signing on fee? Who reports contracts like that? Why would his signing on fee be included and broken up weekly?
I think FFP is quite silly to be honest; limits the chances of teams challenging at the top from poorer positions, and isn't enforced enough in the areas that do matter.
The_Hitcher89
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Size of fanbase
Historic success
Recent success
European success
Financial worth
Current quality of team
Merchandising and franchise power
They're the criteria I think. You can be a big club by only hitting 2 or so of those marks imo.
Historic success
Recent success
European success
Financial worth
Current quality of team
Merchandising and franchise power
They're the criteria I think. You can be a big club by only hitting 2 or so of those marks imo.
Really? I'd give it a 7/10 at best.
I felt like I was watching two films, a brilliant monster film and a really corny military movie. Aaron Johnson was boring as shit as the lead. They shouldn't of killed of Cranston so early. That interrogation scene is fucking brilliant.
City are getting him on a free. Buying someone else for £10m on a three-year-contract means an additional £50k a week on the salary (unless he's sold on, then it goes down). Plus, we don't know if it's £120k, both £80k and £100k are being reported.
Yes playboy
Give it whatever title you want
May the budo be with you in your mind and your body and your spirit and your anus
(But wait 15 pages)
The_Hitcher89
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It's about value. Fellaini, proven PL player, was deemed worth £28m and £120k a week. Surely can an incredibly proven CL-experienced player can be worth a similar salary and no fee?
As I said, last night, I really liked the new X-men movie and I hate Superheroes movies. A not so bad script goes a long way to improve any movie.
Everton big Club stature re/re/confirmed
Everton big Club stature re/re/confirmed
FortuneFaded
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Joe Cole, Jack Collison and George McCartney have been released by West Ham and Shola has left Newcastle.
I really loved it. I don't think it was corny; generic, safe. But it makes sense narratively in order to be close to the action.
regarding Cranston, it would have been nice for him to hang around for longer. But in the OT you have people who are knocking the length and pacing, then clamouring for more Godzilla, then still in the same sentence wanting Cranston to be alongside Watanabe and getting way more screen time. These aren't criticisms that would improve the film, they're just ones made with no semblance of how screenwriting works.
I absolutely accept a lot of people will have problems with the lack of characterisation, but everything that was happening to them was interesting enough that it didn't really matter they weren't interesting.
Arsenal offered him 80k, so no way it's that.
But Fellaini shouldn't be deemed worth 28m and 120k a week. Just because it happened doesn't mean it should happen again.
If Manchester United jumped off a cliff, would City do the same?
johnthequad
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Shola can definitely still play in the EPL if he has a decent world cup a team like Leicester or Hull should pick him up.
So now Yaya has deleted the everything is true tweet as well and just the original one about the card arriving late remains. Too funny. What a clusterfuck with his Twitter.
If he got the same offer from both clubs, he'd be silly to not take the City offer. Arsenal can only in theory offer more play time and at his age, that's realistically not priority number 1 -- titles and security are. It's a better one for him especially as it is 3 years versus 2 apparently. But it's all moot anyway since we'll never know either way what his true offers were. Football needs to be completely transparent like US sports contracts.
If he got the same offer from both clubs, he'd be silly to not take the City offer. Arsenal can only in theory offer more play time and at his age, that's realistically not priority number 1 -- titles and security are. It's a better one for him especially as it is 3 years versus 2 apparently. But it's all moot anyway since we'll never know either way what his true offers were. Football needs to be completely transparent like US sports contracts.
I edited it before your post, it was:
"It's about value. Fellaini, proven PL player, was deemed worth £28m and £120k a week. Surely can an incredibly proven CL-experienced player can be worth a similar salary and no fee?"
~£100k (without a transfer fee) for a very experienced CL defender is not horrible. That's what you simply need to pay for a proven CL player this year. Fellaini was a proven PL player and that's what he was deemed worth and few complained about the salary back then, it was mostly about the fee IIRC. Sagna has been a very good player this year, even at 31.
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