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NHale said:
Do you think so? Bailly looks good/great even if he makes silly mistakes from time to time (like he did with that stupid cleareance against Swansea), Phil Jones is solid but it's a injury risk everytime he wakes up, Rojo is a walking red card waiting to happen, Blind is too small and can't play there against better squads, Smalling is terrible any day of the week and twice on Saturdays and Lindelof is unproven and imho not good enough yet for Man United.

I still think this Manchester United doesn't have the depth required to compete for anything this year. I looked at that bench on Saturday and only saw 2 good players there (Herrera and Martial). Although to be fair Fellaini has been one of the better United players so far. What a crazy universe...
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United will be contending for the league, all banter aside. Even last season we had a great defensive record, it was upfront there was issues galore. Matic coming in now only makes things even better for the defence.

We kept more clean sheets and conceded less goals than Chelsea last season.

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The issue was goals and in attack. Yes, these first two games are against weaker opponents, but it's still 2 clean sheets already.
 
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West Ham apparently has to increase their offer once again for William Carvalho. Apparently Sporting now is asking for €38M for their 80% share (so they have to pay €8M more to the other parties). They were asking €35M a couple of weeks ago and then West Ham accepted it.

Right now I believe every rumor about West Ham being used to drive the interest for William Carvalho from their agents.
 
Lashley

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Why does he wear the mask!?
NHale said:
West Ham apparently has to increase their offer once again for William Carvalho. Apparently Sporting now is asking for €38M for their 80% share (so they have to pay €8M more to the other parties). They were asking €35M a couple of weeks ago and then West Ham accepted it.

Right now I believe every rumor about West Ham being used to drive the interest for William Carvalho from their agents.
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He isn't worth that price
 
Lashley

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Why does he wear the mask!?
We should just sell Jenko

Birmingham City have signed Arsenal's Carl Jenkinson and Cohen Bramall on loan until the end of the season.

Right-back Jenkinson, 25, made just five appearances for Arsenal last season after spending the previous two campaigns on loan with West Ham.

Left-back Bramall, 21, moves after joining the Gunners from non-league side Hednesford Town in January.

Both defenders could make their debuts in Tuesday's EFL Cup second round tie against Bournemouth at St Andrew's.

Jenkinson departs on his third loan spell in four seasons, having made 62 appearances for Arsenal since arriving from Charlton in 2011.

Bramall is yet to play for Arsenal's first team after his move from Hednesford, but was a part of the club's pre-season tour of Australia and China.

They are Birmingham's fifth and sixth signings this summer, following David Stockdale, Marc Roberts, Cheikh N'Doye and Isaac Vassell's arrivals at the club.
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Joyce is saying it's VVD or nothing for us, defense wise. Wonder what Klopp sees in training that doesn't come out on the pitch.

Also says we're not in for Draxler, but are still thinking about a CM. Kloppo pls.
 
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Lashley said:
I think another reason why Liverpool are disliked is their fans each and every season proclaiming that this is their year. You could argue that it's a minority, but it does happen.

Weirdly, our fans do it too? Like, are they actually fucking mental?
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Twitter and the like? yeah its annoying as fuck.

Markitron said:
You know this is a myth right? If it was ever a thing, then it died out over a decade ago.

If Liverpool were 6 points clear at the top of the table with one game to go, I still wouldn't expect us to win the league.



Liverpool fans hate Souness more than anyone. For me the most annoying one is Martin Tyler, whom I refer to as Manc Prime.
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Souness has a lot of bad rep on Merseyside and his time as LFC's manager wasn't good. He also did some things he shouldn't have done and he knows it.
Not all Liverpool fans hate him though, there are lots of fans around who remember him as a player and he's up there with the best.
 
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caramac said:
Souness has a lot of bad rep on Merseyside and his time as LFC's manager wasn't good. He also did some things he shouldn't have done and he knows it.
Not all Liverpool fans hate him though, there are lots of fans around who remember him as a player and he's up there with the best.
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I wasn't old enough to remember any of the good stuff, my first impressions of him were as manager and since then as an extreme moaner with the hottest of hot takes.

A while back he was to appear as a pundit on Irish TV, he was delayed at the airport and ended up getting a police escort to get him there on time. Seen as how police escorts are usually reserved for emergencies, this did not go down well with the Irish public.
 
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King_Moc said:
As a Liverpool fan, I agree with this. The number of times when 2 or all the pundits are ex Liverpool players is a little absurd.
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I get the impression that Carragher is actually working pretty hard at it and trying to get better, but pretty much all the others seem to just coast by and don't do any homework.
 
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Van Dijk back in training

Saints Squad for this season:

Gk:
Forster
McCarthy

Rb:
Cedric
Pied

Cb:
Van Dijk
Hoedt
Stephens
Yoshida

Lb:
Bertrand
Targett
McQueen

Dm:
Romeu
Lemina
Hojberg
Davis

Rw:
Redmond
Prowse

Am:
Tadic


Lw:
Boufal
Sims

For:
Gabbiadini
Austin
Long
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Attacking mid to come, Saints are looking strong.
 
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tim.mbp said:
8th place wrapped up.
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Leicester will finish 8th IMO.

Timbuktu said:
I get the impression that Carragher is actually working pretty hard at it and trying to get better, but pretty much all the others seem to just coast by and don't do any homework.
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Carra and Neville are the only ex-pros I have seen that take their job seriously, which is why they are head and shoulders above everyone else. All other ex-pro's spout platitudes in place of critical thinking and pass off any old twitter ITK nonsense as insight. I recently watched Pardew on some Sky show and that man can barely speak English.
 
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People have to remember. One of the top teams has to play like shit like every season.

Specially with Spurs playing at Wembley....
 
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Audioboxer said:
Once Coutinho says bye Liverpool HQ be like

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They'll be chomping at the bit to sign Lingard.
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They literally can't sell him. Imagine failing to sign two players after their clubs saying they're not for sale, only to sell our best player after putting out a statement saying he's not for sale.

There would be riots.
 
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Audioboxer said:
The Hillsborough disaster coming to its conclusion should really stop some of that.
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I mean, this conveniently forgets Heysel happening just 3 years before, something which really did a number on English football as a larger whole at the time. A lot of football fans, especially those who have followed the game since the 70's and 80's, will always despise Liverpool. I always find it interesting that my step dad - a Forest fan who was at Hillsborough in 89 - hates Liverpool and from knowing and spending quite a chunk of my life in and around Nottingham, he's not alone in that amongst Forest fans.

Liverpool are not at all popular amongst other football fans in the UK and the Hillsborough verdict won't change that at all in a broader sense. It's a very different and deeper dislike than Chelsea or City.

Personally my only beef with Liverpool is by extension that Man United have always been my "big club" of choice. A lot of their fans are wankers but that's football!

Crab said:
Okay, FootieGAF. I moved to England too old to have picked up the kind of blood and guts fanatic association with an individual team, but I like the sport and want to have a better investment in it locally. How do I pick a team to follow?
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The best way to get involved on that level really is to support your local club, even if they're crap! League One isn't THAT bad a standard. This year's League One looks so hard to call there's every chance Oxford could have a great season.
 
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Bumhead said:
I mean, this conveniently forgets Heysel happening just 3 years before, something which really did a number on English football as a larger whole at the time.
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I know it's not what you are doing, so I'm not calling you out, but it always disgusts me how some rival fans bring up Heysel as some kind of counterpoint to Hillsborough as if the two are connected. Most notable examples are 'JFT39' and when Utd fans chant 'The Sun was right, murderers' during every Liverpool game in their thousands.

Those scumbags that caused those deaths were correctly held accountable and were punished. This has nothing to do with the Yorkshire police's negligence getting 96 people killed.
 
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Bumhead said:
I mean, this conveniently forgets Heysel happening just 3 years before, something which really did a number on English football as a larger whole at the time. A lot of football fans, especially those who have followed the game since the 70's and 80's, will always despise Liverpool. I always find it interesting that my step dad - a Forest fan who was at Hillsborough in 89 - hates Liverpool and from knowing and spending quite a chunk of my life in and around Nottingham, he's not alone in that amongst Forest fans.

Liverpool are not at all popular amongst other football fans in the UK and the Hillsborough verdict won't change that at all in a broader sense. It's a very different and deeper dislike than Chelsea or City.

Personally my only beef with Liverpool is by extension that Man United have always been my "big club" of choice. A lot of their fans are wankers but that's football!



The best way to get involved on that level really is to support your local club, even if they're crap! League One isn't THAT bad a standard. This year's League One looks so hard to call there's every chance Oxford could have a great season.
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Apart from Derby Forest never really had a fierce rivalry with anyone (maybe to an extent throw Leicester in there)
Regarding their self proclaimed massive rivalry with Liverpool it was always from their side really.

*edit, but yeah you're right. They still hate Liverpool with a passion, I worked for a company in Nottingham for nearly 30 years.
 
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Markitron said:
I know it's not what you are doing, so I'm not calling you out, but it always disgusts me how some rival fans bring up Heysel as some kind of counterpoint to Hillsborough as if the two are connected. Most notable examples are 'JFT39' and when Utd fans chant 'The Sun was right, murderers' during every Liverpool game in their thousands.

Those scumbags that caused those deaths were correctly held accountable and were punished. This has nothing to do with the Yorkshire police's negligence getting 96 people killed.
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I think you're being a bit kind there, reads to me like its exactly what he's doing
 
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caramac said:
Apart from Derby Forest never really had a fierce rivalry with anyone (maybe to an extent throw Leicester in there)
Regarding their self proclaimed massive rivalry with Liverpool it was always from their side really.
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Would that rivalry not have been real enough in the late 70's? They were pretty much Liverpool's only real rivals in Europe anyway (not that I remember ofc).

If there are any Forest fans that still think they have a rivalry with Liverpool, they are obviously delusional.

TimmmV said:
I think you're being a bit kind there, reads to me like its exactly what he's doing
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Perhaps, but it's a touchy topic for Liverpool fans and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt before sticking the boot in.
 
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For some good old football fuckery

Supporters of both clubs have condemned homophobic abuse after anti-gay chanting was heard during Leicester's match against Brighton.

Two Foxes fans were arrested during their team's 2-0 home win over the Seagulls on Saturday.

Brighton Supporters Club's vice chair said such chanting was "disgusting" and the club should be fined and anyone responsible banned from the stadium.

The chairman of Foxes Pride said abuse was "offensive" and "unacceptable".
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-41000016

Female football fans were asked to show their bras to stewards during security searches, a supporters' group has said.

Grimsby Town fan group the Mariners Trust made the allegation in a letter to Stevenage FC after the two sides met on Saturday.

It said some fans wearing underwired bras were also asked by stewards at the Lamex Stadium if they could feel them.

Stevenage FC said it was "investigating the matter" before making any further comment.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-40992174
 
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NHale said:
In a normal world I would say yes. In a world where Sigurdsson costs £45M and Lindelof costs £35M, I'm not so sure anymore.
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I swear this happens with Carvalho/Sporting every transfer window. Deal seemingly close and then the price starts creeping up. Don't know much about the player but makes me wary.
 
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Markitron said:
Perhaps, but it's a touchy topic for Liverpool fans and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt before sticking the boot in.
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He's peddling the idea that somehow other English clubs were innocent parties punished for Liverpool's transgression

English clubs were banned because football hooliganism was a problem across English football - Liverpool as a club got a longer ban than everyone else (although it is fine to argue that only an extra year isn't sufficient), and the individuals involved were punished.

So when someone makes a point about how being proven right about Hillsborough might improve relations a bit, and they respond "yeh but Heysel", they are either so ignorant about the subject that they shouldn't air their opinion, or just being malicious. Either way, its not a reply that really deserves the benefit of the doubt
 
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TimmmV said:
He's peddling the idea that somehow other English clubs were innocent parties punished for Liverpool's transgression

English clubs were banned because football hooliganism was a problem across English football - Liverpool as a club got a longer ban than everyone else (although it is fine to argue that only an extra year isn't sufficient), and the individuals involved were punished.

So when someone makes a point about how being proven right about Hillsborough might improve relations a bit, and they respond "yeh but Heysel", they are either so ignorant about the subject that they shouldn't air their opinion, or just being malicious. Either way, its not a reply that really deserves the benefit of the doubt
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Yea, suppose that's fair enough.

Beefy said:
Just seen a inter fan with Heysel on the back of a Liverpool shirt.....
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What a scumbag. I remember seeing some oxygen thief united supporter with a '96WNE' tattoo. It went viral and he was sacked from his job.
 
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Markitron said:
Would that rivalry not have been real enough in the late 70's? They were pretty much Liverpool's only real rivals in Europe anyway (not that I remember ofc).

If there are any Forest fans that still think they have a rivalry with Liverpool, they are obviously delusional.



Perhaps, but it's a touchy topic for Liverpool fans and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt before sticking the boot in.
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For sure they were rivals on the pitch for a few seasons and got the better of us a few times but thats it really. Its weird theres still a lot of hate more than 30 years later.
 
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Sky is set to retain the rights to the Football League in a blockbuster bidding battle with BT that has seen the price as much as double to £180m a season.

The Football League is understood to have entered into exclusive talks with Sky for the live rights, in a three to five-year deal worth between £500m and £900m.
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ve-football-league-rights-in-180m-a-year-deal

Haven't seen this posted (I know it is old)

But man Sky starting to fuck up the FL as well. No wonder Championship teams are spending loads.
 
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