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Wait for this U21 ting to finish.
Yes, let's choose to believe in bullshit transfer rumours to support our agenda.
You are being a broken record over this, all because of your mad alleigance to one particular manager. How pathetic.
There is no chance Mata will be leaving.
Mata isn't even close to being one of our highest earners.
brokenbeans
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God please Thiago.
The_Hitcher89
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The 'Kagawa-type' excuses have started already.
'Wait for the U21s to finish'
'Let's see him play behind the striker'
'Wait for Moyes to get back off holiday'
'Maybe he'll be better when he's been in the legue for a few months'
'We're trying to get rid of the deadwood first'
'His teammates don't pass to him enough'
Well, it is Castles and the Sunday Times.
Which doesn't confer a great deal of credibility on it, but it's not like Arnold is getting this off @712insider.
It sounds fucking mad, but Chelsea were hardly going to stop being a circus when they brought Mourinho back into the mix.
Arsenal fans hatred of theo walcott is so baffling. This is a guy who banged in loads of goals and lots of assists this season. In fact I think he was probably arsenals best player this season, yet somehow for a club that hasn't been relevant in ages they keep shitting on their best english player.
I've brought this point up yesterday but I wish the mocking would start AFTER the bullshit transfer actually goes through. We know the majority of transfer rumours are bullshit, even those from these hacks we always quote here like the aforementioned Castles or Tancredi Palmeri.
And a circus Chelsea may be but they are not a selling club. The only player we've sold in his prime in the last decade or so has been Robben, on the back of a poor, injury blighted season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Castles just took that shit directly off Marca.
Got that goober on ignore and every time someone quotes him it justifies my decision to do so.
It's more supporting of an agenda to completely ignore what the Sunday Times say.
brokenbeans
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Ugh more rumours about Ronaldo to United, just stop 
I liked it. Did not think I would but i got totally into it. The lead is fantastic
The Incarnation
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He gets it hard from everywhere really, the expectations of him being the next Henry surely haven't helped him.
The_Hitcher89
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Did Bentdner and Anelka even play enough for you to give us an informed opinon of them out of interest?
Did Bentdner and Anelka even play enough for you to give us an informed opinon of them out of interest?
Good question!
No.
The_Hitcher89
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Seeing Anelka joining in with your title celebrations made me lol
Wonder what Arsenal are gonna do with Bentdner. He looked quite promising 4 years ago :s
Vivalaraza
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its not because he can't pass, technically. It's because his decision making has been poor in that regard.
The skill of being a playmaker doesn't came from being able to make amazing passes alone, although it obv helps. It comes down to making them with consistency and making the right choice almost every single time.
The_Hitcher89
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I've heard it said on numerous occasions that he is technically average, even aside from his passing, which you're fair enough with. He'll never have the intelligence to play that role as well as a Pirlo or an Alonso (although he can still offer bursts of speed and power that those two can't)
Things like a supposedly dodgy first touch and poor finishing have been levelled at him, and those things simply aren't true which is clear to anyone who watches him more than twice a season without going into every game hoping he has a poor match.
edit: Wait, I think you were referring to the way England play with him in CM. In that case, its not valid enough imo. The odd stray long pass is not a big enough downside to completely negate his passing range by having one too many players gravitate towards him when he's on the ball imo.
Vivalaraza
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Duncan Castles is so unconvinced by his own story that when other journos tweeted to say he was claiming Chelsea would listen to offers for Mata he started to back track a bit.
Castles is a Mourinho pet though.
Castles is a Mourinho pet though.
The_Hitcher89
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They all are. I'm done with opinion pieces on Chelsea for the foreseeable, the media are so far up Mourinho's arse.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Actually l'equipe are saying that he's already signed for someone and they think that someone is United.
Vivalaraza
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Saving that money for Ronaldo.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Pls no.
Does he really have such a great track record for Chelsea. I'm still waiting for the Van Ginkel deal he broke two weeks ago to materialize.
And the other stuff he wrote such as Chelsea being willing to sell Luiz for 35 million just smacks of him taking that info from elsewhere.
You are seeing what you want to see. There are plenty of articles out there about the potential failure of his return.
Vivalaraza
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Well yes I agree with you for the most part but I would argue he isn't amongst the most technically accomplished players, like a Pirlo. Good enough for sure and he was obv amongst the worlds best for a good while, but there have been players with a better touch.
I wasn't really focusing on England though, since England are so shit. I mean if you look at the games against Ireland and Brazil Carrick was releasing plenty of balls to our wide players and they just kept fucking up time and time again. For England Gerrard should just take lots of long shots.
British Monsoon
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Carroll's still holding out hope for Newcastle, apparently, and the papers claim he'll be willing to drop his 100k wage demands for them. Pardew 'desperately' wants him, but the Barcodes won't pay more than 10m. Nice to feel appreciated. We were the only club to come in for him on loan and we're the only club offering 15m on a permanent deal. Just sign already.
Also, any Betis fans here? We bought their 26 year old keeper Adrian to compete with Jussi this season - any opinions of him from those familiar with his work?
Also, any Betis fans here? We bought their 26 year old keeper Adrian to compete with Jussi this season - any opinions of him from those familiar with his work?
Vivalaraza
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No idea what his track record is tbh but I know he is close to Mourinho and has been bit of a mouthpiece for him in the past. Bit like Beasley.
Carroll dumb as his haircut. No suprise there.
The_Hitcher89
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I'd argue that he is (or at least was), overall. In his Jack-of-all-trades style. I wouldn't have looked at one aspect and said he was the best in the world at that specific trait, but when you combined all of those traits I think he was up there.
I think a large part of it is due to technique. Obviously ithis situation occurs more reliably with the former, which is why he's better at it and part of the reason he's still world class, but still. A ball is pinged to Pirlo, he takes it with a small pirhouette, with the perfect weight to take one step and release the ball. Gerrard would do the exact same thing in terms of time and accuracy, but he's controlled the ball by moving his body around and hanging his leg in the path of the ball at an angle which slows and shifts it into a path for him to play the ball as though it were a set piece.
Both amount to the same thing, except one is eyecatching and in the eyes of many, more controlled and worthy of praise.
Most Arsenal fans don't hate Theo, he'll just go missing in certain games that's all, his a good player though and his finishing is getting better. His main problem though is confidence, if he isn't in good form he won't try and beat a man he'll just take it down the wing and pass it back to Sagna.
He wasn't our best player of the season though, it was Cazorla by a mile.
The_Hitcher89
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Even I remember when Beckham became the first £100k a week footballer, and he was the most marketable player in the world.
Ridiculous. Who'll be first to reach £300k? Coutinho I reckon
Vivalaraza
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Eto'o is already there I think.
British Monsoon
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Yeah, I know, it's fucking disgraceful. Our wage 'cap' is 55k for the few very top earners at the club (Noble, Nolan & Diame), but Sam's made it clear that he wants Carroll no matter what, so undoubtedly if Carroll does sign it will alter how much cash Sam has left to play with this window. I think the club are still trying to convince Carroll to stick with the 80k he's currently getting on his Liverpool deal.
Ignore them. They are full of crap.
If Chelsea sell either Mata, Luiz, Courtois, or De Bruyne this transfer window, I will hold my hands up and admit I'm a moron. Very doubtful though.
And I might as well rant against the media some more, I doubt very much that Carroll is seriously asking for 100k a week. Wasn't he on relatively low wages at Liverpool?
He's English so that means at least 25% added value to his true worth. Although with this horse, its more like 90%.
Milchmonster
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Haven't seen anyone commenting on that. Fjoroft acutally has an idea what he's talking about, got the Götze story a few hours earlier. So there could be some truth in this.
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British Monsoon
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I keep seeing people downplay Carroll's abilities, but let me tell you, as someone who watched his team have to rely on Carlton Cole as our lone striker for the past few years, 12m-15m for Carroll is worth it.
Name one other player who can fulfil the lone striker role, has Premier League experience, is willing to come to West Ham and won't break the bank to sign. Because I can't think of too many.
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So confident, eh? What about the recent rumblings emanating from Leverkusen?
The_Hitcher89
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I think the fee is decent for both ourselves and you, but his wage demands for someone who hasn't really proved anything since December 2010 are ridiculous. I understand why he's doing it, but it grates.
The oblivious spoilers have begun in TLoU OT
British Monsoon
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This. It's a fair fee that's slightly inflated due to how much Liverpool overpaid for him, but we never would have got him from Newcastle for this much, so fair game. The wage demands, if accurate, are a real slap in the face. We've already broke our cap to pay his loan wages and now he wants more when, really, playing for us is the reason he's got a sniff at England again and it's not like there were a bunch of other clubs clamouring for his services. If he were wanted at Liverpool, it'd be a different matter, but he isn't.
And who isn't Kevin Davies, lol. Surprised we haven't been linked with him actually, the papers generally seem to love the lazy Fat Sam + former Bolton player story.
HotHamWater
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I take it Arshavin will be going back to Russia? He was always a little bit shit (with the occasional good games) but the old Q&A's he used to do featuring blatant sexism and racism used to be awesome.
The_Hitcher89
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Davies had an absolute stinker of a season in 11/12. Was he any better last year?
It just feels like Carroll is holding you at arms length while watiting for Newcastle to come along. It wouldn't be in his best interests, but I'd have a lot more respect for him if he just said 'I'd like to see if any other offers come in' rather than basically 'you pay over the odds for me now, or I could slip through your fingers.'
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