Guardian Monkey
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What's wrong with big picture Mode?
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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What's wrong with big picture Mode?
unrenowned
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Running SLI you always want the latest graphics drivers, and with Nvidia messing up quite a few drivers it's not always done in 5 minutes. Add to that I'm too security-conscious/paranoid to disable windows update (if you even can in Win10).
Hollywood Hitman
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Oh stop being so technical, it's just mere conversation. . Refuse, choose not to, dislike, it's in the same boat for what the point of the thread is. It's conversation, relax
The sane response to all this from both "sides" proclaiming superiority
I don't refuse to play games on PC (I always play new games on my PC if it's an option), but I think there are legitimate reasons to stay console-only. Maybe if you only play a small handful of games per year, and/or your friends are all on console. And I think that consoles are still more convenient for most people, despite that gap narrowing every generation.
That said, if you're enough of an enthusiast to post on NeoGAF, I have a VERY hard time believing you'd get nothing out of PC gaming.
That said, if you're enough of an enthusiast to post on NeoGAF, I have a VERY hard time believing you'd get nothing out of PC gaming.
franklyshankly
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Yes, you can wake the computer from sleep with the button on the steam controller for example.
PC definitely has standby which wakes within seconds. As for updates, my PS4 doesn't always do that correctly in sleep mode anyway. Usually turn it on to find the patch hasn't begun to download yet.
Honestly you usually don't need a new driver for a game release. I have gone a year or more without touching drivers on PC and games work fine. But regardless its a 5 minute process to download and install a driver update, and my PS4 has firmware updates to install as well.
Steam?
There are obviously technical issues with PC gaming, but these kind of posts blow it way out of proportion.
SuperInuit
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I use my PC for work and can never seem to get invested in gaming on one because of that. I like the division between work and play.
LukasTaves
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Why you are comparing install times on console versus launching an installed game on pc?
Anyway, install times is a moot point now that every platform has preload. If you wait for a game to install before that's your choice.
TheTylerRob
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I got tired of playing on PC because I realized I tinker with the graphics way too fucking much and so do all of my friends. I still play on PC but now that I'm not a teenager I really don't give a shit as long as I can play what I want to.
Give War A Chance
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$$$
Also, I don't have an elegant solution for putting it in the living room, where I'd like to game.
Also, I don't have an elegant solution for putting it in the living room, where I'd like to game.
Both methods suck if you have poor internet or a flakey router. Patch sizes are sometimes ridiculous but usually they download automatically overnight on my consoles and on PC.
Yup, after switching to an m.2 + ssd only configuration I'm actually extremly bothered by consoles load times even if I have a 1Tb ssd on my pro.
CrazyHorse
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I do game on PC but not games that need a modern controller (I use N64 controller on PC the Xbox one had issues with right drift :-s) or good GPU. I do have a good GPU but those fans are noisy!! And I have had problem making things work in the past. I have had games that are not compatible with my control devices. Recently Grim Fandango just stopped working half way through it and the save state got corrupted. These problems put me off. But I still use it.
Yeah these are my thoughts as well. I dont like RTS, MOBA or MMO's so I feel like there isnt much on PC I cant get with console. Plus, I am so entrenched in the Playstation in ecosystem with friends and trophies that I really like where I am with it.
TheAngryMonkey
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There are a lot of reasons and it's all death by paper cuts. Here is a very recent example of what I mean.
I have Windows 10 and once in a while I stream for the hell of it. I have my Xbox One connected to my PC in such a way that I can use the PC for party chat while mixing in game audio into my headset using Voicemeeter Banana. It works incredibly well.
So one day I decide I want to play Rocksmith 2014 because I haven't touched it in ages. Go to steam, install it and fire it up. No audio. WTF. After a few minutes of tinkering I realize that game won't play nice with Voicemeeter banana so I have to reset all of the audio properties so that my headset is the default device instead of Voicemeeter. Start the game, I have audio...kinda. Now it's glitchy as fuck and I've completely lost interest in playing the game because I realize that in order to do so I'll have to reconfigure all of my sound options each time. Too much hassle.
Now, it's entirely fair to say that my situation is unique because of the setup I have but even before I used Voicemeeter I had issues that always had to be resolved. I always felt like I was tiptoeing around the PC so make sure I didn't accidentally break something I'd then spend time fixing instead of just getting to it.
On console I tell the game to install, it downloads the patches at the same time (I have pretty fast internet so installing while patching is a complete non-issue for me) and once it is done, no more than 45 minutes later, I'm up and running. No audio glitches, no video glitches, no tweaking the config to get just the right FPS vs IQ.
If I want to chat with friends I start up party chat. No mystery of if other people are using teamspeak, discord, steam chat (which is awful) or whatever other flavor of the week chat client people are using. Back when I was playing the first Titanfall I had four chat clients installed in order to chat with the various groups. Maybe discord has become the standard now but I've long since given up on PC gaming.
I have Windows 10 and once in a while I stream for the hell of it. I have my Xbox One connected to my PC in such a way that I can use the PC for party chat while mixing in game audio into my headset using Voicemeeter Banana. It works incredibly well.
So one day I decide I want to play Rocksmith 2014 because I haven't touched it in ages. Go to steam, install it and fire it up. No audio. WTF. After a few minutes of tinkering I realize that game won't play nice with Voicemeeter banana so I have to reset all of the audio properties so that my headset is the default device instead of Voicemeeter. Start the game, I have audio...kinda. Now it's glitchy as fuck and I've completely lost interest in playing the game because I realize that in order to do so I'll have to reconfigure all of my sound options each time. Too much hassle.
Now, it's entirely fair to say that my situation is unique because of the setup I have but even before I used Voicemeeter I had issues that always had to be resolved. I always felt like I was tiptoeing around the PC so make sure I didn't accidentally break something I'd then spend time fixing instead of just getting to it.
On console I tell the game to install, it downloads the patches at the same time (I have pretty fast internet so installing while patching is a complete non-issue for me) and once it is done, no more than 45 minutes later, I'm up and running. No audio glitches, no video glitches, no tweaking the config to get just the right FPS vs IQ.
If I want to chat with friends I start up party chat. No mystery of if other people are using teamspeak, discord, steam chat (which is awful) or whatever other flavor of the week chat client people are using. Back when I was playing the first Titanfall I had four chat clients installed in order to chat with the various groups. Maybe discord has become the standard now but I've long since given up on PC gaming.
Star Citizen is the one game i might build a properly powerful gaming computer for...hopefully it turns out well
I really hope xbox one gets a discord client at some point...will be a nice bridge to all that
Guardian Monkey
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Even with the PS4 gamepad update?
SafeinSound
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I would be into PC gaming if my apartment had the space for it, or if I was single. I primarily used to game on PC and I miss it so much.
CrazyHorse
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Get those handheld mouse and keyboard combos.
Kaiser Swayze
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I'm pretty well invested in consoles already. If I got a PC, I would be playing largely the same games, so it's mostly a redundancy issue. I just don't see any PC exclusives that I'm aching to play. And, yes, putting together a PC is a little bit of a project. It's not "difficult" per se, but it's time and money I'd rather spend doing other things.
TheAdmiester
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That's a perfect way to put it actually.
It amazes me how people go on about PC gaming as such a hassle... even if I'm not trying to play "comfy couch" mode it's literally just:
1. Turn on PC
1a. Maybe wait for a Windows update to configure if it updated when I shut it down
2. Steam automatically starts up because, y'know, I can set that because I'm in control.
3. Go to Steam library
4. Double-click game
5. Play
SmokedMeat
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I lent my PS4 to my brother after I was done with Bloodborne (since there wasn't anything worthwhile to get) and he gave it back to me over the holidays. So yesterday I fired it up for the first time since BB release to try out Nioh and damn... after 2 minutes in the PSN I was already missing my PC.
It a crime to call something like the PSN a service.
I was in the playing a little Splatoon over the weekend, and decided to turn the PS4 on to download my free Plus games.
I'm being dead serious when I say that storefront is a cluttered disaster. Maybe people who use it daily or weekly find it to be no big deal, but to pop in occasionally...it's just jarring. What a mess.
ThePeoplesBureau
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PC version releases tomorrow. My physical copy is on the way.
I'm just being cute, I know physical games are always more prevalent on consoles.
Aztechnology
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Yes. You can set it up so you can log in with a Steam controller with gesture login. With an Xbox controller unfortunately not yet. I'm hoping windows introduced an Xbox Mode at some point soon though.
Yes there are ways to set automatic updates while sleeping. You just need to setup the feature that allows windows to wake itself up and update at pre determined times (early morning etc) not very hard, simple Google fu will tell you what you need to know. Then it will go back to sleep.
If you're playing on Steam yes. But the vast majority of PC gamers like that we have other programs that give us far superior experiences to the limited feature set of consoles. Discord for instance. It's revolutionary compared to the chat system on consoles.
Nice shitpost, dude.
LOL guess I should read better about who made the post. Anyway overall you spent 1300 in 5 years to keep your computer top of the line. That price is reasonable I agree. With consoles I didn't spend nearly that much though and I don't have worry about whether or not certain games will run on it.
I do agree the ps4 is becoming outdated (just like any piece of technology like a TV, computer, or Phone) but I do expect it to be around 6 or 7 years regardless before the plugged is pulled on it.
As for the ps4 pro. Seems like a decent upgrade to me but since I don't have a 4K TV (and don't plan on getting one until my current TV dies) there isn't a whole lot of reason for the upgrade for me.
Totally agree. But what if I want to play Blu-ray? I have to buy a software that have the licence to do so, and find a way to read my BD from this software using onIy my gamepad (I don't like the feeling of the steam controller). And I don't want to even have to think about that.
I think I might consider building a new rig the day when MS release the interface of the Xbox one as a "gamer windows" that you could buy separately.
My PC is the size of an Xbox One. Really, PCs have moved on so far from this outdated notion that a full tower is all there is, or that smaller form factors must lose any possibility of upgradability or equal power possibilities to a full tower.
Guardian Monkey
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In all serious what are you running? I'm just curious.
Aztechnology
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Downsampling my friend. So gooood. Believe me even on a 1080p screen it's great. That is if you can trade up fairly easily. Not sure what you can get for the PS4 now.
Twelvy
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I might make a PC this year but so far many things prevented me to have one.
1. price: maybe in the end it's not more expensive than a console, but by default I have a TV
2. space: I don't have space for a gaming PC (until I move to a new apartment)
3. conveniency: everytime I went to my friend place to play on his TV, connecting to the TV+amp was a mess
4. Windows: one reason the PC is expensive is that it will be my game machine, not my computer. I don't like windows and using it everyday at work is annoying
1. price: maybe in the end it's not more expensive than a console, but by default I have a TV
2. space: I don't have space for a gaming PC (until I move to a new apartment)
3. conveniency: everytime I went to my friend place to play on his TV, connecting to the TV+amp was a mess
4. Windows: one reason the PC is expensive is that it will be my game machine, not my computer. I don't like windows and using it everyday at work is annoying
i dunno, I don't like it, it's slow even on a beast rig, it looks and feels like the original xbox UI to me
Theslammer
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Eh?
You can download games on a console if you'd like, or pre-load so it's there when you get home from work. Unwrapping isn't even a big deal and it's a shame it's listed as a complicated step.
I haven't had a game install for hours. Ever. But I game on the PS4 (though I'm pretty sure my brother's Xbox One doesn't take 7 hours either). Nor do I have to "check" if it's online any more than I have to check if my PC is online.
MrGerbils said:
Oh for sure with anyone's issue with PC gaming there's always some work around. The thing is I don't want to have to deal with a workaround when my PS4 Pro has perfectly acceptable IQ for me.
The hassle of making my living room ugly with cluttered Pc accessories and picking up and putting down different controller inputs isn't worth the hassle for the minor gains.
franklyshankly
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KHO0MRK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I use this case personally (though it is still substantially bigger than a console). Looks like a stereo receiver and sits in my TV Stand. Plenty of cooling from the side and rear exhaust fans.
Jerry
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Arkham Knight has been patched, and I've since played it to completion.
As for console games TLG, BF4, The Evil Within, Tony Hawk 5, Bloodbourne (mainly frame pacing), Everybody's gone to the rapture....I can go on.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Tried to get into PC gaming a few time last 5 years every time ended up back on consoles. I don't have as much time to game as I used to so when shit just doesn't work for no reason is a huge turn off. Last time I got out of PC gaming was because was because bad drivers for xbox one controller made PC crash when done playing a Ubisoft game. Took weeks for people to figure out the issue. Worse thing I have to do on a console is restart it.
Also the main game I play (destiny) isn't on PC and with rampant cheating on PCs, I doubt I wanna play loot based shooters on it (see the division).
Also the main game I play (destiny) isn't on PC and with rampant cheating on PCs, I doubt I wanna play loot based shooters on it (see the division).
IanVanCheese
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johancruijff
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tweaking/problem solving is an entire metagame on PC, it's actually the best exclusive the platform has ever had
So you don't play on PC? A confirmation at last from one of the staunchest supporters in the UWP Defense brigade. Who would have thought that the guy saying UWP is good for PC gamers doesn't even game on PC or understand our concerns.
Clearly biased. I have had as much difficulty on PC before (wtf's my origin account again? why do I need to set up uplay again? why is steam taking forever to verify content/preparing disk? graphics aren't configured, no anti-AA, why aren't I at 60fps, are my graphics drivers up to date?)
SmokedMeat
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http://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/resident-evil-7-biohazard-pc-steam-cd-key
I'll wait a day to pay half price.
Sabercrusader
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One reason is exclusives. Yeah I know that PC has a lot and that you can emulate older consoles, but that's not my preferred way to play.
Another reason is that all of my friends play on console. As long as I still want to play with them and they aren't willing to switch to PC, I'll never fully be able to switch.
All this said, I'm currently getting more and more into PC gaming, and I'm debating on building a rig this summer when the semester is through. I guess this thread was asking people who refuse to game on PC, so I don't really apply here, since I am interested.
Another reason is that all of my friends play on console. As long as I still want to play with them and they aren't willing to switch to PC, I'll never fully be able to switch.
All this said, I'm currently getting more and more into PC gaming, and I'm debating on building a rig this summer when the semester is through. I guess this thread was asking people who refuse to game on PC, so I don't really apply here, since I am interested.
Nothing "Holds me back" I actively dislike the experience and the elitist attitudes toward it. In addition to that I feel:
Playing on a PC is a shit experience that all the resolution and maxed out frame rates in the world cannot make up for. I grew up playing on consoles and have tried gaming on a PC, and sincerely dislike it.
Hardware compatibility issues drive me fucking nuts, there always some bullshit driver or file or whatever that fucks it all up. I am not willing to go through all the hoops to have to just play a game. This is NOT referring to patches.
I sit in front of a PC all day and really dislike doing the same when I game.
Have tried PC gaming on Steam, including big picture, I think everything was clunky at best and rather lackluster at worst. My dislike for the interface was a factor.
If gaming ever dropped consoles and went PC only, I would stick to the consoles I have and stop playing anything new.
Playing on a PC is a shit experience that all the resolution and maxed out frame rates in the world cannot make up for. I grew up playing on consoles and have tried gaming on a PC, and sincerely dislike it.
Hardware compatibility issues drive me fucking nuts, there always some bullshit driver or file or whatever that fucks it all up. I am not willing to go through all the hoops to have to just play a game. This is NOT referring to patches.
I sit in front of a PC all day and really dislike doing the same when I game.
Have tried PC gaming on Steam, including big picture, I think everything was clunky at best and rather lackluster at worst. My dislike for the interface was a factor.
If gaming ever dropped consoles and went PC only, I would stick to the consoles I have and stop playing anything new.
Guardian Monkey
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Oh very cool case. I like it. Thanks.
PC Gaming at a young age made me a competent IT professional and troubleshooter.
But now that it's my day Job I think I don't want to come home and feel like its work.
Also, fucking deus ex - crashing at the station - Bought it again on PS4. And batman arkham knight - graphics were better on the PS4, the thing lack AO and people was talking to me on this forum like I was mad. I waste too much on this shit.
I've spent too much money buying games twice. And with the consoles at least for now i can sell them when its done.
But now that it's my day Job I think I don't want to come home and feel like its work.
Also, fucking deus ex - crashing at the station - Bought it again on PS4. And batman arkham knight - graphics were better on the PS4, the thing lack AO and people was talking to me on this forum like I was mad. I waste too much on this shit.
I've spent too much money buying games twice. And with the consoles at least for now i can sell them when its done.
I don't think the my PS4 will get me much at all right now. Plus I had to open up my ps4 and disable the eject button because I had that issue where the ps4 kept beeping and spitting out discs so I could not trade the thing in if I wanted to.
I hear very mixed results about using a ps4 pro on a 1080P TV. I am sure it's better but I am not sure it's $400 better for me.
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