Jams3223
Neo Member
Many of the poorly performing games suffer from optimization issues; I struggle to maintain a stable framerate even on my desktop GPU.
[Forbes] Steam Deck Won’t Survive 2025 Without A Significant Upgrade
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ChorizoPicozo
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every console is able to survive for at least 10 years.
onnextflix5
Member
Wish they would release a steam box. They should have 2 options, budget one, that is more powerful then series s and one more powerful then ps5. Steam deck is ok, but not a fan of gaming on such a large and heavy device.
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HogIsland
Banned
Was thinking this too. Very likely Switch 2 will be introduced with a new batch of "impossible ports" like Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate, etc. But practically all the UE5 games are off the table.
Jams3223
Neo Member
To enhance performance, you can try lowering the image quality of specific effects, minimizing the number of characters displayed simultaneously, utilizing more efficient fine-grained GPU culling, running particle effects on the GPU rather than the CPU, and fine-tuning the level of detail.
- GPU instancing allows for the rendering of identical meshes all at once in a single draw call. (Example: grass and leaves.)
- Impostors create the illusion of 3D objects by mapping textures onto billboards. (Example: trees.)
- https://www.gamedeveloper.com/programming/imposters
- https://blendermarket.com/products/instant-impostors--one-click-impostor-generation-eevee
- Occlusion Culling
- Frustum Culling
- Wave Intrinsics
- https://gpuopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/GDC2017-Wave-Programming-D3D12-Vulkan.pdf
- Render Graph or Frame Graph (CPU & GPU)
- Godot = RenderingDeviceGraph
- Unreal Engine = Rendering Dependency Graph
- The 'Render Graph' helps feed more work to the GPU and is part of the 'Render Thread'.
dragonyeuw
Member
The things it was great for in 22, 23 and 24 will still be great for in 25. I'm guessing we'll see a true successor second half of 2026 or early 27.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Exactly it is a Steam library accessory, and it is brilliant at that. I'm sure in time they will bring out a new one, but there is no rush. High-end PC folk already have their desktops, this is designed to compliment those. In many ways (not in technical implementation but consequence) it is akin to the Playstation Portal in that it is a tool that helps encourage people already engaged in the echosystem to spend more time within it.
Icymanipulator
Member
Nonsense. If switch can go 7+ years on weak ass hardware it really doesn't matter.
Onironauta
Member
PC games are not optimized for a specific hardware like Switch games
Still I agree that the Deck will still be able to run a lot of titles coming out next year...
Jams3223
Neo Member
You guys act like optimizing for the Steam deck is like rewriting the entire code lol, as long as you modify the game based on the limitation of the hardware to achieve the desired frame rate it is enough, for example, you could buy an NVIDIA GTX 1050 and optimize the game on it and it would run fine on the deck, they use the same API, the only difference is that the deck supports RT, Sampler feedback and Mesh Shading so if you include some RT Effects if it performs 30 fps on the GTX it runs at 40 fps on the deck.
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Icymanipulator
Member
Ya it may not run all the newest games that great, but there are thousands and thousands of great older games, enough that you could spend a lifetime playing them and still not play them all. Content isn't the issue here imo. For a portable device, I think that's more than enough. For now at least.
Jams3223
Neo Member
There is still driver optimization going on, so there will be some performance improvements for some games but if you want to play games a high framerates the Steam Deck is not the device for you. For example, there is a new CPU scheduler coming that should increase efficiency even more and should give you 5 fps more for most games that are CPU-bound.
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Yeah, some people and authors think AAA games with high visual fidelity are the only games existing and coming 2025.
There are hundreds of games that run great on the Steam Deck. And 2025 another hundred games will be released that aren't demanding for the SD in terms of performance.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
We can play gazillions of games at high (60+) frame rates on the Deck.
Deerock71
Member
I much prefer holding the Deck for long gaming sessions vs. joycons. I actually got that limited edition Tomb Raider controller that basically mimics the ergonomics of a Steam Deck for my Switch. Looking forward to it.
Cyberpunkd
Member
I had Switch 2.0, holding it in portable mode with joy cons attached is hell compared to Steam Deck, Switch was just too damn thin with no comfortable way to put your palms. Steam Deck mimics a real controller on the sides.
Onironauta
Member
PC games in general don't have the low levels optimisations of console games, it's not an issue specific to the Steam Deck
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It doesn't need to reach high frame rates.
lifa-cobex
Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I don't thing any dev targets the Deck.
Jams3223
Neo Member
Sorry, I forgot to mention AAA games.
Minsc
Gold Member
It's probably fair enough to say if they're marketing their game as being Steam Deck compatible / running on the Steam Deck then they're targeting the Deck. Sure, it's not ever going to be the primary platform the game is built for, but if they're pushing out a sentence of PR pointing out their game is Steam Deck Verified, I don't see the difference.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
For example, Sony didn't target Deck for R&C RA or Returnal. It just happen to be strong enough to run them.
Jams3223
Neo Member
You do know the consoles as you call them are just glorified PC's. There's nothing that can be done on console optimization-wise that can't be done on PC. Same optimization opportunity, it's no different matherfacts the console of today has the same kind of API as the PC of today, the only advantage that console has is shader cache and the Steam Deck already ships with shader cache. Some games perform worse on a console than PC.
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Minsc
Gold Member
Right - but if they put out a piece of PR at the time of the windows port "Returnal is going to be Steam Deck verified!" it's basically the same thing IMO.
If there's no acknowledgement that it is Deck capable and it just happens to run fine, then it doesn't count for me. But when a company advertises their product at or ahead of release as running on the Deck, that's close enough to being a targeted system to me.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
"Steam Deck verified" just means the game is playable start to finish. It doesn't guaranties any minimal performance.
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Jams3223
Neo Member
The only way you could describe targeting the Steam Deck is if they made the text legible, added controller support, and made a graphics preset for it.
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Jams3223
Neo Member
It guarantees that it plays at a minimum of 30 fps on average.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Jams3223
Neo Member
Steam Deck Compatibility Review Process (Steamworks Documentation)
Next time do your research.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Steam Deck Compatibility Review Process (Steamworks Documentation)
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Where is the minimum 30fps part there??
Jams3223
Neo Member
Haven't you read what he said? "30 FPS target".
Minsc
Gold Member
I think you're missing what I'm saying, Company X says "Our game is releasing on Windows and will be playable on Steam Deck" is about as close to being targeted for the Deck as you can get. It shows the company is aware of the Deck and aware their game will be able to run on it.
Jams3223
Neo Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Like the official site about Deck verified requirements??
Games that check these four boxes are Deck Verified.
Input
The title should have full controller support, use appropriate controller input icons, and automatically bring up the on-screen keyboard when needed.
Display
The game should support the default resolution of Steam Deck (1280x800 or 1280x720), have good default settings, and text should be legible.
Seamlessness
The title shouldn't display any compatibility warnings, and if there's a launcher it should be navigable with a controller.
System Support
If running through Proton, the game and all its middleware should be supported by Proton. This includes anti-cheat support.
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Jams3223
Neo Member
Bro, I already showed you proof, now you're just deflecting at this point, just admit that you're wrong so we can move on, I don't have time for childish games. Why are you even showing me information related to Steam Deck verified when we were talking about what makes a game playable not verified.Like the official site about Deck verified requirements??
Games that check these four boxes are Deck Verified.
Input
The title should have full controller support, use appropriate controller input icons, and automatically bring up the on-screen keyboard when needed.
Display
The game should support the default resolution of Steam Deck (1280x800 or 1280x720), have good default settings, and text should be legible.
Seamlessness
The title shouldn't display any compatibility warnings, and if there's a launcher it should be navigable with a controller.
System Support
If running through Proton, the game and all its middleware should be supported by Proton. This includes anti-cheat support.
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Minsc
Gold Member
No, but that looks promising! It's pretty crazy how fast games go from 15-30fps release day to 30-45+ fps a few months or even weeks later.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You are funny in more than 1 level. You quoted me talking with other user about "Deck verified".
[Forbes] Steam Deck Won’t Survive 2025 Without A Significant Upgrade
The Steam Deck hardware will always play the games it plays now, at least as good as they play now. So yeah, if you're buying a Steam Deck to just play the latest stuff - it's gonna be a bad experience as time moves on. I tried Visions of Mana on mine, and while it's playable, it often dips...
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Devs finishing the game and testing that the Deck can run it =/= devs starting development thinking " it must run on Deck".
There are tons of games that I have not played that work fine on the deck. By the time I get through them I can grab a steam deck 2 and play some of the current games that don't work well.
Bonus is they will be patched to the best possible version of the game and will often be available quite cheap.
The other alternative is to use steam link. Just need to improve that experience a bit so if you load a game in that way the game loads like it would on the deck natively rather than defaulting to the standard PC interface. Then your beefier PC is doing the rendering and the deck itself is just a player. Probably not ideal for the twitch shooters but for most other things it will work well enough.
Bonus is they will be patched to the best possible version of the game and will often be available quite cheap.
The other alternative is to use steam link. Just need to improve that experience a bit so if you load a game in that way the game loads like it would on the deck natively rather than defaulting to the standard PC interface. Then your beefier PC is doing the rendering and the deck itself is just a player. Probably not ideal for the twitch shooters but for most other things it will work well enough.