Former Xbox Boss Says He Knew Sony's Killzone 2 E3 Showcase Was BS
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user friendly
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He linked the 07 trailer and said wasn't that far off from the 05 trailer. Is that a problem? It's not like he said it was the 05 trailer, like it seems you are suggesting.
Nobody interpreted it that way, in fact there's nothing to "interpet", he's talking about the wrong trailer in comparing it to retail.
Perrott
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Deep Down was playable at 720p/60fps with 4 player co-op running on the Panta Rhei engine on a PS4 at the 2013 Tokyo Games Show and was reportedly "finished" by the time Capcom canned the game in 2015, so it very much did exist.
There are also several vertical slices of Eight Days real gameplay out there, and it looked stunning for a prototype, with hints of Uncharted or Max Payne 3 levels of fidelity in them.
Agent wasn't a Sony game, as neither was Deep Down.
But even then, some of the worst offenders of graphics downgrades out there -- The Division, Rainbow Six Siege -- actually were fully playable at those levels of fidelity during development builds -- Rainbow Six was playable at E3 2014 with the very visuals from its announcement trailer and The Division looked like the E3 2013 and 2014 videos behind the scenes during early playtesting sessions, before it had it's technological scope scaled down in order to fit on the consoles.
LordCBH
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Damn I didn't know that. Wonder why they canned it if it was basically done? The reveal for it was really cool and I was definitely looking forward to it.
Can't find it, but there was a trailer showing cars and bikes racing and getting mud and particles everywhere, it was crazy to think a game would do something like that in 05/06
PatientGamer
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I went to play Killzone 2 in a closed event in London a few weeks/months after that E3 trailer.. and let me tell you.. the gameplay held up extraordinarily well.
That game was the first release that cemented Sony being 100% back in the game with regards to first play releases. The onslaught on the competition begun from Feb 2009 and didn't stop for 2 generations straight.
That game was the first release that cemented Sony being 100% back in the game with regards to first play releases. The onslaught on the competition begun from Feb 2009 and didn't stop for 2 generations straight.
Reizo Ryuu
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No he didn't do anything you just said, he linked a video comparing 07 and retail and said it [the 07 trailer] wasn't far off from the end result [being the retail game]
LordCBH
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It took em a bit to get going that gen, but when they did they went HARD.
Tools of Destruction, Uncharted, KZ2….man. I ate good with those.
Sooner
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Not sure what Capcom and Rockstar canceling games have to do with anything.
user friendly
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Ok then. I see I'm waisting my time here, lol.
No he didn't do anything you just said, he linked a video comparing 07 and retail and said it [the 07 trailer] wasn't far off from the end result [being the retail game]
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Kataploom
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I'd give you BOTW first teaser out of desperation for the Wii U situation, but the first Zelda tech demo was just that, a tech demo, they never sold it as a "target rendering" or "in-game cutscenes" or gameplay, they just showed us how much they could push Wii U graphically and was it
SkylineRKR
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Sony drank a lot of bullshit Kool aid back then.
Killzone 2 was bullshit, though the finished product looked impressive.
Motorstorm E3 2005 was even more ridiculous, probably PS5 levels of fidelity.
White Knight Chronicles TGS 06 looked ridiculous for a JRPG. I would say PS4 levels of fidelity.
Killzone 2 was bullshit, though the finished product looked impressive.
Motorstorm E3 2005 was even more ridiculous, probably PS5 levels of fidelity.
White Knight Chronicles TGS 06 looked ridiculous for a JRPG. I would say PS4 levels of fidelity.
Freelance Yakuza
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Phantom Dust too
The dev had no ideia Xbox had made a trailer
0neAnd0nly
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A lot of haters gloss over the fact that the actual game was a visual marvel and the reason that GG turned into the behemoth top tier studio they are now.
It wasn't just the visuals, the friggin ragdoll physics that we haven't seen in even 2 generations since, the outstanding implementation of class abilities, the ability to go on the KZ2 website and re-watch a match you played (it would show the players as dots and track your movements), etc.
Game was ahead of its time and had features that people wish existed today.
It wasn't just the visuals, the friggin ragdoll physics that we haven't seen in even 2 generations since, the outstanding implementation of class abilities, the ability to go on the KZ2 website and re-watch a match you played (it would show the players as dots and track your movements), etc.
Game was ahead of its time and had features that people wish existed today.
user friendly
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Yeah, it was amazing at the time. The weight, feel of firing a weapon and keeping it on target. The MP was bliss!
Ev1L AuRoN
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Killzone 2 was peak — truly ahead of its time. Even today, most FPS games can't match its atmosphere and animations.
REDRZA MWS
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No shit, we all did.
nial
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Everybody's Golf 5 - July 26, 2007
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - October 23, 2007
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - November 19, 2007
LittleBigPlanet - October 27, 2008 (95/100 Metacritic)
Demon's Souls - February 5, 2009
All before Killzone 2.
RaidenJTr7
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Lol okay. But that is very low res. Look at this one, there are things missing from the final version, some details, and look at the hair physics
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user friendly
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Not bad for the triple.Lol okay. But that is very low res. Look at this one, there are things missing from the final version, some details, and look at the hair physics
CGI quality
Final
March Climber
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From the makers of…
Former Sony Exec
Former Sony Exec 2: Secret of the cell
and Former Sony Exec 3: With a Vengeance
Comes a new adventure…
Former Xbox Boss
Mean, green, fighting machine!
Former Sony Exec
Former Sony Exec 2: Secret of the cell
and Former Sony Exec 3: With a Vengeance
Comes a new adventure…
Former Xbox Boss
Mean, green, fighting machine!
RSLAEV
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I distinctly remember you risked a ban on GAF if you said it was fake
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
It was pure bullshit and iirc started the trend of totally fake vertical slices... however ironically KZ2 was probably the game whose final product was closest to the bullshit trailer. Look at GRAW or Motorstorm for examples of totally fake shit that never even got close to what they were trying to pull...
lifa-cobex
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Represent.
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Gun models, character models, animations, explosions, in this fake ass trailer still look better than most shit out today.
Former Xbox Boss Says He Knew Sony's Killzone 2 E3 Showcase Was BS
Peter Moore recalls the Xbox 360 and PS3 rivalry and reveals that he always knew that Sony's Killzone 2 demo was bogus.www.gamespot.com
saintjules
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I wanted to believe it at the time it was real. 20 years later, are devs able to reach this?
People talk about diminishing returns, but I think until these E3 presentations become real-time gameplay, there's more that can be done.
Also, my favorite E3 disappointment
I think so
John from DF
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People talk about diminishing returns, but I think until these E3 presentations become real-time gameplay, there's more that can be done.
Also, my favorite E3 disappointment
user friendly
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There's a lot that doesn't look as good as "shit out today" in there as well.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Who cares.
The final games was spectacular and a masterpiece of an FPS game.
Sony more than delivered in the end. Which is much better than other examples of the same from their competitors.
The final games was spectacular and a masterpiece of an FPS game.
Sony more than delivered in the end. Which is much better than other examples of the same from their competitors.
ElFenomeno
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Replayed it on my ps3 about a year or two ago. The game's atmosphere is something else. The input lag, heavy feel, movement, in that infested , gritty, oppressive, polluted thick, oozing , poisonous cloud planet is the best thing about it.
Balducci30
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Uh uncharted 4 reveal? Total bullshit
Inuteu
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I miss being fooled like this
This days we all know that the witcher 4 presentation is pure BS. Inocence is lost
RaidenJTr7
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Balducci30
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The deep down gameplay they showed at TGS looked nothing like the trailer
Windom Earle
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And to this day we talk about it, seems like a Sony W.
midnightAI
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Peter Moore with the 20 yr thread bump
Embearded
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I think the point is the particles, smoke, explosions etc.
I don't remember how the retail was to be honest, but the gif in the OP looks more like a PS4 game than a PS3 to me.
rofif
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RaidenJTr7
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This is in-game , But digital foundry confirmed there was a downgrade from 2014.is this from a reveal or game?
DF john
So there was a downgrade ?
rofif
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yes, my screenshot is from the game. I only flipped 180 to trick you and (failed)This is in-game , But digital foundry confirmed there was a downgrade from 2014.
DF john
So there was a downgrade ?
This is from the trailer. Yours is weirdly too bright and oversharpened.
Balducci30
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Not the reveal lol, I played the game. It's an obvious downgrade, look at the fly and the water and the close up in the reveal. They tried hard to match but there is a clear gulfis this from a reveal or game? dont look it up
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rofif
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of course there is. I wanted to see if I would fool you.
That said, uc4 still looks incredibly good. I love that game
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N1tr0sOx1d3
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Right on. Furthermore, the MP map design was incredible. Lighting, physics, gameplay was well ahead of Gears.
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Balducci30
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Don't get me wrong the game still looks great - maybe more should aim to meet a highly unrealistic reveal
oldergamer
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I recall arguing with sony fanboys that it wasn't real, that and motostorm. They didn't believe it
oldergamer
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deflect much? he wasn't at Xbox during that time pretty sure.