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The hype train was off the rails!
Former Xbox Boss Says He Knew Sony's Killzone 2 E3 Showcase Was BS
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cinnamonandgravy
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then you shouldve said something at the time, retard
your competitor is completely dick slapping you at e3, amazing everyone with their trailers and CELL crap, and playing coy when asked if this stuff's real-time... yet you know theyre fake and wait 20 years to say anything?
your competitor is completely dick slapping you at e3, amazing everyone with their trailers and CELL crap, and playing coy when asked if this stuff's real-time... yet you know theyre fake and wait 20 years to say anything?
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StreetsofBeige
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Totally misleading teaser at 1080/60. Final game looked worse and also at half the frames.
But doing a teaser like this over a blatant CGI clip will convince more people the game will look like that, since lots of people will brush off obvious CGI rendered clips.
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Team Andromeda
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Expect EDGE mag of course.
Xbox can't talk mind, after the bullshit that was project Milo
clarky
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And of course let's all remember the bullshit footage of The Last Guardian apparently running at 30 FP on a PS3
clarky
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Look at that pad lol.
And of course let's all remember the bullshit footage of The Last Guardian apparently running at 30 FP on a PS3
Made for the Aussie market?
Yekshemesh
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Did he know that the Kinect showcase was bullshit also?
chromhound
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I don't know how many times I watched that trailer back in the days. Instant boner
Not really - that was a standard 'vertical' slice showcase polished to N-th degree, but realtime and playable.
No different from Watchdogs, Halo 2, The Division, GR:FS, Dark Souls 2 and countless other E3 demonstrations over the years.
Internet loves to hate those - and there's valid reasons for skepticism relative to actual shipping games - but they are still realtime, interactive demos running on target hw - not a video generated by an FX studio on a farm somewhere like the KZ2 first showcase was.
And most of the debates about 'downgrades' in such content are entirely missing the point - but I'm not gonna repeat myself on that.
The closest to PS3 E3 controversy was most of Kinect 'reveal' videos - from Milo to Jedi Kinect and many others.
PixelatedBeast
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No we got that game, its just that it should have been called Demon Souls Remake instead....
Team Andromeda
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Don't forget that PS3 also had dual 1080P HDMI outputs too, nice one Ken
SONY full of more shit than Ubisoft
The Division looked like E3 in the 1meter wide radius from the camera track used in E3 preview. There was basically nothing outside of the bounds.
Also 80% of the gameplay was just scripted sequences - again, it 'worked' but only as long as you followed the exact sequence.
TLDR most gameplay systems didn't exist (and some I guess never did in the end) and visuals were amped up for presentation (multiple months spent polishing 100m worth of the game-world), not some nebulous hardware target.
clarky
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Yeah I think The Division may take it. I remember looking at the whole sequence with the dude closing the car door and covering from fire thinking this can't be real. Sure enough.........
E-Cat
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That's comparing to E3 2007 trailer, while the BS trailer in question was E3 2005
Dr. Wilkinson
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So, so much of e3 was made up stuff dressed up to make as big a splash as possible. I do miss it, though. It truly was Videogame Christmas.
Reizo Ryuu
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closing the doors is in the game though, there's even an achievement for it.
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Komatsu
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Sony in the 1990s/early 2000s was all-in on propagandizing complete bullshit claims and then failing to deliver. That said, their hype machine was so well-oiled that the stellar games and widespread support carried the consoles through. Case in point: half of the claims made in the lead-up to the PS2 release were completely, utterly false but they were enough to bury the Dreamcast. Who can forget the flacks saying "IT CAN BE USED AS A SUPERCOMPUTER" at E3?
DaleinCalgary
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It was awesome, what's the problem
Dr. Wilkinson
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This was definitely not just a Sony thing back then. It was quite common, at that time. E3 was a glamor show. Sizzle over steak. Making a big splash. Style over substance. When it came back in 2009 it was a bit more focused on actual games before Covid killed it.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Some aspects of Killzone 2 still look good today, the enemy animations when shot and the gun models. The final version of Killzone 2 looks better than the E3 2005 demo in some aspects.
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EverydayBeast
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So? It was a special trailer
Just imagine if some company do the same today no way there is any so stupid
Former Xbox Boss Says He Knew Sony's Killzone 2 E3 Showcase Was BS
Peter Moore recalls the Xbox 360 and PS3 rivalry and reveals that he always knew that Sony's Killzone 2 demo was bogus.www.gamespot.com
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Lord Malachite
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Why is this a news story twenty years after the fact? News hasn't exactly been slow lately.
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Yes, that's clearly a comparison of the 07 reveal and 07 retail... some of you think they are using that video to show the side by side from 05 to 07. They're just simply using that video to show the 07 trailer. It happens to be a comparison video which is why I think some are confused in here.
Unless of course they actually think that video is the 05 trailer vs 07 trailer but, anyone with unimpaired vision can clearly see its the exact same 2007 trailer, just added detail and effects.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The reveal was also a 60fps trailer IIRC. The game was not 60fps on PS4. The MP was but not the SP campaign.
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Balducci30
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No we got that game, its just that it should have been called Demon Souls Remake instead....
It does look close - unfortunately the fire effects in that deep down trailer have still not been achieved in a video game
Balducci30
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You know the more I think about it these BS reveals often have a positive effect and result in the devs aiming for a higher level of graphics than other games - Hellblade 2 reveal was BS, Uncharted 4 reveal was BS, animations in the LOU2 reveal were BS, Killzone 2 BS reveal, Cyberpunk reveal was apparently BS - those are some of the best looking games of their respective eras
Nah, no one can outdo EA, Ubisoft & XBox division in that regard. These are the crappy trinity when it comes to deceiving and under delivering.Don't forget that PS3 also had dual 1080P HDMI outputs too, nice one Ken
SONY full of more shit than Ubisoft
Fess
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Then you weren't on the boards, there were long and wild discussions about this. I can sit here 20 years later and pretend that I knew it was fake but I wanted to believe
E-Cat
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So, what's the point of the comparison? Clearly the 2007 trailer wasn't infeasible like the E3 2005 trailer.
In sony defence the real time presentation of Killzone 2 years later was extremely close if not better in some aspects of the CG.
Former Xbox Boss Says He Knew Sony's Killzone 2 E3 Showcase Was BS
Peter Moore recalls the Xbox 360 and PS3 rivalry and reveals that he always knew that Sony's Killzone 2 demo was bogus.
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Ok JIm
Venom Snake
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You know what's worse? Making a bullshit trailer and not even delivering the game.
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clarky
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Unfortunately you boys didn't have my excellent judgement and perspective back then.
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Its been said many time over in this thread.
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I know people who say %100 it was true and Killzone 2 is the proof, they say it looks even betrer than that BS trailer
clarky
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Yeah the final product ended up surprisingly not far off the target, shame the game was incredibly mid for me.
Perrott
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I guess it had something to do with Capcom walking out of the online free-to-play space that they had envisioned as the future of gaming prior to the arrival of the PS4, a future which had 10 projects in the works at the Capcom Online Games studio, with only Dragon's Dogma Online ever coming out on PS4, PS3 and PC exclusively in Japan and enjoying four years of service before being taken offline in 2019.
Deep Down's demise coincidentally came at the same time Capcom chose to fundamentally revamp the title's Panta Rhei engine and eventually turn it into the RE Engine that went on to debut with Resident Evil 7, which alongside Devil May Cry 5, Monster Hunter World and the Resident Evil remakes (2, 3 and 4 were greenlit together, even though they released over the course of 4 years) marked a shift in Capcom's editorial strategy, doubling down on traditional singleplayer games from existing franchises developed out of their Japanase headquarters -- with, to my knowledge, no home console new IPs coming out over the whole decade in between the releases of Remember Me and Exoprimal in 2013 and 2023, respectively.
LimanimaPT
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The game surpassed the trailer, I don't know what the fuzz was all about.
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They showed the pc version, so if was console gamers own fault for believing it was console gameplay