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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Eh, only need pole to gave a penalty and everyone moves, and we've deffo had that before.
Nearly half the grid having penalties is ridiculous though.
JadedWriter
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Wait...what?
Jezbollah
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If others below him had grid penalties then that would promote him after his own penalty.
Yeah you can, if you do QualifyingPosition + GridPenalty for each driver, then sort the drivers in ascending order by the result you have the grid order. The drivers behind him, the Saubers, qualified more than 5 positions behind him, so he doesn't drop below them.
Edit: I don't know if that's how they actually do it, but it's a simple and logical way to do it.
How do they order who takes what penalty when? Surely depending on when the epenalties are applied, a driver could end up in various positions on the grid?
Jezbollah
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The way F1's grid penalties are going, it'll be its own meme soon.
Isn't it based on reverse order to the order in which they come out for free practice 1?
Which is why Ricciardo was out front waiting nice and early.
theignoramus
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So Raikkonen wasn't penalised for that obviously unsafe release yesterday?
So Verstappen gets a 20 place penalty but still starts 13th? Weird
From PF!:
The Grid:
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Lance Stroll
3 Esteban Ocon
4 Valtteri Bottas
5 Kimi Raikkonen
6 Sebastian Vettel
7 Felipe Massa
8 Daniil Kvyat
9 Kevin Magnussen
10 Marcus Ericsson
11 Pascal Wehrlein
12 Sergio Perez *******
13 Max Verstappen *
14 Nico Hulkenberg **
15 Carlos Sainz ***
16 Daniel Ricciardo ****
17 Jolyon Palmer *****
18 Stoffel Vandoorne ********
19 Fernando Alonso ******
20 Romain Grosjean *********
* Verstappen 20-place engine penalty
** Hulkenberg 10-place engine penalty
*** Sainz 10-place engine penalty
**** Ricciardo 25-place engine and gearbox penalty
***** Palmer 15-place engine penalty
****** Alonso 35-place engine penalty
******* Perez 5-place gearbox penalty
******** Vandoorne 25-place engine penalty
********* Grosjean 5-place gearbox penalty
Glad Brawn is looking into this, it's getting crazy.
The Grid:
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Lance Stroll
3 Esteban Ocon
4 Valtteri Bottas
5 Kimi Raikkonen
6 Sebastian Vettel
7 Felipe Massa
8 Daniil Kvyat
9 Kevin Magnussen
10 Marcus Ericsson
11 Pascal Wehrlein
12 Sergio Perez *******
13 Max Verstappen *
14 Nico Hulkenberg **
15 Carlos Sainz ***
16 Daniel Ricciardo ****
17 Jolyon Palmer *****
18 Stoffel Vandoorne ********
19 Fernando Alonso ******
20 Romain Grosjean *********
* Verstappen 20-place engine penalty
** Hulkenberg 10-place engine penalty
*** Sainz 10-place engine penalty
**** Ricciardo 25-place engine and gearbox penalty
***** Palmer 15-place engine penalty
****** Alonso 35-place engine penalty
******* Perez 5-place gearbox penalty
******** Vandoorne 25-place engine penalty
********* Grosjean 5-place gearbox penalty
Glad Brawn is looking into this, it's getting crazy.
PdotMichael
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Well, if many teams are forced to do that then they should increase the max amount of engines and gearboxes again. It obviously doesn't work out and saves any money effectively.
Ericsson and Wehrlein up to 10th and 11th. Amazing.
Jezbollah
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That was my first thought too
I was having a quick thought as to how to avoid this - is just applying grid penalties for new components used, rather than replacement of components from the current allocation something that is practical?
Well obviously the highest number of grid places is the first determinant, but in the event of equivalent penalties, they use the FP1 starting order to determine what order to apply the penalties.
I think.
Some info here... http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciardo-on-his-cute-early-fp1-run/
What a farce
Daffy Duck
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These fucking engine penalties are a bloody farce.
F1 is a fucking joke these days.
F1 is a fucking joke these days.
ExtremePopcorn
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It's pretty impressive to make one of the best national anthems sound that bad
aspiegamer
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Everyone agrees the hardware penalty system as-is is extreme, but any change would have to be unanimous, too. Add the actual merits behind trying to stop larger teams from burning through components and this is soooooooooooo complicated.
What does a compromise on this even look like? You can't scrap them entirely or you'd have the works teams throwing entirely new spec engines in the cars every single weekend. Some system where they have to offer their previous specs to the customer teams immediately upon any and all replacements?
What does a compromise on this even look like? You can't scrap them entirely or you'd have the works teams throwing entirely new spec engines in the cars every single weekend. Some system where they have to offer their previous specs to the customer teams immediately upon any and all replacements?
If not, then one will be in 2nd by lap 5.
nature boy
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How are McLaren getting Renault if Toro Rosso doesn't go with Honda?
Holy fuck. That grid is fucking crazy from all the penalties. Also, I can't watch the race today, so I'm relying on GAF and Sky Sports' Live blog to keep me up to date.
BTW, Glad to head about McLaren leaving Honda, because that Partnership was a match made in hell that only a complete and utter Gobshite would believe it'd pay dividends after three years of bullshit.
SictorVullivan
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Haha seeing all those penalties is an absolute joke.
ElectronicOldMen
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'Kevin Magnussen was knocked out in Q1, he starts 9th' fuckin lol
djplaeskool
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lol the grid is such a cluster this race.
bubaglobalj
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Another incredible start by Versteppen
SictorVullivan
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Wow Bottas and Kimi
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