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[mil6es]

it's no longer a comparison thread anymore. Gran Turismo 5 in its current incarnation has swept all the competition away. it's really not even remotely close anymore.

The developers of Forza can hardly really be blamed for that, though. GT5 was in development for an infinity years and has the accumulated knowledge and support of over a decade of Gran Turismo goodness.

Forza is still a good series but you can't compete when Polyphony has a budget of a trillion dollars and as long a period of development as they like.

thats the rational way of looking at things but as you know most of the posts in this thread are not rational in the first place :lol

I'm just wondering if Forza 4 will try to compete with GT5 (meaning add a shitload of stuff) or will simply go on their own and improve upon FM3.

I think the biggest thing stopping them now is storage, that had to use 2 DVD's this time and the content was about half GT4 was is terms of cars and tracks and so on, so I dont see how they are gonna solve that

 

[sechsterangriff]

If anything, I believe Forza 3 influenced GT5 by putting pressure on implementing more features. People seem to forget GT5 had planed release dates going back to 2009.
Not to mention Kaz saying he could launch the game anytime he wanted to.

 

[dalin80]

Not the coloured ones.

yes it has. Qual events usually.

 

[segarr]

This shit almost ain't fair. What company would allow someone to make a game with this much staff for this long other than Sony. Even MS must winch at the paysheet when looking at a project like this.

 

[travisbickle]

thats the rational way of looking at things but as you know most of the posts in this thread are not rational in the first place :lol

Rational?

GT5 was in development for an infinity years...budget of a trillion dollars

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

This shit almost ain't fair. What company would allow someone to make a game with this much staff for this long other than Sony. Even MS must winch at the paysheet when looking at a project like this.

It bears repeating: Turn10 have over double the staff numbers PD have.

 

[Amir0x]

Rational?

Hyperbole-for-effect, an extremely common device for making points! Derp derp!

The rational point that the device was making is "Polyphony was essentially given a blank check and as long a development period as they like, and there's no way the Forza devs can compete with that."

 

[spats]

So guys, who's winning?

 

[ULTROS!]

Rational?

Pretty sure Amir0x was using hyperbole.

GT5 was revealed last E3 2006 and later revealed that it costs $60m to develop.

 

[segarr]

It bears repeating: Turn10 have over double the staff numbers PD have.

Really? Damn, I guess PD is just that good then. They have been making these games for almost 15 years now though so they have the experience.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

So guys, who's winning?

Chinner or EmCeeGamr. Not quite sure which.

 

[spats]

Chinner or EmCeeGamr. Not quite sure which.

That's good news.

 

[KingDizzi]

it's no longer a comparison thread anymore. Gran Turismo 5 in its current incarnation has swept all the competition away. it's really not even remotely close anymore.

The developers of Forza can hardly really be blamed for that, though. GT5 was in development for an infinity years and has the accumulated knowledge and support of over a decade of Gran Turismo goodness.

Forza is still a good series but you can't compete when Polyphony has a budget of a trillion dollars and as long a period of development as they like.

I have to agree, the gulf between franchises has become pretty big now. PD are given a tremendous budget and for GT5 they were given a really long time to develop. PD have put themselves in that position though, Yoshida could have been pushing Kaz to release GT5 last year but all he would need to do is point at GT5 sales. That glorified demo has shipped near 5 million copies and 2 million for GT PSP on a platform with very weak software sales outside Japan. It must be mentioned however that Turn 10 have a fuck ton more employees than PD so unless Turn 10 employees are paid a rice-ball a day they must also be getting a more than decent budget.

If anything, I believe Forza 3 influenced GT5 by putting pressure on implementing more features. People seem to forget GT5 had planed release dates going back to 2009.
Not to mention Kaz saying he could launch the game anytime he wanted to.

Bullshit, what is so amazing Turn 10 have done which made PD delay the game? Weather, night racing etc are the big additions into GT5 and Turn 10 have done nothing such. Livery editor is a big thing in Forza games but PD did not bother so yeah what pressure? Serious question.

 

[Amir0x]

I have to agree, the gulf between franchises has become pretty big now. PD are given a tremendous budget and for GT5 they were given a really long time to develop. PD have put themselves in that position though, Yoshida could have been pushing Kaz to release GT5 last year but all he would need to do is point at GT5 sales. That glorified demo has shipped near 5 million copies and 2 million for GT PSP on a platform with very weak software sales outside Japan. It must be mentioned however that Turn 10 have a fuck ton more employees than PD so unless Turn 10 employees are paid a rice-ball a day they must also be getting a more than decent budget.

oh i'm not saying Forza has a low development budget (actually, I think it must be a pretty decent sized budget), it's just in a different stratosphere from Gran Turismo 5's budget. Actually, almost every game is :lol

 

[Metalmurphy]

If anything, I believe Forza 3 influenced GT5 by putting pressure on implementing more features. People seem to forget GT5 had planed release dates going back to 2009.
Not to mention Kaz saying he could launch the game anytime he wanted to.

You seem to forget that most of the stuff added was rumoured way before that, by either amar or some random Sony guy that we thought he didn't know what he was talking about, or even small hints by Kaz, pretty much all of it turned out to be true so yeah... I'm pretty sure they were going to implement it no matter what.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Chinner or EmCeeGamr. Not quite sure which.

bish is the biggest winner of them all, duh.

Actually, all of us who aren't particular to any one side and watching from the sidelines are all winners. :lol

 

[segarr]

You seem to forget that most of the stuff added was rumoured way before that, by either amar or some random Sony guy that we thought he didn't know what he was talking about, or even small hints by Kaz, pretty much all of it turned out to be true so yeah... I'm pretty sure they were going to implement it no matter what.

I think the series director himself said he was influenced by Forza in some interview. You can't make games in a vacuum that would just be needlessly ignorant.

 

[Ashes]

Hyperbole-for-effect, an extremely common device for making points! Derp derp!

The rational point that the device was making is "Polyphony was essentially given a blank check and as long a development period as they like, and there's no way the Forza devs can compete with that."

/yeah I think I agree with you. I do think they compete to a point. Turn 10 manges by outsourcing quite a bit of work, which Pd refuse to do for qualitative reasons. They also seem to have gotten licenses with Microsoft money that PD don't have, i.e porche.

Dev time and money is important, but on the levels that they directly compete, one developer carries the platform, in terms of quality, depth, breadth, and whatever other virtue you can throw at it.

Personality wise, I think its easier to prefer PD's more modest approach rather then Turn 10's exuberant self-confidence (or arrogance if you like), self acclaimed worthiness, and other such pr speak. It's one thing for Microsoft heads and Sony heads to to talk like that but I'm not a fan of when developers go like so about their business.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

I have to say, even though I contributed a bit to it, the talk about who influenced who and by how much is really bizarre. I don't think I've ever encountered it on gaf before, and I really don't know what it's meant to prove.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I have to say, even though I attributed a bit to it, the talk about who influenced who and by how much is really bizarre. I don't think I've ever encountered it on gaf before, and I really don't know what it's meant to prove.

That one side is superior to the other, duh.

 

[ULTROS!]

Did Polyphony have any interviews regarding their opinion towards Turn 10 and the FM series?

I know Turn 10 did regarding Polyphony and it was... :lol

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Did Polyphony have any interviews regarding their opinion towards Turn 10 and the FM series?

I know Turn 10 did regarding Polyphony and it was... :lol

i don't think so.


all we have regarding polyphony and forza are che's lies:

Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/turn-10-polyphony-checked-out-forza

 

[Amir0x]

jesus che really :lol

 

[ULTROS!]

Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3.

So much for stagnant. :lol

 

[Metalmurphy]

That's not a lie, they were genuinely taking notes

 

[Amir0x]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

 

[segarr]

What happened with che? Did he get caught in a lie?

 

[ULTROS!]

That kinda reminds me of the Forza vs. GT5 poll from CNET(?) and Turn 10 was advertising it and they were giving out a rare car if you've voted. Turns out that GT5 won the poll and some of their fans turned against them.

That was golden. :lol

 

[Metalmurphy]

What happened with che? Did he get caught in a lie?

Funny.

 

[Trickster]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

Doesn't he work at 343 industries now?

 

[Suzzopher]

Che is with 343 now isn't he?

 

[PjotrStroganov]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

Che doesn't work there anymore.

 

[agm2502]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

It wasn't just Che though it was Dan Greenawalt as well, saying how Forza 3 won't be surpassed visually and no one else can compare to how good there game is. The Forza devs brought all this ridicule on themselves for being extremely arrogant, much like Sony in 2005/2006, maybe the pr for there next game will be more humble. It will probably be more hyperbole over their Kinect integration and how no other sim lets you view your cars ike this etc.

 

[Amir0x]

oh i don't know, i don't actually follow the career of vapid game journalists-turned-embarrassing mouth piece.

 

[Senua]

i will admit that forza motorsport was probably better than GT4 but after the first forza everything went downhill

 

[Dead Prince]

It wasn't just Che though it was Dan Greenawalt as well, saying how Forza 3 won't be surpassed visually and no one else can compare to how good there game is. The Forza devs brought all this ridicule on themselves for being extremely arrogant, much like Sony in 2005/2006, maybe the pr for there next game will be more humble. It will probably be more hyperbole over their Kinect integration and how no other sim lets you view your cars ike this etc.

it's like being arrogant is a new thing with microsoft. they've been acting like that way too much lately.

 

[segarr]

T10 are American for sure aha.

 

[theignoramus]

That che quote is a thing of beauty. should be preserved as a historical artifact.:lol :lol

 

[Salacious Crumb]

Man, T10 are a bunch of dicks. Now I get why some people hate Forza...

 

[Guy Legend]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

Greenwalt was worse. The trash talk arrogance came from the top.

Which is why its more funny to see GT5 so far beyond Forza.

 

[Suzzopher]

Sony PR must be so glad that the game can stand up on it's without any trash talking. Turn 10 have been totally owned with not a word said:lol

 

[segarr]

Just to go on the flipside to counter the hate, T10 came an extremely long way in a relativity short period of time. The first Forza was 30fps for crissakes. Now they even have a cockpit view in when no one thought they could do that. Of course, that hyped themselves up a bit so they got a little cocky. It was E3 too and Sony is always talking shit at E3 so maybe MS thought they should as well.

 

[Melfice7]

This shit almost ain't fair. What company would allow someone to make a game with this much staff for this long other than Sony. Even MS must winch at the paysheet when looking at a project like this.

MS is more concerned with spending millions on marketing, and PD 'only' has a staff of 140

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

yamauchi on forza 3

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091103/SEMA/911039983

Have you played Forza Motorsport 3?

I was watching the guys at our company trying it out in the office. I tried it a little bit. It's very similar in a lot of aspects to Gran Turismo, but some basic parts of the game are very different from Gran Turismo. It's a little bit different from a simulator and you can feel that when you drive it.

translation; forza is arcade slanted trash - and he's right.

 

[segarr]

MS is more concerned with spending millions on marketing, and PD 'only' has a staff of 140

No, Sony markets too. "It Does Everything" They actually fund games and buy studios and exclusive DLC as well though whereas MS does not seem interested in that stuff anymore.

 

[Amir0x]

yamauchi on forza 3

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091103/SEMA/911039983

see they could have chose to be all mean about it and shit on it from their high perch but they didn't

take notes, Turn 10

 

[XiaNaphryz]

i will admit that forza motorsport was probably better than GT4 but after the first forza everything went downhill

Wait, are you saying that Forza 2 and 3 were worse than the first one?

translation; forza is arcade slanted trash - and he's right.

Plenty of diehard PC simheads thought otherwise, and they normally scoff at any console offering GT included.

 

[Flavius]

Just to go on the flipside to counter the hate, T10 came an extremely long way in a relativity short period of time. The first Forza was 30fps for crissakes. Now they even have a cockpit view in when no one thought they could do that. Of course, that hyped themselves up a bit so they got a little cocky. It was E3 too and Sony is always talking shit at E3 so maybe MS thought they should as well.

Helps when you're borrowing tech from a better dev team aka Bizarre Creations.

Oh Turn10...you so crazy.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Sony wins here. Give both developers 6 fucking years and we probably see similar visual results.

I've not really played a Forza game, but i've been waitin on GT5 for a long time. Glad the wait will end soon. But comparing these games at this point seems almost disingenuous. Twice the development cycle SHOULD mean some tangible benefits. A 5 year-old understands that.

 

[spwolf]

Hyperbole-for-effect, an extremely common device for making points! Derp derp!

The rational point that the device was making is "Polyphony was essentially given a blank check and as long a development period as they like, and there's no way the Forza devs can compete with that."

well reason they were given blank check is because their games sell like crazy .

Any other developer which such successful franchise would also get same amount of funding from competent publisher.