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[Lagspike_exe]

Plenty of diehard PC simheads thought otherwise, and they normally scoff at any console offering GT included.

Diehard PC simheads know the best!

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Diehard PC simheads know the best!

That's what's missing from this thread - we need the master race in here to join in on the shenanigans with their multi-thousand dollar cockpit setups as they prep for their local track day in their M5s with whatever fancy sim of the month they're currently into.

 

[segarr]

Is Forza 3 really arcade trash? I don't play sims but I was under the impression this thread was about graphics. Do GT cars still ping pong around corners or have they one-upped T10 in the racing department as well? "Racing" is an interesting word I used btw because I've seen talk that GT isn't really racing, it's A.I. cars sticking to a line around the track whereas Forza actually will race with you. Is this correct?

Edit: I'm out of date with these fanboy wars because I generally stopped caring a couple years ago.

 

[KHarvey16]

Diehard PC simheads know the best!

Of all the things to over criticize, the driving model might be the riskiest. It's obvious the person isn't being serious when they do it unless they're extremely good at it.

 

[TheSeks]

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

Considering he left, I think Turn10 doesn't give a shit.

Spoiler

However, I think the rest of the world wishes Che would shut the fuck up and go hide in a hole for the rest of his life

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That said: Since Che's gone I'm actually giving Turn10 the time of day, provided they don't ram their head up their ass again with the "DURR HURR FORZA IS THE BESTEST!" smug-shit-eating-grin bullshit they did during Forza 3 which turned me off it.

Wait, are you saying that Forza 2 and 3 were worse than the first one?

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If he is, I'd agree

. Driving Physics in 2 were like driving on ice cubes and 3 was close to 1, but not exactly "right."

Like I said before, 1's physics for the time were insane. Driving point to point races was like actually driving the car. I'm not sure if getting an X-box wheel would make it 20x better, but it had the best physics on a controller I've played on a "sim"/racer yet.

Maybe it was the X-box controller, though. *shrug*

 

[agm2502]

Sony wins here. Give both developers 6 fucking years and we probably see similar visual results.

I've not really played a Forza game, but i've been waitin on GT5 for a long time. Glad the wait will end soon. But comparing these games at this point seems almost disingenuous. Twice the development cycle SHOULD mean some tangible benefits. A 5 year-old understands that.

But the Forza devs thought it was ok to compare itself with GT games etc. You can't expect people to stop comparing now. Why didn't the Forza devs say that they didn't have enough time to implement weather etc and it will come in the future, the GT Devs don't have a problem saying that they didn;t have time for stuff.

 

[Amir0x]

But the Forza devs thought it was ok to compare itself with GT games etc. You can't expect people to stop comparing now. Why didn't the Forza devs say that they didn't have enough time to implement weather etc and it will come in the future, the GT Devs don't have a problem saying that they didn;t have time for stuff.

I mean I agree, they asked for it...

...but I mean, at this point, the thread serves little purpose. We KNOW the answer now.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Is Forza 3 really arcade trash. I don't play sims but I was under the impression this thread was about graphics. Do GT cars still ping pong around corners or have they one-upped T10 in the racing department as well? "Racing" is an interesting word I used btw because I've seen talk that GT isn't really racing, it's A.I. cars sticking to a line around the track whereas Forza actually will race with you. Is this correct.

Have you ever watched racing? Because there's a reason why cars stick to a racing line by-and-large. The fact that in Forza the cars are scattered across the road, jostling side-by-side is not exactly evidence of its racing credentials. At least that's what I've experienced of it. Maybe someone can correct me.

 

[Trickster]

I mean I agree, they asked for it...

...but I mean, at this point, the thread serves little purpose. We KNOW the answer now.

True, but this topic was created over a year ago when we thought both games were gonna release close to each other.

 

[phosphor112]

Plenty of diehard PC simheads thought otherwise, and they normally scoff at any console offering GT included.

This diehard PC "simhead" thinks Forza is all sorts of Arcade. I'm a huge GT fan because GT is what got me into racing sims when I was young (that, and the "GT charm" can't be recreated anywhere else). I played GT1 and GT2, and then I discovered the plethora of sims coming out. I went to GPL and basically progressed through there.

If you're trying to quote Inside Sim Racing, they even admit, they scored Forza 3 way too high, and there are a lot of physics quirks.

 

[segarr]

The main thing right now is that T10 had the AUDACITY to say Forza 3 is good; better than GT even, at E3. Is such scorn of them really justified because of that? Typical marketing posturing common at press events? If so, get over it.

 

[Amir0x]

True, but this topic was created over a year ago when we thought both games were gonna release close to each other.

exactly!

I don't mind or anything I just find it amusing that there's anything left to compare at all. It's so far beyond Forza 3 at this point that it's almost sad whenever they are compared :lol

 

[Flavius]

True, but this topic was created over a year ago when we thought both games were gonna release close to each other.

Wait, you mean people really thought Yamauchi would do that???

 

[Melfice7]

Is Forza 3 really arcade trash? I don't play sims but I was under the impression this thread was about graphics. Do GT cars still ping pong around corners or have they one-upped T10 in the racing department as well? "Racing" is an interesting word I used btw because I've seen talk that GT isn't really racing, it's A.I. cars sticking to a line around the track whereas Forza actually will race with you. Is this correct?

Edit: I'm out of date with these fanboy wars because I generally stopped caring a couple years ago.

 

[segarr]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

 

[phosphor112]

True, but this topic was created over a year ago when we thought both games were gonna release close to each other.

1 year is still relatively close. Especially if you consider the fact Forza (and even GT fans) compared FM3 to GT5p, which is 2 years older than FM3.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

What if God came down from the heavens tomorrow and proclaimed he did not, in fact, exist? Now that would be epic.

 

[Snuggles]

Both games suck.

Mario Kart 4 life.

 

[watership]

Wait, you mean people really thought Yamauchi would do that???

The GT thread at the time thought it was coming out. Journalists did too.

 

[Metalmurphy]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

Pretty sure Forza 4 will have weather. We'll just have to see how good it'll be.

 

[ULTROS!]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

What if Polyphony revealed GT6 the day after tomorrow and it blew away FM4? That would be epic.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Both games suck.

Mario Kart 4 life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVOnT36Qw4

 

[shwimpy]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

Doubtful, since they're hard at work trying to figure out how to accelerate using Kinect.

 

[theignoramus]

well reason they were given blank check is because their games sell like crazy .

Any other developer which such successful franchise would also get same amount of funding from competent publisher.

Nah, it seems to me Sony takes risks in a way MS doesnt.For example, MS would never have done what Sony did for GG after KZ1, MS would have packed up, then fucked off

 

[segarr]

What if God came down from the heavens tomorrow and proclaimed he did not, in fact, exist? Now that would be epic.

An epic of epic epicness.

 

[Flavius]

The main thing right now is that T10 had the AUDACITY to say Forza 3 is good; better than GT even, at E3. Is such scorn of them really justified because of that? Typical marketing posturing common at press events? If so, get over it.

No, it isn't typical marketing puffery. In fact, as a working professional, I find it to be a particularly sleazy, disrespectful tactic.

And as you can see here (and elsewhere), this shit can absolutely backfire on you. They'd have been far better off letting the product speak for itself.

 

[Snuggles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVOnT36Qw4

This is awesome. Screw all the useless motion toys, I want THIS is my living room. I would need nothing else.

 

[Y2Kev]

Nah, it seems to me Sony takes risks in a way MS doesnt.For example, MS would never have done what Sony did for GG after KZ1, MS would have packed up, then fucked off

EXPLAIN BLOODWAKE THEN, FANBOY

 

[TheSeks]

What if T10 revealed Forza 4 tomorrow and it blew away GT5? That would be epic.

Too bad that won't happen as they're busy letting you "OOO-AHHH" your car with a $150 add-on

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and I don't mean a driving wheel

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[Trickster]

1 year is still relatively close. Especially if you consider the fact Forza (and even GT fans) compared FM3 to GT5p, which is 2 years older than FM3.

FM3 was made in around 17 months. A year is a long time.

Too bad that won't happen as they're busy letting you "OOO-AHHH" your car with a $150 add-on

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and I don't mean a driving wheel

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For some reason I have a hard time believing that the entirety of the T10 studio is spending their time making what looks like a kinect application for FM3.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

Nah, it seems to me Sony takes risks in a way MS doesnt.For example, MS would never have done what Sony did for GG after KZ1, MS would have packed up, then fucked off

I think Rare might have left a bad taste in their mouth.

 

[Flavius]

Pretty sure Forza 4 will have weather. We'll just have to see how good it'll be.

No worries, PGR4 had weather...ergo Forza 4 will have weather.

 

[Y2Kev]

I think Rare might have left a bad taste in their mouth.

Well, no surprise. After MS bought Rare, they needed a napkin.

 

[anadwin]

T10's arrogance has been well documented, but didn't Garnett Lee make a ridiculous comment about the GT series becoming irrelevant after F3 was released?

 

[TheSeks]

For some reason I have a hard time believing that the entirety of the T10 studio is spending their time making what looks like a kinect application for FM3.

Considering that was all they did (showed off the Kinnect applications) at E3, it's doubtful. It's MS after all, the people that dictate what Rare should do ("NO YOU CAN'T MAKE A PLATFORMER. MAKE US A KITTY PETTING APPLICATION FOR OUR ADD-ON!"), they can dictate Turn10 to put resources into making Kinnect applications look good and worthwhile.

That isn't to say that I'm not hoping they aren't improving on FM3 and getting the physics/other features right, but who knows at this point of the game. Doubtful FM4 will blow "GT5 away" but it's good to have competition for it.

 

[Baha]

T10's arrogance has been well documented, but didn't Garnett Lee make a ridiculous comment about the GT series becoming irrelevant after F3 was released?

Yeah he makes those from time to time, but at least he can admit when he's wrong.

 

[segarr]

No worries, PGR4 had weather...ergo Forza 4 will have weather.

T10 did take a lot of stuff from that series. Hell, they practically built their franchise off of it from what I can tell. Now that Activision owns Bizarre and they're just wasting away, (they'll be dead after their Bond game bombs, Blur already did), what will T10 do? MS should have bought Bizarre. You know Sony would have if they made a game for them and MS probably would have done it in the past but they got cheap all of a sudden. Fire Ballmer.

 

[TheFatOne]

T10's arrogance has been well documented, but didn't Garnett Lee make a ridiculous comment about the GT series becoming irrelevant after F3 was released?

I don't think it was Garnett. I believe it was Patrick Klepek.

 

[Metalmurphy]

T10's arrogance has been well documented, but didn't Garnett Lee make a ridiculous comment about the GT series becoming irrelevant after F3 was released?

He claimed GT5 was gonna be HUGE on the Bonus Round, so I don't think it was him.

 

[cgcg]

FM3 was made in around 17 months. A year is a long time.



For some reason I have a hard time believing that the entirety of the T10 studio is spending their time making what looks like a kinect application for FM3.

No wonder it looked like Forza 2.

 

[Senua]

Wait, are you saying that Forza 2 and 3 were worse than the first one?


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Yes, yes i am

 

[Tom Penny]

7000+ replies about 2 games that don't don't look vastly superior or inferior to each other. Good stuff.

 

[TheSeks]

Yes, yes i am

*high-five*

 

[Truespeed]

when someone makes a comment like that, it's kinda hard not to laugh at what actually ended up happening

i wonder if Turn 10 wishes che would shut the fuck up

I think they would rather muzzle Greenwalt. Didn't this guy say he didn't want to slap around Kaz?

 

[Flavius]

T10 did take a lot of stuff from that series. Hell, they practically built their franchise off of it from what I can tell. Now that Activision owns Bizarre and they're just wasting away, (they'll be dead after their Bond game bombs, Blur already did), what will T10 do? MS should have bought Bizarre. You know Sony would have if they made a game for them and MS probably would have done it in the past but they got cheap all of a sudden. Fire Ballmer.

Actually, I believe (really, really hope) BC finds their niche over there. They're fantastic developers, and their contribution to the success of the Xbox always seems downplayed in comparison to the juggernaut that is Halo.

That said...yep, yep. Let's see: we all know BC and Turn10 were "sharing" assets and tech back in the day. If you played both regularly, you know who got what. Did PGR4 play or look vastly different from its predecessors?

Hmm...

 

[Wazzim]

well reason they were given blank check is because their games sell like crazy .

Any other developer which such successful franchise would also get same amount of funding from competent publisher.

Well I don't know, even the first one had a 5/6 year development cycle (with 0 copies sold) according to Kaz.

 

[Truespeed]

I think it's a bit unfair to compare the 2 systems, they're both very different internally.

Both can produce amazing visuals.

The reason U2 looked so fucking good and had such a short dev-time was because the engine was largely untouched from the previous game.

I'm really not too sure about that. That's like saying the difference between UC and UC2 were just the assets. The evolution of the UC engine is just as drastic as the difference between UC and UC2. The mere fact that they're triple buffering and have moved a lot more of their systems to the Cell should tell you that the engine was overhauled in accordance to the demands placed on it.

 

[DuckRacer]

FM3 was made in around 17 months. A year is a long time.

29 months actually, unless they didn't start FM3's development until a full year passed after FM2's release.

edit: Bizarre will be working on map packs for Sledgehammer's 2011 Call of Duty, bet on it. Activision bought the studio because they wanted a premiere racing franchise to go against Need for Speed, and we all know how that ended...

 

[Gek54]

I think they would rather muzzle Greenwalt. Didn't this guy say he didn't want to slap around Kaz?

Didnt all this start after Forza 2? I thought I remember Turn10 having a respectable amount of modesty before they started Don Kinging Forza 3.

 

[Flavius]

29 months actually, unless they didn't start FM3's development until a full year passed after FM2's release.

edit: Bizarre will be working on map packs for Sledgehammer's 2011 Call of Duty, bet on it. Activision bought the studio because they wanted a premiere racing franchise to go against Need for Speed, and we all know how that ended...

Am I going to hell for thinking a Call of Duty-themed racer might be kinda' cool?